On May 26 2015 20:59 Greg_J wrote: One thing I will say about Benitez is his problem seems to be that he can only be successful if a club has money. Real Madrid definitely have money so it wouldn't be entirely surprising if he wasn’t completely useless at Real Madrid.
Only been successful when you have money sounds really derogatory and I guess it is. But it's not easy to spend money successfully in football. My previous post in this thread was lamenting Man City, Spurs and Liverpool’s awful spending and buying of multiple useless players for +£20million a pop.
Only been successful when you have money is definitely not great. But knowing what to do with the money when you have it is a skill in its self.
Well his success at Valencia had nothing to do with money. He pretty much left because they didnt give him any money. He did have a strong existing squad to play with though. Cupers team made back to back CL finals when he got it,
To be honest that's a bit before my time. I didn't really follow football back then and certainly not Spanish football (I'm still not very knowledgeable about Spanish football). It doesn't sound like a great argument though. Rafael Benítez is a good manager because despite a decade of been awful everywhere he goes he once had a successful season ten years ago. That's like saying Felix Magath is a good manager because he once had a good season with Stuttgart.
Well first of all. Felix Magath is a good manager.
And the point wasnt that he was a good manager. I disagree that he is someone who rely's on money. Totally different things.
The league Benitez won had Real Madrids Galactico a weakened but competitive Barcelona heavy.
Depo at the peak of their powers (Like thrashing the powerful Milan team 4-0 in the CL peak)
There were other teams that were quite strong aswell with home grown players like Sociedad (Alonso was captain) and Vigo (with their russians and galacians)
You needed to be a good manager to win that league. Not once but twice in 3 years.
His CL win with Pool too wasnt exactly money funded. He pretty much turned Carragher into the player he was and his only real signings were Luis Garcia and Alonso. Add to that Gerrard wonderstrikes and a possible ghost goal and Vladimir Smicer and Dudeks only claims to fame and voila Mourinho recipe for a CL win complete.
And if you think about it. He hasnt really been aweful. He has won stuff plenty of it. He's not an elite manager and certainly not better than Carlo for me. But he isnt bad.
But I digress. The only hypothesis I was really disagreeing as I said earlier was that there is little evidence to suggest that he has needed alot of money to be successful. More often quite the opposite in my experience.
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Also on more positive news FIFA officials getting arrested. Hopefully it's not just scapegoats and gg
Hero in World War 2 in the Pacific The Battle of The Coral Sea and triumphantly marched back to liberate the Philippians after he promised he would return. However just 5 or so years latter he was wanting premision to bomb Shengyang and Harbin and expand the Korean War from protecting South Korea to full open warfare against the worlds largest Communist nation and he also asked permission to stop the Chinese advance in Korea by creating a nuclear waste land between the Chinese and NATO lines. He just turned batshit crazy and seemed determined to force a nuclear war between the West and the Communist nations.
) of the football world. He was once a hero but has clearly just gone insane.
I stand by my comment that Rafa Benitez has been useless everywhere he’s been since he left Valencia. That's not even controversial.
If they replace Carletto with Benitez, this will most likely mean no trophies for at least one more season and the end of Perez's rule as a president. I guess it's not that bad for the long run. We just have to tank two more seasons.
On May 27 2015 15:41 Greg_J wrote: Felix Magath is the Douglas MacArthur (+ Show Spoiler +
Hero in World War 2 in the Pacific The Battle of The Coral Sea and triumphantly marched back to liberate the Philippians after he promised he would return. However just 5 or so years latter he was wanting premision to bomb Shengyang and Harbin and expand the Korean War from protecting South Korea to full open warfare against the worlds largest Communist nation and he also asked permission to stop the Chinese advance in Korea by creating a nuclear waste land between the Chinese and NATO lines. He just turned batshit crazy and seemed determined to force a nuclear war between the West and the Communist nations.
) of the football world. He was once a hero but has clearly just gone insane.
I stand by my comment that Rafa Benitez has been useless everywhere he’s been since he left Valencia. That's not even controversial.
Ehh well he's won stuff so useless is a bit harsh. I'm no fan but I'd say there are plenty of useless managers and I wouldn't put him in that category.
Either way the point remains he isn't better or worse with money than the next guy.
On May 27 2015 15:49 Pr0wler wrote: If they replace Carletto with Benitez, this will most likely mean no trophies for at least one more season and the end of Perez's rule as a president. I guess it's not that bad for the long run. We just have to tank two more seasons.
