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On July 31 2014 18:14 Pandemona wrote:Mourinho direct quotes about him after last nights friendly was; Show nested quote +‘First of all, Romelu was always very clear in his mentality. He wanted to play for Chelsea but he wanted to be clearly the first-choice striker which, in a club of our dimension, is very difficult to promise to a player.
‘After that Everton came in with an important offer. As I always say, because it’s the reality, our club wants to do things really well. We want to always be inside of the rules. Financial Fair Play is something that is always in the thoughts of Chelsea’s board. That was Mourinho being nice....Lukaku thought he deserved no1 striker jersey in Chelsea without even proving himself. Mourinho would of took him this season without no doubt but he would of had to battle with Torres and Costa to get onto the pitch. He choose Everton instead of fighting for his place at Chelsea. Shows alot about his character ^_^
It shows a lot of intelligence.
Young players (sitting on the bench) in big clubs is such a waste of talent.
If he is the real deal he will show it at Everton again and some other big club will snatch him up. Staying in Chelsea doesn't help his career at all.
I wish more young players would follow his example (Looking at you Kagawa -.-)
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"Romelu was always clear that in his mentality and his approach he was not highly motivated to come to a competitive situation at Chelsea," Mourinho said in the Daily Mirror.
"He wanted to play for Chelsea, but clearly only as first-choice striker - and at a club of our dimension it's very difficult to promise a player that status.
"That reduced immediately his desire to come to us. After that, Everton came with an important offer and because we want to be inside Financial Fair Play rules, you have to analyse these situations."
Lukaku said he had left Chelsea without speaking to Mourinho. https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-mourinho-lukaku-lacked-motivation-073824527--sow.html
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah so you think fighting for a place in a big fish pond doesn't benefit him? Walking into Everton and being praised as a god playing Europa league is good for him?
Chelsea signed him, loaned him out for two seasons. Going to use him to battle for a first team place, showing week in week out in training he is worth a start and he says naa im going to play Europa League with Everton and battle for top 6 finish.
Not for me, that shows the opposite. Playing week in week out is worth it, if your playing at the highest level, to go play week in week out in a team battling for 5th and 6th places doesn't show much ambition imo.
Kagawa is different as he signed for Yanited to play after being a starter all the time in Dortmund, he then has had like 3 seasons of not playing he should leave. Lukaku signs as a kid, then loaned out for 2 seasons to then say naa i like playing for Everton and not fight for a first team place in a big club challenging for every trophy.
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On July 31 2014 18:30 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah so you think fighting for a place in a big fish pond doesn't benefit him? Walking into Everton and being praised as a god playing Europa league is good for him?
Chelsea signed him, loaned him out for two seasons. Going to use him to battle for a first team place, showing week in week out in training he is worth a start and he says naa im going to play Europa League with Everton and battle for top 6 finish.
Not for me, that shows the opposite. Playing week in week out is worth it, if your playing at the highest level, to go play week in week out in a team battling for 5th and 6th places doesn't show much ambition imo.
Kagawa is different as he signed for Yanited to play after being a starter all the time in Dortmund, he then has had like 3 seasons of not playing he should leave. Lukaku signs as a kid, then loaned out for 2 seasons to then say naa i like playing for Everton and not fight for a first team place in a big club challenging for every trophy.
What I am saying is Kagawa should have never ever signed for ManUtd in the first place.
Stayed in Dortmund longer, prove himself being world class for a bit longer and then no team would dare what ManUtd did to him. Götze, Sahin have had the same problems - they left too early. Neither of them is/was a starter for their new club.
Draxler is a smart guy, stay in Schalke a bit longer, get even better. And then do a big club move once you are ready
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah thats a more fair assumption. But neither of those clubs is the same as what Chelsea was with Lukaku. We bought him young for his potential. Refined his potential with loan moves to then tell him to fight for his place which he expressed concern in doing. Add in FFP rules now and a 28million bid from Everton and gg easy sale.
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Nobody knows if Lukaku should have stayed or not. It would have been good for him only if he actually succeeded ofc, and that is only obvious at the end of the season (or some months into it).
It's a high risk-high reward situation (being benched all season vs becoming world class) so he took a safer line, I think it's smart.
