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On July 31 2014 21:08 Micro_Jackson wrote:
I really think this is the right decision. He is 21, still has time to develope and at Everton he will play a tone.
In 2 years, after playing 2 years of PL and a EURO with a very promising Belgium team he could have a shot at the bigger guns like Real, Bayern, PSG (Ibra isnt metusalem) or ManU who maybe have a need at this time and are bigger then Chelsea (sorry Pande). Or at least have higher chance of winning.
Nope, if he isn't ready after having good season to fight for first team in big club, he won't be ever ready for it.
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Right decision I agree. Most has been said but you might never know how he feels.
Maybe he doesn't like Mous attitude, maybe he didn't get along with Hazard during WC. He could have made close friends during the last year in the town and the squad.
In addition his perception of his perspectives might vary from ours.
CFC: watch your team win cl while sitting on the bench with one 20 minute appearance
Everton: MOTM in the el-final.
If his next two seasons are close to the last one he'll get one juicy 5-6 year contract with 23 which gives him a chance for another big contract afterwards.
And if it is not about money... he might just love football. And in this case playing twice every week > playing 25 minutes a week + train with slightly better players.
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On July 31 2014 21:23 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 21:08 Micro_Jackson wrote:
I really think this is the right decision. He is 21, still has time to develope and at Everton he will play a tone.
In 2 years, after playing 2 years of PL and a EURO with a very promising Belgium team he could have a shot at the bigger guns like Real, Bayern, PSG (Ibra isnt metusalem) or ManU who maybe have a need at this time and are bigger then Chelsea (sorry Pande). Or at least have higher chance of winning. Nope, if he isn't ready after having good season to fight for first team in big club, he won't be ever ready for it.
I don't think this is the right way of looking at things. Jose Mourinho doesn't seem to be that impressed with Lukaku and there's little Lukaku can do about that. So it makes sense to stay at Everton who are no small team. He plays every week he shows how good he is he doesn't waste away on the bench.
To many Chelsea fans are looking at this through blue tinted glasses where all the players should do what’s best for their club and seem to have an over inflated view of how playing for Chelsea is far more important than playing for any other club. Obviously the player is going to do what’s best for him. Of course he's ready to fight for his place but if Mourinho's not going to play him what’s the point in sitting on the bench. Play for Everton, be a hero for their fans week in week out, get talked about on Macth of The Day each week and by fans all around the world. That’s far more appealing than wasting away on the bench hoping Mourinho will change his mind in my opinion.
edit: Let me just point out what happened to Demba Ba. He was a Newcastle hero scoring goal after goal for them a hero to their fans talked about all the time in the papers and on TV and all around the world. Then he went and sat on the Chelsea bench for a year or so and did nothing. Awful move. Been a back up striker for Chelsea is not as good as been the main man for a slightly smaller club. No matter how much Chelsea fans don't except that.
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On July 31 2014 21:37 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 21:23 lprk wrote:On July 31 2014 21:08 Micro_Jackson wrote:
I really think this is the right decision. He is 21, still has time to develope and at Everton he will play a tone.
In 2 years, after playing 2 years of PL and a EURO with a very promising Belgium team he could have a shot at the bigger guns like Real, Bayern, PSG (Ibra isnt metusalem) or ManU who maybe have a need at this time and are bigger then Chelsea (sorry Pande). Or at least have higher chance of winning. Nope, if he isn't ready after having good season to fight for first team in big club, he won't be ever ready for it. I don't think this is the right way of looking at things. Jose Mourinho doesn't seem to be that impressed with Lukaku and there's little Lukaku can do about that. So it makes sense to stay at Everton who are no small team. He plays every week he shows how good he is he doesn't waste away on the bench. To many Chelsea fans are looking at this through blue tinted glasses where all the players should do what’s best for their club and seem to have an over inflated view of how playing for Chelsea is far more important than playing for any other club. Obviously the player is going to do what’s best for him. Of course he's ready to fight for his place but if Mourinho's not going to play him what’s the point in sitting on the bench. Play for Everton, be a hero for their fans week in week out, get talked about on Macth of The Day each week and by fans all around the world. That’s far more appealing than wasting away on the bench hoping Mourinho will change his mind in my opinion.
Well your wrong or Mourinhos wrong. I'll go with your wrong on that quote or assumption.
Mourinho said he did not want to fight for his place he wanted to be first choice striker and at Chelsea OR ANY OTHER BIG CLUB you have to fight for your place. At Everton he has no competition for that striker role, he has Kone actually who followed Martinez from Wigan only to get really bad injuries and played like 30minutes all last season? Seems pretty comfortable choice. Anyway whether im right or wrong here's another quote this time from Costa;
As a striker, you must be looking forward to having so many talented attacking midfielders playing behind you…
Firstly, it’s important for me to respect the situation I’m in. I’ve come here to have a great fight professionally with Fernando Torres in order to get into the team.
Thats Diego Costa realizing that he has to fight for his place in a team whilst citing Torres as his competition xD
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Demba Ba your semi wrong on as well. He stopped scoring and was replaced by Cisse and was forced to play LW just like Chelsea did with Sturridge. Sturridge wanted to leave to play ST somewhere and did as Liverpool offered him that. Ba wanted to play as striker and Chelsea offered him that also. He however just never got going for Chelsea.
