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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On June 09 2015 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote: US ran a clinic on how to finish a game you're winning. GG USA! USA! USA! Yes they played much better as the game went on. Team looked really shaky beside Hope Solo for a bit though. Good to get 3 points | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8715 Posts
not sure if japan has this problem but despite their occasional big talents they never seem to get it together for internationals anyway. also, i dont wanna make this thread go another 5 pages about goat discussion, but messi is the greatest of all time imo. put into context the average skill of players in the current era + being able to eclipse a beast like ronaldo (whom without messi would probably get included in goat discussions too), you just cant take that away from him. the wc argument is pretty shite because of the amount of games played and the fact that its a tournament. too easy to lose one game and get knocked out despite being the best team. besides, trying to carry your country is much harder now when theres so many world class players in every team. in zidane's era you didnt have multiple countries fielding 11 world class players. nowadays you have teams like germany/spain which are completely stacked with world class players and even they arent guaranteed to win. expecting messi to go universe-class and carry argentina through a tournament is just being unfair. that being said, i still dont think its impossible for messi since argentina still has very good players as well. next wc we may see messi actually lift the trophy since other powerhouse teams will be seeing some big names retire by then. | ||
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
 It is fun because "Marca" said some months ago that he had already a contract with PSG. Oh, Spanish newspapers.by the way, I'm happy because two classics la liga teams come back, Betis and Sporting. I hope that Getafe go to the second this year. On June 09 2015 15:05 evilfatsh1t wrote: also, i dont wanna make this thread go another 5 pages about goat discussion, but messi is the greatest of all time imo. put into context the average skill of players in the current era + being able to eclipse a beast like ronaldo (whom without messi would probably get included in goat discussions too), you just cant take that away from him. the wc argument is pretty shite because of the amount of games played and the fact that its a tournament. too easy to lose one game and get knocked out despite being the best team. besides, trying to carry your country is much harder now when theres so many world class players in every team. in zidane's era you didnt have multiple countries fielding 11 world class players. nowadays you have teams like germany/spain which are completely stacked with world class players and even they arent guaranteed to win. expecting messi to go universe-class and carry argentina through a tournament is just being unfair. that being said, i still dont think its impossible for messi since argentina still has very good players as well. next wc we may see messi actually lift the trophy since other powerhouse teams will be seeing some big names retire by then. Perfectly said. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
WEST HAM APPOINT SLAVEN BILIC AS MANAGER Slaven Bilic has been appointed as the new manager of West Ham on a three-year contract to replace Sam Allardyce. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
Mostly because how good is a team is only relative to their "era", even if X team is worse than say, Germany or Spain nowadays, X team was still stacked to the particular era that they were playing. You cant really compare how stacked are teams nowadays to other times because those same teams, while not at the same level, had the same "stack-ness" to their relative era. I even can agree that Germany is super strong nowadays, that doesnt change the fact that Germany was super strong in the 90', which one was better ? impossible to say | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On June 09 2015 06:44 Faruko wrote: When China decides to take football seriously we will be fucked. i mean if Uruguay can do it and that country has more cows than people why not China ?... what are the chances of NOT FINDING 22 good football players out of 1.400.000.000 Because a lot of things needs to come together to get a good player. You need boys to play a lot starting from the age of 5. You need facilities, fields, training schools, and opponents. You need youth trainers to be able to identify talents and send them to higher competition. Then you need the national team to pick the right players, focus on winning, etc. China gets derails in multiple stages. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28699 Posts
Then lets imagine now, germany or spain are comprised of players with an average rating of 85. To be equally as dominant as Maradona was in 1986, a player would have to be at 100/100 - the highest possibly achievable skill. Obviously these numbers are made up. But the argument for why it's harder (impossible?) for individuals to be equally dominant now as the best players were 30 years ago (and thus also why Messi is so god damn impressive, because he kinda is) holds true. In addition, we can imagine that with increased professionalization of the sport, a lot more players achieve their own personal peak ability. Like until the 90s kinda, you had those players who were just complete naturals, who never trained as hard as they could, so players who were both huge natural talents and hard and efficient trainers would become really good compared to the rest of the pack. So where before, maybe Spain would have say, 5 talented players that actually hit their peak ability under their contemporary training regimen, now Spain has 30. Considering it's a team sport, that means that where before, they'd have weak spots, now there are no weak spots - in fact they have 2+ world class players in every position. This is basically an argument that there are now more world class players than before - which makes sense if you regard world class as something you become defined as if your ability is high enough (rather than if you state that somewhere between top 3 and top 10 in each position is world class - in which case the number is static. ) The idea that it's harder for an individual to dominate now than before imo is not hard to make, and the 'teams nowadays are more stacked' is part of the reason. