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On January 16 2015 06:20 giftdgecko wrote:
Pioli also improved that roster every year he was there as far as I can tell. The contract to Cassell was terrible and the HC didn't end up being right, but he made a pretty good rebuild and added a lot of talent to a pretty terrible team. I am not sure what more you could want from him.
He inherited a very talented and young roster thanks to some good drafts by Herm Edwards, but Pioli completed ruined it. He had four solid picks: Eric Berry who anyone would've picked, Dontari Poe (Romeo Crennel's choice), and Justin Houston, who was a solid pick. I'll give him Allen Bailey as a decent pick as well. His free agency signings were terrible. Most of all, he completely ruined the spirit of the franchise. Everything was micromanaged, he once found a candy wrapper on some stairs somewhere in the building and set up a meeting to yell at everyone about it. The team's Twitter account was insulting fans. They suddenly had new security at the games; their job was simply to intimidate fans (they mysteriously disappeared when Dorsey took over). Kansas City isn't exactly a city that the media writes about a lot, so I don't think people realize how messed up the organization was. People can say bad things about Andy Reid, and he certainly has his downfalls, but he's completely turned this franchise around with the way he acts and how he treats his players.
It pains me to see Pioli even get another chance cause he doesn't deserve one.
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Capitalizing on every team's desire not to see good players fall through the cracks, the league will introduce a veteran combine set to begin this March in Arizona. In a memo sent out by NFL director of football development Matt Birk, obtained by NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the venture will "serve to isolate and consolidate veteran free-agent talent for more focused evaluation on a comparative basis." In the past, veteran free agents were welcome at regional combines, another initiative created as a failsafe for potential NFL talent. However, this year, at the end of March just prior to league meetings, roughly 100 veteran free agents will be chosen through the application process to work out in front of representatives from all 32 teams. Source: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000459232/article/nfl-will-hold-veteran-free-agent-combine-in-march
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Spin off idea: combine for all rostered players as well, if only for the fun of being able to compare 40 times of glacial QBs.
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Rivers vs. P. Manning, Brady vs. E. Manning.
Who's fastest!?
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On January 16 2015 06:25 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 06:18 On_Slaught wrote:
Who sets up a giant press conference off campus just to say you're coming back to school? Why set one up in general? What a tool.
He's a liar too. "Football has always been a stepping stone for my education" when he said literally the opposite 2 years ago. That's a guy I'm gonna want to draft in a few years, a guy who sets up a presser just to say he's returning. Mature.
Can't tell if your post is sarcastic, but the kid did say right after the game that his personal opinion is that he's not ready. I don't think it was his idea to make this a press conference type decision, it was made one because the media machine got rolling after his title win and the 3 game performance, and while it isn't the icon of maturity to just follow along with the hoopla I can't blame the kid for saying ok to it and getting in front of the camera to say "Ya I'm coming back to school."
Also every report I've heard from within the team is that Jones has seriously changed his attitude since making that tweet about '[playing] school' in large part because of Urban Meyer's influence.
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On January 16 2015 07:37 Souma wrote:
Rivers vs. P. Manning, Brady vs. E. Manning.
Who's fastest!?
ive got foles being slower than all of them
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On January 16 2015 07:49 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 06:25 AgentW wrote:On January 16 2015 06:18 On_Slaught wrote:
Who sets up a giant press conference off campus just to say you're coming back to school? Why set one up in general? What a tool.
He's a liar too. "Football has always been a stepping stone for my education" when he said literally the opposite 2 years ago. That's a guy I'm gonna want to draft in a few years, a guy who sets up a presser just to say he's returning. Mature. Can't tell if your post is sarcastic, but the kid did say right after the game that his personal opinion is that he's not ready. I don't think it was his idea to make this a press conference type decision, it was made one because the media machine got rolling after his title win and the 3 game performance, and while it isn't the icon of maturity to just follow along with the hoopla I can't blame the kid for saying ok to it and getting in front of the camera to say "Ya I'm coming back to school." Also every report I've heard from within the team is that Jones has seriously changed his attitude since making that tweet about '[playing] school' in large part because of Urban Meyer's influence.
It was sarcastic. It just feels like a waste of everyone's time. I also don't like the false hype. Probably just me.
He's probably a decent kid and has likely matured, and all 22 year olds make dumb decisions, I just found this one off putting.
On January 16 2015 07:57 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 07:37 Souma wrote:
Rivers vs. P. Manning, Brady vs. E. Manning.
Who's fastest!? ive got foles being slower than all of them
I watched Kyle Orton play this year and think he may take it. It was like watching a guy run in cement.