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You are the last person in the world I would dare enter into a debate/argument over any matters Chelsea or what Jose Mourinho thinks of players. Because I’m sure you understand those things much better than me. But I thought it was pretty commonly held that Jose Mourinho isn’t convinced by Lukaku and they don’t have the best of relationships.
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They fell out due to Lukaku couldn't keep his mouth shut last season xD
And do not think i dont understand both sides of this debate as i do, letting him play week in week out is awesome for him, but he is still young so playing 20 games for Chelsea this season would of still benefited him just as much as playing 36 games a season for Everton.
Just annoys you as a fan when you have to see a player go who couldn't be arsed it seems from what you read and quote from people. Pretty sure every clubs wants player who fight for positions, Chelsea this season have huge competition for places which is good for us. Which is why Lukaku would of made us even better, shame.
We are all right in this discussion i add, but in terms of what you want as a fan you want everyone trying 100% everyday not thinking meh i can play every game for this team and leave.
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If he really would have got 20 proper games playing for Chelsea that changes the situation a bit. I wouldn't have thought he would get that many. But off course we will never know now and I guess it would depend on injuries to other players and other factors too. I was thinking more along the lines of him get a couple of full games and be subbed on half a dozen times and that would not have been better than playing for Everton.
As for his attitude I can't really comment as I don't know.
edit: I guess the number of games he would have got would have depended on his attitude and how well he trained and competed as you have been saying with other players.
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I totally agree with Twisted, more players should stay in smaller clubs and it's a huge problem that all the big clubs are just buying and wasting talent that could otherwise flourish. A 21 year old wants to play as many matches as possible. I understand the 16-17 year olds more actually, then it's like, spending a year in Chelsea's youth squad is gonna give you access to better team partners and coaching than you'd get from staying in a club where you'd actually get to play some matches, but talents that aren't playing actual matches between the ages 18-20 pretty much never have a positive development.
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On July 31 2014 23:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
I think this says a lot more about Mourinho not knowing his preferred starting XI than Lukaku lacking any sort of mental strength...
I think Mourinho has an idea of his 18 right now. Lukaku's problem is that he doesn't start there, he has to earn his way into it.
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On August 01 2014 01:16 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:15 Craze wrote:On July 31 2014 23:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
I think this says a lot more about Mourinho not knowing his preferred starting XI than Lukaku lacking any sort of mental strength... I think Mourinho has an idea of his 18 right now. Lukaku's problem is that he doesn't start there, he has to earn his way into it. Lukaku's "problem" is that he scored more Premier League goals last season than any of Chelsea's players whilst playing for an Everton team that - with all due respect to Everton - do not have the same attacking prowess behind their striker when it comes to creating chances. He has scored at a very decent rate on both of his Premier League spells against the same teams that Chelsea play week-in-week-out. Claiming that he has a weak mindset after how hard he's worked on his two loan-spells is a joke. It was time for the Chelsea hierarchy to either solve their striker problem by either thrusting the PL-proven Lukaku into the first team or by throwing money at the problem; they choose the latter option.
We were going to "thrust him into the first team" but he want guarantee that he was going to be no1 striker and you cannot get that guarantee that is what this is all about nothing else. Everyone knows he is a good player but he hasn't proven it week in week out.
He scored 17 goals coming on in 2nd half spells for West Brom and then he scored 15 goals being no1 at Everton. He also needed those loan spells to fit in to his body and fill out. He is 21 now, that is the time you stop growing he now can start working the gym which is probably a big part of his training due to his sheer size. To say after 2 loan spells he is ready to walk into a team who is challenging for every trophy they play in is a bit much.
Costa on the other hand has scored above 20 goals in the last two seasons playing at the highest level in champions league, europa league and La Liga. Winning Copa Del Rey season 1 and season 2 winning La Liga. He could have the right to demand he be first choice but not Lukaku. Costa as i said before said he knows he has to fight for his place and that was probably installed in him from Simeone a similar style coach to Mourinho it seems.
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Euro under-19 Final starting right now. Portugal - Germany
should be a nice game :p some very talented guys in our team. germany got the better team but we will see...
check it out ^^
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Lots of insight regarding Lukaku, thanks for that guys! I still think some of the responsibility regarding young players attitude falls on the club, gotta educate them shitkids 
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On July 31 2014 22:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I totally agree with Twisted, more players should stay in smaller clubs and it's a huge problem that all the big clubs are just buying and wasting talent that could otherwise flourish. A 21 year old wants to play as many matches as possible. I understand the 16-17 year olds more actually, then it's like, spending a year in Chelsea's youth squad is gonna give you access to better team partners and coaching than you'd get from staying in a club where you'd actually get to play some matches, but talents that aren't playing actual matches between the ages 18-20 pretty much never have a positive development.
I was saying that first ;_;
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Reports from his native Colombia tonight claim that Arsenal are closer to signing Porto attacking midfielder Juan Fernando Quintero. The 21-year-old, who helped his country reach the World Cup quarter-finals in Brazil, was linked with the Gunners earlier this week.
Arsene "midfield" Wenger
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Who needs defenders and strikers when midfielders can do both?
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it probably means cazorla is gone to athletico
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maybe we should start only talking about Arsenal transfers when they really happen  else Team Liquid will run out of webspace
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