Sorry bro but Perez is not going anywhere. Real is a democratic club in name only. The criteria for just running for presidency is being a club member for 20+ years and an absurd bank guarantee at an individual level to cover the costs of running the club. I think they did this a like2-3 years back ? I forget, when he got back control he was in it for the long haul.
There is probably like no one who qualifies for that at this time or for a while and as the club gets bigger the costs will become increasingly stupider.
On May 27 2015 15:41 Greg_J wrote: Felix Magath is the Douglas MacArthur (+ Show Spoiler +
Hero in World War 2 in the Pacific The Battle of The Coral Sea and triumphantly marched back to liberate the Philippians after he promised he would return. However just 5 or so years latter he was wanting premision to bomb Shengyang and Harbin and expand the Korean War from protecting South Korea to full open warfare against the worlds largest Communist nation and he also asked permission to stop the Chinese advance in Korea by creating a nuclear waste land between the Chinese and NATO lines. He just turned batshit crazy and seemed determined to force a nuclear war between the West and the Communist nations.
) of the football world. He was once a hero but has clearly just gone insane.
I stand by my comment that Rafa Benitez has been useless everywhere he’s been since he left Valencia. That's not even controversial.
Ehh well he's won stuff so useless is a bit harsh. I'm no fan but I'd say there are plenty of useless managers and I wouldn't put him in that category.
Either way the point remains he isn't better or worse with money than the next guy.
On May 27 2015 15:49 Pr0wler wrote: If they replace Carletto with Benitez, this will most likely mean no trophies for at least one more season and the end of Perez's rule as a president. I guess it's not that bad for the long run. We just have to tank two more seasons.
Sorry bro but Perez is not going anywhere. Real is a democratic club in name only. The criteria for just running for presidency is being a club member for 20+ years and an absurd bank guarantee at an individual level to cover the costs of running the club. I think they did this a like2-3 years back ? I forget, when he got back control he was in it for the long haul.
There is probably like no one who qualifies for that at this time or for a while and as the club gets bigger the costs will become increasingly stupider.
It's 20 years as a Socio and 15% of the club's budget as guarantee. I doubt that Perez is the only one of the socios, that can pay that amount of money. Even if that doesn't happen, nothing prevents the members to change the rules, if Perez fails completely. Three years ago he was in strong position, things can change quickly. And yes, Real Madrid is a democratic club. This is exactly how democracy works.
On May 26 2015 17:57 sneirac wrote: Let the discussions continue!
On the so-called “triple punishment”, the executive, following a proposal from the FIFA President, agreed that there would be no amendment to the Disciplinary Code for the time being.
"As leaders of FIFA, soccer’s global governing body, gathered for their annual meeting, Swiss law enforcement officials arrived unannounced at the Baur au Lac hotel, an elegant five-star property with views of the Alps and Lake Zurich. The arrests were made at the request of the United States Justice Department, which brought charges in the Eastern District of New York, based in Brooklyn, according to law enforcement officials.
Prosecutors planned to unseal an indictment soon against more than 10 officials, not all of whom are in Zurich, three law enforcement officials said. The charges include wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering."
Hahaha! Finally but why does it take USA to do this why isn't any European law enforcement agency doing an investigation too. Im pretty sure that all the corruption hasn't just happened in America's be it north or south! Oh well thats 6 less idiots to be able to vote i assume on Thursday?
Six soccer officials, including some high-ranking members of world governing-body FIFA, were arrested by Swiss police on Wednesday and detained pending extradition to the United States.
The arrests were made shortly after a dawn at a Zurich hotel where FIFA officials are staying ahead of this week's FIFA presidential election.
The Swiss Federal Office of Justice (FOJ) released a statement saying the six officials, who were not formally named, were suspected by U.S. investigators of having received or paid bribes totaling millions of dollars.
The FOJ also confirmed that FIFA president Sepp Blatter was not among those arrested.
"The US Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of New York is investigating these individuals on suspicion of the acceptance of bribes and kickbacks between the early 1990s and the present day," the statement said.
"The bribery suspects -- representatives of sports media and sports promotion firms -- are alleged to have been involved in schemes to make payments to the soccer functionaries -- delegates of FIFA and other functionaries of FIFA sub-organizations -- totaling more than US$100 million."
The New York Times, citing anonymous law enforcement officials, said the U.S. federal charges include racketeering, money laundering and wire fraud and span two decades of misconduct in soccer's world governing body.