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I dunno, Rivers is awfully slow. The guy has no knees. ;;
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Ryan Mallett had like a 5.4 40 time. Let him race
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I wonder if Rivers could even finish a 40. Feel like he'd just keel over as his knees give out.
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Let's be real guys, the only people who will actually participate in the vet combine will be over the hill people who are total desperate for work
also, all three of those OSU qbs will bust. Urban Meyer is the king of producing awesome college qbs who bomb in the nfl
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I remember when Jeff Tedford had that title before Aaron Rodgers ruined it.
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Tebow wasn't a bust. He won a playoff game
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On January 16 2015 06:20 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 05:54 GoShox wrote:On January 15 2015 23:41 Zdrastochye wrote:
What are the chances McDaniels gets a HC job (maybe Chicago?) after this season? He failed pretty spectacularly in Denver, and only looks good when his offense is ran by Tom Brady, but he's garnished interest before and has shown that he wants a HC position. If Bill were closer to retirement he'd stick around but that doesn't appear to be happening in the near future. Perhaps in Atlanta, where Dimitroff is GM and Pioli is an assistant GM. Wouldn't surprise me to see them hire McDaniels. Pioli single-handedly ruined Kansas City, and I don't even understand why Atlanta would want him anywhere in their organization. But once you see that the current GM is a former Patriot, it makes a little bit more sense. People from the Patriots organization tend to stick together, and there's one thing that's true about almost all of them: they better thank Tom Brady for their job every night, cause without him they'd be way out of the NFL by now. McDaniels is shit and nobody in NE actually likes him, he loses more games with his play calling than he wins. Good luck to any team that hires him, NE will be better without him. Pioli also improved that roster every year he was there as far as I can tell. The contract to Cassell was terrible and the HC didn't end up being right, but he made a pretty good rebuild and added a lot of talent to a pretty terrible team. I am not sure what more you could want from him. I love a lot of those players on SF, sad to hear how terrible things are being run.
Pioli was decent in KC. He wasn't great, but he wasn't as bad as GoShox makes him out to be.
http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2014/1/30/5357540/analyzing-scott-piolis-talent-evaluation
That's a pretty solid break down of his drafting.
McDaniels had success with Cassel as his QB, and Kyle Orton looked like a damn rock star in McDaniels first year in Denver. He threw for 3802, 21 TDs, 12 INTs in his first year, and in the second year he threw for 3653, 20 TDs, and 9 INTs. McDaniels problem was that he was given control of personnel, and he absolutely gutted the team of talent in favor of character. That's the reason why the Broncos have Demaryus Thomas instead of Dez Bryant (much to my shagrin!). Every team needs some guys with good character to keep the locker room in order, but it needs talent more than that, and he got rid of all of it, and made terrible draft choices (Knowshon Moreno at 12, wtf...).
And don't get me wrong about D. Thomas, I think he's a good player, but his lack of physicality, and his mental lapses have absolutely killed the team for the past three seasons. He's had some major fuck-ups, mostly in the form of critical drops because he takes his eye off the ball, looking to make a big play before he's caught the damn thing. He's too easily shut down by physical DBs, too. The worst thing I've ever heard about a player in any sport was that he feared facing Talib in the playoffs after their regular season dual. It was right then that I knew they couldn't beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl if they beat the Patriots because if he feared Talib, Sherman would destroy him. And Sherman and the rest of the LOB wrecked the Broncos in that game.
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HOLY FUCK IT'S SWEETLEMONS.
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On January 16 2015 08:57 QuanticHawk wrote:
Let's be real guys, the only people who will actually participate in the vet combine will be over the hill people who are total desperate for work
also, all three of those OSU qbs will bust. Urban Meyer is the king of producing awesome college qbs who bomb in the nfl
That's because his system doesn't require them to make difficult passes. It's like 1, 2, run. If a WR doesn't beat the DB by 5-10 yards, run. I mean, seriously, if you give any college player that can throw the ball with reasonable accuracy 40-50 yards down field 3-4 seconds to find the WR, and 5-10 yards to make a mistake in, they'll look like a decent QB. Put them under pressure in under 3 seconds, and force them to throw into windows tighter than a nun's cunt, and suddenly they look like the huge piles of shit that they are (as quarterbacks).
Teblow was okay when he made throws over the middle to wide open players 5-15 yards down field, but anything more than that, and he couldn't get the ball near the target. And he wanted to stay in the pros, what a douche. (I say about the guy that has more money than I'll make in the next ten years probably. Sad stuff...)