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I don't like that kind of attitude. Our belgians started to think they are superstars or what? First KDB, now Lukaku. They both prefer to play for mid level clubs instead of fighting for the spot in the main squad of a top club. If you you think you are good enough to be a starter, just take the opportunity as a 2nd or even 3rd choice player and when you get a chance prove yourself. That's how it works in top club i guess... After reading some of Courtois' interviews i found out he has the same position regarding his place in Chelsea squad. But he atleast proved himself on the highest level possible.
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On July 30 2014 17:09 danzii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:41 BeaTeR wrote:On July 30 2014 10:12 danzii wrote:
So guys, I haven't followed the news for a while but how does the Ukrainian situation look like? The the league restart at some point? Will they have teams in european competition? Ukranian Premier League just started. Dnipro plays CL quali today. Chernomorets and Zarya in EL tomorrow. How did the situation get resolved? I remember the league being suspended for a bit. Did it restart quickly or how were the winners/losers decided?
They just started the League later. Only first round is done atm.
On July 30 2014 17:21 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:41 BeaTeR wrote:On July 30 2014 10:12 danzii wrote:
So guys, I haven't followed the news for a while but how does the Ukrainian situation look like? The the league restart at some point? Will they have teams in european competition? Ukranian Premier League just started. Dnipro plays CL quali today. Chernomorets and Zarya in EL tomorrow. Whats up with Shakhtar? Apparently Douglas Costa, Fred, Dentinho, Alex Teixiera and some others didn't want to go back to Ukraine with Akhmetov telling them to return if they know whats good for them. I think they will play in Kharkiv? Can they play CL? FC Sevastopol which played in the Ukr. Premier League ceased to exist and applied for a Russian license with the new name SC Black Sea Fleet. I wonder how much of a headache it will cause UEFA if Black Sea Fleet make it to a Euro competition. I mean you have Welsh clubs playing in the English league but I'm guessing Crimea's delicate status is going to cause problems.
Costa, Dentinho and Teixeira came back to the club. Don't know if they'll play in next games though. I think they want to change club asap. There are rumors on ukrainian football sites that Monaco are ready to pay 65 mill euro for the Costa-Teixeira duo. There is another brazilian called Wellington Nem who is doing rehab after some injury. he is Brazil now and said he'll come back to Ukraine soon just to ask Shakhtar for a loan at his old club Fluminense.
Every home game in UPL and Champions League Shakhtar will play in Lviv - "capital" of Western Ukraine. They've already played Supercup of Ukraine there a couple of weeks ago and first round of UPL last weekend.
ps sorry for late answer, needed free time to do some research on this
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On July 31 2014 18:45 BeaTeR wrote:
I don't like that kind of attitude. Our belgians started to think they are superstars or what? First KDB, now Lukaku. They both prefer to play for mid level clubs instead of fighting for the spot in the main squad of a top club. If you you think you are good enough to be a starter, just take the opportunity as a 2nd or even 3rd choice player and when you get a chance prove yourself. That's how it works in top club i guess... After reading some of Courtois' interviews i found out he has the same position regarding his place in Chelsea squad. But he atleast proved himself on the highest level possible.
I liked KdB and Lukaku a lot....I'm really sad they left Chelsea but not a single player in the world can walk to a team and demand to be a starter even if you're named Messi or Ronaldo (especially at such a young age...even Messi or Ronaldo were benched from time to time in their first seasons with the big team).
They need to be humble and work hard. If he reaches his potential he will be bought by other big team 2 years from now and...guess what..said big team will surely have other competent strikers and he will need to prove he is worth it.
Nonetheless, hope he succeeds in Everton as I will put him in my FPL squad lol.
Regarding Courtois I think the situation is different....he is young and great (proven already) Cech is old and had some consistency issues...if one has to go...burn Cech (as much as I liked him for so long, the club needs to have the next years in mind) even if the return is slim (££ wise).
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On July 31 2014 18:45 BeaTeR wrote:
I don't like that kind of attitude. Our belgians started to think they are superstars or what? First KDB, now Lukaku. They both prefer to play for mid level clubs instead of fighting for the spot in the main squad of a top club. If you you think you are good enough to be a starter, just take the opportunity as a 2nd or even 3rd choice player and when you get a chance prove yourself. That's how it works in top club i guess... After reading some of Courtois' interviews i found out he has the same position regarding his place in Chelsea squad. But he atleast proved himself on the highest level possible.
