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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2015 07:47 Odawg27 wrote: Not sure how your 'welcome to being a Lions fan' is supposed to come across. Is it you being vindictive for last week? Or is it more of a "yeah I know how you feel about a tough loss". Most Lions fans I've come across aren't that kind. So what is a "football move", if reaching out for the end zone is not one? Also Calvin Johnson's rule was a getting up in celebration after he caught it. Not a football move (still in my opinion should've been a touchdown). The first time CJ got hit with the CJ rule, it was that. The second (or third?) time it was very similar - gets 2 legs down, falls forward and reaches out to cross the goal line, ground causes the ball to loosen from his grip but he retains it. No TD. And yes, I'm being vindictive. It was Garrett's playcallng and the defense that cost them the game. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 12 2015 09:49 Jaaaaasper wrote: So looks like Peyton might be done. Hes been bad since the mid season. Now all the Peyton fans will go back to being colt fans and luck right? Pats fans trying to bury Manning since 2011. Classy as always. How about we give it an off-season? It's not like Broncos have a prodigy waiting and even the most ridiculous critic of him would find it impossible to name more than 5 QBs that are currently better than him in the league. And then there is the irony of a pats fan implying that other fans might be bandwagon fans................. EDIT: In Denmark Pats are probably the biggest band wagon team of all. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On January 12 2015 09:56 Ghostcom wrote: Pats fans trying to bury Manning since 2011. Classy as always. How about we give it an off-season? It's not like Broncos have a prodigy waiting and even the most ridiculous critic of him would find it impossible to name more than 5 QBs that are currently better than him in the league. And then there is the irony of a pats fan implying that other fans might be bandwagon fans................. EDIT: In Denmark Pats are probably the biggest band wagon team of all. Wilson, Luck, Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 12 2015 09:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Wilson, Luck, Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers. Now name the sixth. EDIT: Are you serious with Big Ben? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:00 Ghostcom wrote: Now name the sixth. EDIT: Are you serious with Big Ben? Romo. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
hell at this point I bet the coach is considering adding a new position to the offense; the guy that moves Peytons wheelchair around... edit: Yeah Im serious with Big Ben. I just dont think manning is top tier anymore. he cant play a full season and have something left in the tank come playoffs. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On January 12 2015 09:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Wilson, Luck, Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers. You'd list Ben Roethlisberger higher than manning? A decent to pretty damn convincing case can be made for and of the other 4 but how the hell do you list Ben Roethlisberger? This list is just a "what have you done for me lately" thing and Ben's done nothing. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:04 Orcasgt24 wrote: You'd list Ben Roethlisberger higher than manning? A decent to pretty damn convincing case can be made for and of the other 4 but how the hell do you list Ben Roethlisberger? This list is just a "what have you done for me lately" thing and Ben's done nothing. steelers offense was really good this year | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:03 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Smith, Rivers, Flacco, Romo. hell at this point I bet the coach is considering adding a new position to the offense; the guy that moves Peytons wheelchair around... edit: Yeah Im serious with Big Ben. I just dont think manning is top tier anymore. he cant play a full season and have something left in the tank come playoffs. The same argument can be made for Big Ben and he had an even worse regular season.... I seriously don't get your argumentation. Had you said Romo/Flacco instead of him you might have had a point. Romo had a great season. Flacco a great post-season (but was pretty sad during the regular, hence I would rank him behind Manning). EDIT: The Steelers offence was good because of Bell, not Big Ben. EDIT2: Just saw that you actually ranked Alex Smith higher than Manning. I think I'll go to bed before I injure myself from laughing. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:09 Ghostcom wrote: EDIT: The Steelers offence was good because of Bell, not Big Ben. I think this a pretty narrow conception of how a quarterback can play his position and how it changes relative to to the style of the offense being run. La'Veon Bell and Big Ben work together quite well in terms of how they mitigate defensive prioritizations and extend plays. Big Ben is certainly an unorthodox choice for top level QB, but I think you can make a compelling case for it given that you aren't looking for a standard passing quarterback. Edit: I'll note again, and not that I'm saying you play fantasy, Ghostcom, that fascinations with certain stats can oftentimes get in the way of truly appreciating how different styles of positional play can be equally "good" and yet yield different sets of oftentimes over-compared numbers. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:06 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: steelers offense was really good this year With over 200 less yards passing during the season than Big Ben, Manning threw 7 more touchdowns. The Broncos scored 46 more points total and while irrelevant to this, allowed 16 less points. Really the only category Big Ben crushed Manning is in INT (Bens 6 vs Mannings 15) | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