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On January 16 2015 16:01 Souma wrote:
HOLY FUCK IT'S SWEETLEMONS.
I needed tech help, and this is the only forum at which I don't have to create a new account. haha.
[EDIT: Fuck this is long... it's pretty much a few weeks worth of thoughts all spewed in one post though.]
Some random things I've thought about lately:
Denver:
What a disappointing year. It's a shame that Peyton couldn't come close to the WRs down field against the Colts, or that game would have been a blowout. Sanders had guys beat deep all day, but Peyton couldn't deliver the package. I know the thigh thing was a major problem for him, and it's probably the reason he couldn't get the power correct on those throws, but part of me kind of wants him gone. How many times can he fail in the playoffs before it's just him being bad in the playoffs? I guess he was good the previous two years, though. I don't blame the Ravens loss on him, and the Super Bowl was a train wreck from top to bottom, so I don't put that entirely on him either. Any time he would start to get a beat on the Seahawks, some moron would pick up a penalty and ruin the drive. Whatever... it's over, and I'm just hoping that Elway brings in a coach that can get the team to the top finally.
Chicago:
I think I like the Ryan Pace hire, but I'm not sure. I don't think that New Orleans has done a great job of acquiring talent over the past five years or so. Their defense is a wasteland, and who do they have on offense except Graham and Brees? Colston is his usual middling-self, and their HB whose name escapes me finally started to show some promise. The tragedy in New Orleans is that they never realized that Pierre Thomas is the best HB they've had for the past five years. So anyway, all of that really makes me leery about this guy.
The coaching spot is supposedly going to Fox; that's all anyone will talk about on the radio. I fear the Fox is the hot name because he's the opposite of Marc Trestman. I fear that Fox just isn't the right guy to get the job done. I fear that he's the answer for now, but not the answer for five years from now, just like he was in Denver. I don't know if I posted about it then, but I didn't like the hire in Denver. Maybe my perception of the process is different than other people's perception, though. I understand NFL teams want to win the Super Bowl every year, but I think they need to be a little bit more realistic about their teams. I don't think the Bears are a real contender in the near future, so I wonder if Fox is the right person to come in right now. Of course, no one wants to be the Raiders, but wouldn't we all love for our team to be the Niners and Seahawks? Suck for five or six years, amass ridiculous amounts of talent during that time with high draft picks, and then dominate the league for 4-5 years?
If I'm the guy hiring the Bears next head coach, I'm looking for the next Bill Bellicheck, or Pete Carroll, and I know that's not John Fox.
That's not to say he's a horrible choice, though. He certainly brings good qualities to the team, and his failures in Carolina can't be blamed entirely on him. A coach goes as far as the talent he's coaching, and he didn't have much talent in his last couple of years in Carolina. He brought the team to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme, and I can't overlook that in my evaluation. What I like about him is that he's strong-willed, and he knows how to handle a locker room when the team underperforms. He did that well in Carolina from what I've heard. He certainly has the two most vital qualities for a head coach, in my opinion: 1) the ability to motivate players to play hard every week, and 2) the ability to construct a great coaching staff. Lovie Smith only had quality 1, Trestman had neither quality.
Fox has proven his ability to find coordinators that will adapt their system to the talent, rather than trying to force players into a system that does not work for them. I think he'd get a lot more out of Cutler than any of the coaches who have worked with Cutler in Chicago. They all tried to force their systems on him, and it didn't work out. We know that Cutler can win in the NFL, and that he can win big games with the right support. It's well said to say that they can win with Cutler, but not because of Cutler. He's proven over the last couple of years that he is not in the same category as Rodgers, Manning, and Brady, but he doesn't need to be, either. You know who else isn't in that class? Ben, Eli, and Flacco. Yet those guys have five of the last 10 or so Super Bowls.
So I'm interested in what will happen in Chicago, but I'm not holding my breath for any kind of quick turn around.
I would like to add that I perfectly analyzed Trestman before he came to the Bears. I looked at his stats as an OC, and I said "wow, this guy's teams put up a lot of yards, but they don't score many points, except in that one year with Rich Gannon, and there's a pretty massive drop off year after year with him too... I don't understand the hype on this guy." Now I'm hearing on the radio that it's not coincidental that he's never been with a team more than about three years, and that no one has that much bad luck. I feel good about myself because of it, but I guess it doesn't really matter.
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I think that people should not discount the possibility of Philly trading up to get Mariota if he doesn't go at 2. It depends on the price tag, but I have to think that Kelly would love to have him. I can't imagine that Foles remains highly revered after his awful performance this season, which would make the leash pretty short next season, I should think.
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