I disagree if he's going to sit on the bench at Chelsea why not play, Everton aren't a small team. Its much better to play week in week out and have everyone talk about you than it is to sit on the bench and be forgotten. That’s my opinion anyway. I guess theres always the chance that you might get that chance at a top team. But I get the impression Lukaku would rather play.
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On July 31 2014 19:11 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:45 BeaTeR wrote:
I don't like that kind of attitude. Our belgians started to think they are superstars or what? First KDB, now Lukaku. They both prefer to play for mid level clubs instead of fighting for the spot in the main squad of a top club. If you you think you are good enough to be a starter, just take the opportunity as a 2nd or even 3rd choice player and when you get a chance prove yourself. That's how it works in top club i guess... After reading some of Courtois' interviews i found out he has the same position regarding his place in Chelsea squad. But he atleast proved himself on the highest level possible. I liked KdB and Lukaku a lot....I'm really sad they left Chelsea but not a single player in the world can walk to a team and demand to be a starter even if you're named Messi or Ronaldo (especially at such a young age...even Messi or Ronaldo were benched from time to time in their first seasons with the big team). They need to be humble and work hard. If he reaches his potential he will be bought by other big team 2 years from now and...guess what..said big team will surely have other competent strikers and he will need to prove he is worth it. Nonetheless, hope he succeeds in Everton as I will put him in my FPL squad lol. Regarding Courtois I think the situation is different....he is young and great (proven already) Cech is old and had some consistency issues...if one has to go...burn Cech (as much as I liked him for so long, the club needs to have the next years in mind) even if the return is slim (££ wise).
world class players will never be benched because the club board will tell the coach "x will play no matter what."
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Thanks for the answer BeaTeR
Regarding Lukaku... When I look at guys like Vidic and Ivanovic, Lukaku's mindset isn't really fit for a big club. Both defenders came from the Russian league and had to wait out a minimum of 6 months because of fitness (RL finished, mid season for everybody else). They didn't even think about going out on loan and even though they played maybe 6 matches in a year and a half they fought for their place. Maybe 2 years after they came started getting their shot at regular first team football.
Look at them now. Vidic was captain of ManU and made up half of a legendary defender duo with Rio. Ivanovic is practically captain material, gives 110% every match. Not to mention he is proper Chelsea and turned down much more lucrative offers to stay at the club he loves.
Big clubs need players that have the drive to be champions and more importantly put the club before themselves.
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On July 31 2014 19:18 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:45 BeaTeR wrote:
I don't like that kind of attitude. Our belgians started to think they are superstars or what? First KDB, now Lukaku. They both prefer to play for mid level clubs instead of fighting for the spot in the main squad of a top club. If you you think you are good enough to be a starter, just take the opportunity as a 2nd or even 3rd choice player and when you get a chance prove yourself. That's how it works in top club i guess... After reading some of Courtois' interviews i found out he has the same position regarding his place in Chelsea squad. But he atleast proved himself on the highest level possible. I disagree if he's going to sit on the bench at Chelsea why not play, Everton aren't a small team. Its much better to play week in week out and have everyone talk about you than it is to sit on the bench and be forgotten. That’s my opinion anyway. I guess theres always the chance that you might get that chance at a top team. But I get the impression Lukaku would rather play.
Agreed. The only way you learn to perform under pressure is to play actual matches. I think it's been shown a lot that moving to a big club too soon only leads to waste of time. It's a big theme in the Eredivisie since we're effectively a training academy for the PL. Some youngsters leave at 16, only to come back to Holland none the better at 19. You're better off playing an extra year or 2 at a semi-decent team than not playing at all...
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On July 31 2014 19:18 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:45 BeaTeR wrote:
I don't like that kind of attitude. Our belgians started to think they are superstars or what? First KDB, now Lukaku. They both prefer to play for mid level clubs instead of fighting for the spot in the main squad of a top club. If you you think you are good enough to be a starter, just take the opportunity as a 2nd or even 3rd choice player and when you get a chance prove yourself. That's how it works in top club i guess... After reading some of Courtois' interviews i found out he has the same position regarding his place in Chelsea squad. But he atleast proved himself on the highest level possible. I disagree if he's going to sit on the bench at Chelsea why not play, Everton aren't a small team. Its much better to play week in week out and have everyone talk about you than it is to sit on the bench and be forgotten. That’s my opinion anyway. I guess theres always the chance that you might get that chance at a top team. But I get the impression Lukaku would rather play.