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On June 09 2015 06:44 Faruko wrote: When China decides to take football seriously we will be fucked. i mean if Uruguay can do it and that country has more cows than people why not China ?... what are the chances of NOT FINDING 22 good football players out of 1.400.000.000 this is the same shit everyone said about china in basketball. guess what, they've only had yao ming in the past what, 30 years that was even an all star level in the NBA. now im not sure if basketball is a bigger sport than football in china or not, but i know its big. | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
http://www.juventus.com/juve/en/news/khedira signs for juventus Also John Carver was sacked by Newcastle. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/11662671/John-Carver-sacked-by-Newcastle-United.html | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On June 09 2015 06:44 Faruko wrote: When China decides to take football seriously we will be fucked. i mean if Uruguay can do it and that country has more cows than people why not China ?... what are the chances of NOT FINDING 22 good football players out of 1.400.000.000 Surely Uruguay is the perfect counter to the idea that you are expressing. Success in international football has a lot to do with a country's football culture and that goes far beyond simply taking it seriously. Having a lot of money or a large player pool is not a guarantee for success in the same way that having the opposite is not a guarantee for failure. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8715 Posts
On June 09 2015 21:47 Faruko wrote: The "teams nowadays are pretty stacked" argument its pretty terrible though Mostly because how good is a team is only relative to their "era", even if X team is worse than say, Germany or Spain nowadays, X team was still stacked to the particular era that they were playing. You cant really compare how stacked are teams nowadays to other times because those same teams, while not at the same level, had the same "stack-ness" to their relative era. I even can agree that Germany is super strong nowadays, that doesnt change the fact that Germany was super strong in the 90', which one was better ? impossible to say yeah but we can say a particular era is better than the other. so if a team is good relative to the current era, and the current era is better than zidane's era, then said current team is better than zidane's era's team. i dont think anyone here can honestly disagree that players now are way better than players 10-20 years ago. also, germany now > germany in the 90s. the only way the 90s team would have a chance is if the ref made calls based on what it was like in the 90s. even then, the current german team would probably toy with the 90s one. techniques and tactics as well as body science has just developed too much | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
On June 10 2015 01:54 ZapRoffo wrote: France vs. England women could be good. Though France is considered significantly stronger. Like in Man football | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On June 10 2015 04:29 Twisted wrote: lol only in women's football because in men's football both players would cry murder and lie there for five minutes You can say what you want about women's football but they dive way less | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
On June 10 2015 00:36 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah but we can say a particular era is better than the other. so if a team is good relative to the current era, and the current era is better than zidane's era, then said current team is better than zidane's era's team. i dont think anyone here can honestly disagree that players now are way better than players 10-20 years ago. also, germany now > germany in the 90s. the only way the 90s team would have a chance is if the ref made calls based on what it was like in the 90s. even then, the current german team would probably toy with the 90s one. techniques and tactics as well as body science has just developed too much technique i woudn't say so, i think it's timeless and comes down to natural ability + time spent with a football. sport science/tactics have improved, but the game is totally different now anyway. if you watch games from the 90s it's clear that the modern game is completely rigged towards attackers - overly physical challenges even if the ball is played = foul, insta red cards, modified offside rule, no more free fouls before a card comes out. plus with the diving, it's hard for defenders to risk doing anything. so it's kind of hard to compare eras when in one era people are trying to break Maradona's legs, and in the other the defenders are scared to put a foot close to Messi... | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On June 10 2015 05:29 haitike wrote: I'm watching Spain Costa Rica, and that wet artificial turf is terrible. The ball stops all the time. Artificial turf is just terrible flat out, although it get's dwarved by this stadium. How can you play this game in a 60k stadium. Every time they pan out you see nothing but empty seats. | ||
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