More than 10 officials were expected to be indicted, but not all were in Zurich, the newspaper reported.
Most of the officials are in Switzerland for the FIFA Congress, where Blatter faces a challenge from Jordan's Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein in a presidential election on Friday when the Swiss administrator will attempt to secure a fifth term at the helm.
FIFA did not make any immediate comment on the arrests.
The New York Times said more than a dozen plain-clothed Swiss law enforcement officials arrived at Zurich's Baur au Lac hotel early on Wednesday, took keys from the registration desk and headed up to the rooms.
CONCACAF FOCUS
One FIFA official was led by the authorities from his room to a side-door exit of the hotel, the Times said, adding that officials from the body's powerful executive committee were being targeted.
"We're struck by just how long this went on for and how it touched nearly every part of what FIFA did," the Times quoted an unnamed law enforcement official as saying.
"It just seemed to permeate every element of the federation and was just their way of doing business. It seems like this corruption was institutionalized."
The Times said much of the enquiry was focused on the CONCACAF region, which governs soccer in the North America, Central America and the Caribbean.
The confederation's former boss Jack Warner was regularly dogged by accusations of corruption before he resigned in 2011, putting an end to investigations of the Trinidadian.
Prosecutors expected to announce the case at a news conference at the Brooklyn U.S. attorney's office, which is leading the investigation on Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal said in a separate report.
U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey and Internal Revenue Service criminal chief Richard Weber were expected to appear in Brooklyn to announce the case, the WSJ said.
The reports offer a fresh blow to the credibility of FIFA, which has suffered repeated accusations of wrongdoing over the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, which were awarded to Qatar and Russia respectively.
FIFA appointed an independent investigator to look into the allegations and though a summary of his report found some wrongdoing on the part of the Qatari and Russian bid committees, FIFA's ethics judge concluded it was not enough to question the entire process.
The investigator, former attorney Michael Garcia, subsequently resigned from his role in December after criticizing the handling of his report.
Damian Collins, the British MP who founded the reform group New FIFA Now, said the news was hugely significant for FIFA and could have a massive impact on the governing body.
"The chickens are finally coming home to roost and this sounds like a hugely significant development for FIFA," he told Reuters by telephone.
"It proves that Sepp Blatter's promises over the last few years to look into corruption at FIFA have not materialized and because he has totally failed to do this, it has been left to an outside law enforcement agency to do the job and take action."
Yeah its to that point that no one even cares because they dont think it changes. Im still naive and believe it will change though haha. Be hilarious if like 50% of FIFA gets arrested leaving 50% left and Blatter loses or even worst Mr Figo might have won that way
I just hope they will rat out on Blatter (and Platini, maybe even Beckenbauer) for reduced punishment. I really hope they get many big names and overall many operatives. And I hope they go to jail for many years. Thanks USA.
On May 27 2015 17:59 Pandemona wrote: Yeah its to that point that no one even cares because they dont think it changes. Im still naive and believe it will change though haha. Be hilarious if like 50% of FIFA gets arrested leaving 50% left and Blatter loses or even worst Mr Figo might have won that way
The only way anything chances is if Blatter is arrested and he would still be elected until he is sentenced. Ten people changes nothing, and if FIFA is smart they will do nothing.
This press conference that is going on i cant hear due to at work would love someone to sum it up. Chat is to much trolls i dont know what to believe. Also how come Blatter isn't leading this? Did he get arrested :3
On May 27 2015 18:22 Pandemona wrote: This press conference that is going on i cant hear due to at work would love someone to sum it up. Chat is to much trolls i dont know what to believe. Also how come Blatter isn't leading this? Did he get arrested :3
De Gregorio says he cannot confirm how many serving executives have been arrested, and says there will be no re-vote for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. “The World Cups will be played in Russia and Qatar.
Fifa’s spokesperson says world football’s governing body will respond to all requests for information, and draws attention to the attorney general’s line that “Fifa is the damaged party” in the World Cup investigation. Walter de Gregorio repeats that Fifa’s general secretary Jérôme Valcke and president Sepp Blatter are not involved. He adds: “Fifa are suffering in these circumstances. It is a difficult moment for us.”
De Gregorio is asked: is this the lowest moment in Fifa’s history? “This for Fifa is good. It is not good in terms of image or reputation, but in terms of cleaning up, this is good … It is not a nice day, but it is also a good day. The process goes on and we are looking forward.”
lol FIFA just like politicians now, every negative they turn into a positive.
EPT
