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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
January 21 2015 05:38 GMT
#6481
On January 21 2015 14:37 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 14:31 giftdgecko wrote:
On January 21 2015 14:30 Craze wrote:
Wouldn't the lighter ball help a pass heavy offense like Indy?

Indy supplied their own balls. 12 each team. Supposedly Pats had 2-3 thrown out the last time they played for being light


Wait, only the Pats used the deflated balls?

Yup.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 05:43:04
January 21 2015 05:42 GMT
#6482
Well that is very interesting...

Bill you scamp!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 21 2015 05:43 GMT
#6483
On January 21 2015 13:56 Shellshock wrote:
How mad are we supposed to be about Deflate Gate? I need to make sure I'm raising the right number of pitchforks


I really dont care. IMO the Pats were the only plausible AFC Super Bowl team once Manning was injured (Patriots did that too? Hmm?).

HOWEVER, I do think they need to get hit hard. And by they, I mean Robert Kraft and Bill Bellichek, and by hard I mean a fine of 20-50% of this and next years revenue/salary. Last time Kraft got a slap on the wrist, this time he has failed to control a repeat offender that is his direct lieutenant.
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giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
January 21 2015 05:44 GMT
#6484
On January 21 2015 14:34 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 11:04 giftdgecko wrote:
On January 21 2015 06:58 QuanticHawk wrote:
On January 19 2015 13:50 giftdgecko wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:21 oneofthem wrote:
On January 19 2015 11:49 giftdgecko wrote:
So Luck probably shouldn't get that monster deal but I can understand giving it to him. This indy team is missing a lot more pieces than I thought

why not? he is their franchise quite literally.

Because I'm against paying any player more than 20 mill a year, and the fact that when you overpay the QB's you usually get a team with a pretty good offense and a lot of missing parts. Guy's gotta get paid cuz he's damn good but is he really the best player in football/does he warrant the deal they are talking about?

this is absurd wow how did I miss this

In his third year, the dude threw up damn near 4800 yds and 40 tds. That is with about half a season of starting a goddamn awful rb who put up 3.3 ypc with his qb going bonkers (seriously, Richardson is AWFUL--how can you be that bad when teams aren't even pretending to stack the box)

He did that with TY Hilton being his only genuine weapon. Wayne is awesome, but over the hill. Moncrief might be something eventually but he's nothing special right now. Fleener is about as goofy as he is ugly. He would have 200+ more yards if he wasn't such a bumbling retard. Luck should be getting daily foot rubs from him since he made that dude's career.

long story short, Luck is at the very worst going to be a top 5 qb for the forseeable future (imo, him and Rodgers are going to be the new Manning/Brady for the better part of the next decade. Wilson will probably be like Romo if they open up that offense more when lynch leaves). He absolutely deserves whatever payday is coming his way, and from a $ perspective, whatever they sign him to now is going to be middle of the pack money in 5, maybe as little as 3 years. You pay that money if you know you will be top 5 at the most important position.

25 mill a year is just too much imo. Dude's making 3.4 mill in 2015 and maybe you can front load some FA signings if you keep that in place, but you made the same point I was trying to make in that the offense is below average around him and the defense lacks any real stars. Being in the top third of the league for an extended period is pretty rough to navigate because they literally get what comes to them in the draft. I just see this team being the same as it was with Peyton where there's regular season success and a playoff win or two but never a real contender.

Other "top" QB's like Rodgers (which you mentioned and is probably the best comparison) are getting 20-22 mill on average throughout their contract. That extra 3-5 mill gets you an upgrade at probably 2 positions? It just feels like the Colts gave up too much leverage in the talks if this is how it actually plays out and he averages 25 mill a year...


Inflation means that the average yearly salary goes up for all qbs. That's why you had people bugging out when middle of the pack guys like Alex Smith Eli and Cutler got big deals since they were making almost as much or more than better qbs who signed a few years earlier.

With Luck, they are buying up prime years, where he will most likely have his best stats and have the best chance of getting the biggest contract possible. It would be a crazy game of chicken to force him to play out his contract when he's clearly outplayed it. Why risk pissing him off, having him throw 40+ Tds again and say fuck you I want 30 per?

Luck making 3.4 just means he is insanely underpaid, and that the team hasn't done a whole lot while having oodles of cap space. Not every team managed to time have their franchise qb blossom while the team around him is at its peak like Seattle. Considerin the importantce of the position, it is foolish to go back to square one rather than paying your elite talent. And as demonstrated, you inevitably have to pay your qb, even the average-above average crowd. Outside of the year Dilfer farted his way to a champtionship there really hasn't been a cheap crappy qb who has won.

Makes more sense since I looked up the cap increase for the past two years. I was thinking back to the 120->120.6 increase thinking it had grown similarly, not by 10+million. Deals fine then but I still see Indy getting in the "playoffs but not a contender" situation. So many holes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 21 2015 05:46 GMT
#6485
On January 21 2015 14:43 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 13:56 Shellshock wrote:
How mad are we supposed to be about Deflate Gate? I need to make sure I'm raising the right number of pitchforks


I really dont care. IMO the Pats were the only plausible AFC Super Bowl team once Manning was injured (Patriots did that too? Hmm?).

HOWEVER, I do think they need to get hit hard. And by they, I mean Robert Kraft and Bill Bellichek, and by hard I mean a fine of 20-50% of this and next years revenue/salary. Last time Kraft got a slap on the wrist, this time he has failed to control a repeat offender that is his direct lieutenant.