Well maybe my post sounded a bit harsh. I am just dissapointed they chose to play for another club instead of trying to prove themselves in Chelsea. I like them both and don't blame for deciding to move to another clubs and get more playing time. They have great potential and i sincerely hope their choice will work out for them.
If Lukaku turns into world class forward one day hope we have some "special price" to buy him back 
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imo, lukaku chose the wrong time to leave.
drogs is good, but he's old. i also think he was brought in to be a 'dressing room player'.
costa? i think he's the only person lukaku has to fight with for his place. besides, first time in the PL, you never know.
torres? lol, who are we kidding? hardworking as heck, but just not scoring.
i'd say lukaku had a pretty good shot at proving his worth and doing great things with chelsea!
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Lukaku made the absolute best decision of his career. He's only 21. He's already wasted a few years by going to Chelsea too early anyway. Young kids need to play matches every week. At Everton he can play steadily in one of the biggest leagues in the world and he can play European football that fits with his skill. He'll still likely earn the same salary (if not more with his new contract).
Like Aseq said, it's a big theme in the Netherlands. You see these young kids going to PL clubs and after 3-5 years they come back disappointed not having any first-team experience. Also, most of them turn into diva's expecting a whole lot more than they deserve. Talent is still there, but it's a big big waste. If they had stayed at their own club, they might have gotten a few years of first-team experience. That's a whole lot better than wasting away at a big club.
Few examples:
- Karim Rekik: went to Man C when he was very young. Never played. Last season was loaned out to PSV but kinda sucked.
- Luc Castaignos: went to Inter Milan very early after one season of scoring 15 goals at Feyenoord. Could've just stayed as first striker of Feyenoord for another couple years, developing his skill. Instead, went for an early money move that completely failed. Now sulking away at FC Twente who bought him for way too much money.
- Nathan Aké: would've played every week at Feyenoord. Now wastes away on a bench during the time he should play every week to improve.
That's the problem though with these massive teams. They pick up like 100 youngsters and in the end, 98 of them are completely wasting their early career just for double the salary. If they stay at their local club (which is usually still top in their country, Ajax and Feyenoord youth academies produce a lot of talent) they'd get a lot more playing time and eventually when they become 22-23 they can leave for a very big club already being a big name.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ake is 19 and is in the squad this year for Chelsea, meaning he is now in a group of;
John Terry
Gary Cahill
Azpilicueta
Ivanovic
Filie Luis
Kurt Zouma (19)
Nathan Ake (19)
Andreas Christensen (18)
This is Chelsea defenders this season, im pretty sure he is learning just as much as he would of playing for Feyernord in Eredivisie whilst playing week in week out training with the Chelsea squad and will be playing this season as you can see by that list. He is pretty much the reserve left back, with the ability to play DM too if everyone gets injured there.
Just on Chelsea forum i'll add this
Aké quote: "It's a little different than CB or DM, but if you get a chance as LB in Chelsea's first team, you shouldn't whine."
I can understand peoples point of Lukaku wanting to play week in week out i have no issue with that, but you do know they can still learn the game coming on for 20minutes in a game or starting a cup match or champions league game and training week in week out with quality players.
He is going to be playing Europa League with Everton which will be some step up from last season but also the squad of Everton can't deal with injuries that all the traveling of that competition puts onto players. No one in the premier league ever does well when they are playing Thursday > Sunday.
We will see how it goes, but you all should understand the point of fighting for your place in a big pond rather than being the big fish in a small pond? Isn't much ambition vs being in your comfort zone? Pushing yourself vs doing just enough.
It's a bit Yin & Yang for me
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I really think this is the right decision. He is 21, still has time to develope and at Everton he will play a tone.
In 2 years, after playing 2 years of PL and a EURO with a very promising Belgium team he could have a shot at the bigger guns like Real, Bayern, PSG (Ibra isnt metusalem) or ManU who maybe have a need at this time and are bigger then Chelsea (sorry Pande). Or at least have higher chance of winning.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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