ofc he can still burn you with 7 tds in week 1. but the game looked too fast for him today and his wobbly passes were off. Just not convinced he is still top tier. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:20 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Manning has a crazy offense around him but failed to score 14 points on the Colt's d at home... ofc he can still burn you with 7 tds in week 1. but the game looked too fast for him today and his wobbly passes were off. Just not convinced he is still top tier. I feel this is a woeful misrepresentation of what happened in today's game. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On January 12 2015 09:56 Ghostcom wrote: Pats fans trying to bury Manning since 2011. Classy as always. How about we give it an off-season? It's not like Broncos have a prodigy waiting and even the most ridiculous critic of him would find it impossible to name more than 5 QBs that are currently better than him in the league. And then there is the irony of a pats fan implying that other fans might be bandwagon fans................. EDIT: In Denmark Pats are probably the biggest band wagon team of all. You do realize that he almost didn't comeback last year, and then he got boo'd on his way out of the stadium. I don't think hes done talent wise, I just think hes going to retire. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:30 giftdgecko wrote: Manning at <100% is still a much better option than anything else available to the broncos. I don't think he's worth the contract he has now though, especially with some contracts coming up and some good players wanting to get their pay day. If Manning comes back he may be asked to take a paycut, which would unfortunately mean more commercials with his awkward acting I think I am a Manning fan. I believe Manning > Brady, historically, and I honestly don't think its close (because the Pats are 10-1500x as good as the Colts, as an organization). That said, Manning is not Manning, and its really a shame that the two best teams he ever played for have come when he was in his late 30s, and this time he really hasn't even been there for the last 8 weeks. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:12 farvacola wrote: I think this a pretty narrow conception of how a quarterback can play his position and how it changes relative to to the style of the offense being run. La'Veon Bell and Big Ben work together quite well in terms of how they mitigate defensive prioritizations and extend plays. Big Ben is certainly an unorthodox choice for top level QB, but I think you can make a compelling case for it given that you aren't looking for a standard passing quarterback. Edit: I'll note again, and not that I'm saying you play fantasy, Ghostcom, that fascinations with certain stats can oftentimes get in the way of truly appreciating how different styles of positional play can be equally "good" and yet yield different sets of oftentimes over-compared numbers. I'm not particularly fascinated by stats (and especially not fantasy-points, I don't play) - I just don't see Big Ben being in competition for top 5. Of course Bell and Ben work together, but remove Bell and you see the Steelers offence produce a wild-card game like they did which coupled with the inconsistent season makes the case a lot less compelling. I think Peyton might chose to retire, but I think it'll come down to the nature of injury that seems to have plagued him the last couple of games. If the body is at all capable he will come back. The only thing the booing will result in is that Peyton, when the time comes, will retire a Colt. EDIT: Promise, this was the last post for tonight - teeth have been brushed and everything. Now off to dream of the glorious victory by the Colts :p | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:40 cLutZ wrote: I think I am a Manning fan. I believe Manning > Brady, historically, and I honestly don't think its close (because the Pats are 10-1500x as good as the Colts, as an organization). That said, Manning is not Manning, and its really a shame that the two best teams he ever played for have come when he was in his late 30s, and this time he really hasn't even been there for the last 8 weeks. (As a pats fan) I disagree whole heartedly that Manning is better, because of the HOF WR's Manning played with and the fact that Brady's numbers in the playoffs are crazy. Pats organization is better than the Colts? Sure. But those offenses were stacked many years. Manning is a great QB that showed Brady how to be a better QB with his innovative style at the line, but Brady has done more with less weapons and in many years an inferior O line (I don't think it was ever better). IF manning wants to play he will because realistically in the NFL there are always at least 15 teams that need to find a franchise QB to run the ship | ||
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