I agree that they were the only real super bowl contender left and it likely didn't change the outcome of the game. I just wasn't sure what kind of punishment this would warrant. I see people saying fines or lost draft picks but no one seems to know how much. I guess we have to wait for the official explanation of everything
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
January 21 2015 05:51 GMT
#6486
On January 21 2015 14:46 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 14:43 cLutZ wrote:
On January 21 2015 13:56 Shellshock wrote:
How mad are we supposed to be about Deflate Gate? I need to make sure I'm raising the right number of pitchforks


I really dont care. IMO the Pats were the only plausible AFC Super Bowl team once Manning was injured (Patriots did that too? Hmm?).

HOWEVER, I do think they need to get hit hard. And by they, I mean Robert Kraft and Bill Bellichek, and by hard I mean a fine of 20-50% of this and next years revenue/salary. Last time Kraft got a slap on the wrist, this time he has failed to control a repeat offender that is his direct lieutenant.

I agree that they were the only real super bowl contender left and it likely didn't change the outcome of the game. I just wasn't sure what kind of punishment this would warrant. I see people saying fines or lost draft picks but no one seems to know how much. I guess we have to wait for the official explanation of everything

You're looking for a rational or well thought your explanation and penalty? This is the NFL we are talking about.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 21 2015 05:57 GMT
#6487
You're right my bad. I wonder what penalty they draw out of the hat
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
January 21 2015 05:58 GMT
#6488
Perhaps they can borrow Shanahan's dartboard and graphics screen.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
January 21 2015 06:00 GMT
#6489
I believe the rulebook is 25K minimum fine for whoever did it (dunno if that means coaches telling ppl to do it or the equipment staff or what)
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
January 21 2015 06:03 GMT
#6490
Some little flunky is going to take the bullet.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
January 21 2015 06:15 GMT
#6491
On January 21 2015 15:00 giftdgecko wrote:
I believe the rulebook is 25K minimum fine for whoever did it (dunno if that means coaches telling ppl to do it or the equipment staff or what)

If only the equipment staff get hits it means nothing, if Coaches/Kraft get hit with only the minium it still means jack shit. Robert Kraft wipes his ass with 25k... The shitty reality of the situation is the league really has no viable punishment for this unless they really go all out and overboard which they won't. A couple of draft picks might sting but not that big of a deal as the pats have good scouting(Insert spygate joke here) and with that you can always find steals in late rounds.
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 07:59:57
January 21 2015 07:56 GMT
#6492
GG Pats, enjoy your fourth title with an asterisk. Perhaps you should one year try to win it without cheating...

EDIT: It is pretty telling that the news haven't broken on NFL.com - protecting the brand is more important than punishing a repeat cheater who now as a consequence is in the title game. Any other sport and that would have been severely punished/disqualification.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
January 21 2015 08:14 GMT
#6493
On January 21 2015 16:56 Ghostcom wrote:
GG Pats, enjoy your fourth title with an asterisk. Perhaps you should one year try to win it without cheating...

EDIT: It is pretty telling that the news haven't broken on NFL.com - protecting the brand is more important than punishing a repeat cheater who now as a consequence is in the title game. Any other sport and that would have been severely punished/disqualification.

lol wat...
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
January 21 2015 08:23 GMT
#6494
On January 21 2015 17:14 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 16:56 Ghostcom wrote:
GG Pats, enjoy your fourth title with an asterisk. Perhaps you should one year try to win it without cheating...

EDIT: It is pretty telling that the news haven't broken on NFL.com - protecting the brand is more important than punishing a repeat cheater who now as a consequence is in the title game. Any other sport and that would have been severely punished/disqualification.

lol wat...


Thank you for your profound insight... You have changed my entire perception of the world and as a result I have ascended into complete Nirvana.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 21 2015 08:57 GMT
#6495
And you think your own post is intelligent?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
January 21 2015 09:20 GMT
#6496
Well I have yet to see an argument to the opposite - only thing I see are comments contributing nothing of relevance. Mind you I'm not saying the balls were the reason the Pats won over the Colts - but the intention to cheat is what is the core issue here.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 09:33:07
January 21 2015 09:31 GMT
#6497
That's some shitty cheating if those balls didn't influence the game, but they were deflated anyway. I expected better from expert cheaters like Belichick and his crew...Plus what ever happened to "innocent until proven otherwise"? At least let the NFL investigate and come up with an official statement before pitchforking...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 21 2015 09:54 GMT
#6498
confused why nfl didn't include a check of the colts balls for complete baseline fairness.

thought seahawks would win the superbowl from the start, and nothing really changes my mind at this point. they already went through the worst game they could possibly have
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 13:23:26
January 21 2015 09:55 GMT
#6499
It is a little hard to know before the game if cheating is going to matter or not when it comes to deciding to deflate the balls... Once again it is the intention to cheat that is the core issue, and your petty attempt at bypassing it with ridicule is pathetic.

Your implied allegations against Chris Mortensen (that he cooked up the 11 out of 12 number as well as the unofficial quotes from the league) who is usually a very reliable source are kinda funny when you at the same time preach innocent until proven guilty. Say what you want about the integrity of journalism, but I doubt he would be long employed by the ESPN if he fabricated stories.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 21 2015 10:13 GMT
#6500
All i said is that you can't call the Patriots guilty until an official statement by the NFL has been released.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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