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2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 123
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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NuclearJudas
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On August 23 2014 08:53 Mensol wrote: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvoP3VpIIAE-NU1.jpg) Arsenal is even 4th place at money spent. Fuck me, now people are making fun of us for actually sending money? We just can't win. And Ronaldo is fucking dumb for doing that. Would be nice to see a huge ban, to set an example. While on the subject of violence, does anyone have an update on Brandao (the bloke that head-butted Motta)? | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On August 23 2014 10:26 Rebs wrote: Going of of what Twisted mentioned, Atleti also doesnt play park he bus 90 minutes, They pick their moments where they will go at you, its a bit of a rope a dope if you will. If you look at the last game of the season they just laid back. When they went a goal down to Barca they came out at half time and for the first 15 mins they played them off the pitch. It wasn't counter attacking it was just good old fashioned solid aggressive play. So its not quite the same. Also you have to play the opposition, Madrid have a problem breaking teams down and are lightning quick on the counter more so then other teams. Why would you offer them that space then? You also have to appreciate that whether you like it or not Atleti isnt as good a team and cant play the same game, they work hard and they make it difficult and thats their identity. The criticism appears when teams that have the resources and in the past and currently play great football and have the quality to do it and still decide they want to admit that they are the weaker team. I dont think anyone seeing anything in a new light especially considering teams like Atleti and Dortmund will keep getting raided every season. Maybe you are and sure excitement tempers once a team has higher expectations but I am still impressed with them. And this is from someone who is a fierce proponent of pass and move. Also Dortmund is an exception, no other team gets to do what they have done for which there are a number of reason such as talent pool, scouting system. And they aren't exactly murdering teams these days either so a short uptick for an exciting team isnt anything to get over excited about either. If you are looking for justification to Chelsea's critism. Pointing at Atleti isnt the answer. Besides whats the worry. Chelsea played a super impressive first game. Even if they did ease up a bit more than I personally would have liked. That Chelsea team finished 6th in the Premier League as well, so it's not like they were world beaters that season and just decided to play defensively for a few games. One could even argue that Chelsea were TOO offensive that season which was why they finished so poorly and why their manager (AVB) was sacked. I don't think people will admire Atlético as much of Simeone keeps making an ass of himself in these big matches. I need to see a longer version of that "punch." It looks like Ronaldo ran into that guy because of his momentum or something. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 23 2014 13:40 Ferrose wrote: I need to see a longer version of that "punch." It looks like Ronaldo ran into that guy because of his momentum or something. That same Chelsea team did the double a couple of years before that and literally powered in over 100 league goals playing aggressively. When was the last time Atleti did that.. yeah exactly. And they weren't too offensive, they just tried playing a high line vis a vis Barca and failed miserably which JT and co didnt want to (and frankly I dont see why they should have) and tried to rotate and revolutionize having not even gained his dressing room. So one could argue it, but it would be a terrible argument. Also Im not sure if its unclear but its somewhat contradictory to say a team was too offensive and then claim that "its not like they decided to play defensive for a few games". Its one or the other. But yeah not a fan of Simeone antics either. As for world beaters. Chelsea by all measures should be world beaters, money, recent success etc etc. Where as Atleti from a rational POV should not. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
And Bayern spent 10 million so far lol Well, going to become 40 very soon (Benatia) | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4303 Posts
On August 23 2014 16:19 Rebs wrote: That same Chelsea team did the double a couple of years before that and literally powered in over 100 league goals playing aggressively. When was the last time Atleti did that.. yeah exactly. And they weren't too offensive, they just tried playing a high line vis a vis Barca and failed miserably which JT and co didnt want to (and frankly I dont see why they should have) and tried to rotate and revolutionize having not even gained his dressing room. So one could argue it, but it would be a terrible argument. Also Im not sure if its unclear but its somewhat contradictory to say a team was too offensive and then claim that "its not like they decided to play defensive for a few games". Its one or the other. But yeah not a fan of Simeone antics either. As for world beaters. Chelsea by all measures should be world beaters, money, recent success etc etc. Where as Atleti from a rational POV should not. I have nothing against Atletico and I have nothing in favour of Chelsea. To me, a depleted Chelsea team was forced to defend against big teams (so playing the opponent just like you said) and while Chelsea and Mourinho were crucified, Atletico was praised for outstanding tactics (you can go at it anyway you want, all the games that I saw from Atletico were just a copy paste of Chelsea). I also don't buy the theory of money and recent success, just look at utd 2 years ago and united now (different problem I know). My point in the post you quoted in the last page was that people seem to forget that Chelsea faced some problems at the end of the year that resulted in the need to use a more defensive style due to the lack of proper offensive solutions that can play a different type of game. Money cant save you out of the transfer window when the players are injured or out of shape. Nor can fame. Additionally, call me what you want, but I don't see that much dept in Chelsea's squad last year. Oh and the part about people starting to realise how atletico actually plays...I was obviously not talking about me stopping to like them, I was just referring to more people now voicing similar opinions to those I and a few others had last year, thus leading me to believe that all the atletico's praise was just a bandwagon thing and it will soon disappear. This is not meant to be offensive or rude on my behalf, I just don't see the difference between last year's Chelsea and Atletico and although I appreciate the reasoning in your post, I just don't buy it, sorry  | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Looks even more damning on this one. Anyone else watching the "Old Farm" derby? Ipswich vs Norwich, played 138 times over 112 years. Norwich just took the lead through Grabban, who's in ridiculous form. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On August 23 2014 20:45 Liquid`Drone wrote: yeah wtf. wonder what led up to that, I can totally accept considering ronaldo a cunt for a myriad of reasons, but punching someone like this seems completely out of character. That looks very deliberate and it seems like he's trying to knock him the fuck out. But he's a RM player, so he won't get banned  | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
On August 23 2014 21:04 WillyWanker wrote: But he's a RM player, so he won't get banned Most RM biased media aren't even reporting it..  . | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On August 23 2014 20:45 Liquid`Drone wrote: yeah wtf. wonder what led up to that, I can totally accept considering ronaldo a cunt for a myriad of reasons, but punching someone like this seems completely out of character. That looks very deliberate and it seems like he's trying to knock him the fuck out. Godin was basically hanging on his neck trying to prevent him from jumping. It's a common tactic when battling for position in the penalty area : do something illegal/dirty, when the opponent retaliates go down and ask for a card. Ronaldo received yellow for that which I think is fair. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On August 23 2014 21:57 NuclearJudas wrote: Wait, you think a yellow for balling a fist and punching an opponent twice over the head is fair? Dafuq. OK, if you want the ref to go 100% by the book, its penalty for Real, yellow for Godin and red card for Ronaldo. What is the end result ? The exact same - It will go on ET and Real will lose cus they are 2 men short. It's the end of the match and the ref , who did great whole game, doesn't want troubles for nothing. So, yeah, yellow card is a fair compromise in this situation. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
subs: Cech, Zouma, Filipe Luis, Mikel, Ramires, Willian, Drogba. Leicester: Schmeichel; De Laet, Morgan (c), Moore, Konchesky; Mahrez, King, Hammond, Schlupp, Ulloa; Nugent. subs: Hamer, Albrighton, Hopper, Taylor-Fletcher, Knockaert, Wasilewski, Wood. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
How do you reckon you'll play against top sides, Pande? Will you play Fabregas deep against teams like Arsenal, City and Pool? My guess is moving him up and playing Mikel/Ramires with Matic, but I'm not sure that'd be comfortable in defence. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:16 NuclearJudas wrote: I don't get that logic. You think Ronaldo should get away with just a booking because Real are losing the game anyway? He punched Godín in the head. That's much worse than what Suarez did, and he's out for months. How do you reckon you'll play against top sides, Pande? Will you play Fabregas deep against teams like Arsenal, City and Pool? My guess is moving him up and playing Mikel/Ramires with Matic, but I'm not sure that'd be comfortable in defence. We will play 4-3-3 vs top teams ^_^ Slot in Ramires or Mikel alongside Matic then push Fabregas onwards in a free role, Schurrle Costa Hazard front 3, with them all defending as a team. Hazard - Costa - Schurrle --------Fabregas ----Matic -- Ramires back 4 4-2-1-3 kind of formation going forward but defensively will be 4-5-1 as usual. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:16 NuclearJudas wrote: I don't get that logic. You think Ronaldo should get away with just a booking because Real are losing the game anyway? He punched Godín in the head. That's much worse than what Suarez did, and he's out for months. No, it's not worse than what Suarez did. It's battling in the penalty area that went a bit over the top. You are acting like Ronaldo just went in and punched the completely innocent Saint Godin. Please, we all know how it goes when it comes to corners. The logic is simple. The ref has the freedom to not follow the rulebook at 100% when the game dictates that. It's pointless to escalate the game when it basically is over. You know what will happen if he calls that situation 100% - one huge mele that will probably result in more cards and punishments. Then everyone will talk how the ref fucked up the match for months... Now no one cares. So its a win-win. Except for the guys who want a red card for the sake of the red card, like you. And btw, I'm OK with Ronaldo getting away with just a card AND Godin getting away with nothing. You focus too much on Ronaldo, but you forget that the situation has 2 players in it. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Eh, it ends 0-0. Boooo. | ||
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Mensol
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