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Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
March 01 2014 00:29 GMT
#661
Haven't posted here in a while, because I did not want to until I got through the 60 kg threshold. This wednesday I weighed 60,7, so my initial goal is accomplished, but I won't set anything new for me, aside from trying to hold my weight.

I cheated a bit, buying 2x1kg of calorie shake; I was 57,7 when first bought it, and the 60,7 was the day after I finished the second 1kg, so I'll be curious how much can I maintain by Monday. Now, before you judge, I've been getting a tooth of mine pulled every 2 weeks (and will be for at least 2 more times), which meant for 2 days I could only ate like a slice of bread in 2 hours with some painkillers. Also, if your main extra calories are from milk and cheese, then you are also fucked for at least a week. I eat more now, though I'm pretty much switching between the same 2-3 foods with snacks (chips, peanut) and the occasional bananas. I thought I touched God's leg, when I saw that 100g mayonnaise has like 600+ calories in it, too bad I wasn't told that mayonnaise sucks ass.

People say my face got bigger (I can't see it and don't know if I should be happy with it, haha), and my arms and chest are drastically different, howewer my belly got bigger. My trainer said if I dare to start with the "I should lose some weight" talk he'd kill me, but how am I gonna burn the fat from there?! It's nice that my stomach aches from situps, but it does stuff under the fat, so it doesn't really help. I can't really see my back, and wouldn't even know what to look for there, so I'm just gonna assume it looks good, and the same goes for my legs, except I can see them. They are definetly there, but that's all.

As for the main exercises and where I am with them:
Bench press: 6x45, but I'm confiden I could do 47,5 by Monday.
Squat: 5x60; I can feel I could do more, but it's still the most terryfying exercise for me. I failed benching one, and I had no one to spot, so I had to roll it over me, but it was nothing compared to the one time I wasn't concentraing enough during squatting, lost form, and the weight almost twisted my right arm. Jesus, that hurt, but I managed to not to drop it, and put the weight back. Now I use those metal pipes, so in theory if I were to drop the weight, they would stop it, but that doesn't really make me comfortable. People don't really spot for squats there (most of the squatters are on the smith machine anyway), and I wouldn't drag 2 people to me to stop and stare every time I decide to squat. So yeah, I'm not quite sure how to move up yet.
Deadlift: 5x60 - that' around the most I can do 5 with, but my problem here is that it's killing my hands. I switched grip, and it helped at 40, but now it sucks again. I don't know if buying a glove would worth it. I mean, I don't want to look like an idiot, who buys a glove just to look professional, when I just wanted to ease the pain, but at the end it would hurt all the same, haha.

That's all the heavylifting I do. The bench press and squat are done 98% of the times, sometimes I leave out deadlift due to time constraints.

My newest misery is that the side of my lower arms are hurting like hell; it feels like there's an extra bone in there that just wouldn't move, so if I try to lift my arms, it says "fuck you". The coach said I stressed it too much, but I don't do any heavy activities besides working out 3 times a week, so I don't know. And guess what's the only exercise it hinders greatly: biceps curls. I had to skip it for like a month due to my injury, and now this. I should do another biceps exercise...

Aaaaand big guys are indeed helpful and friendly. The other day I was told that my deadlift form is nice. Hah! It was nice to know I'm murdering my hands for a reason. Also, the coach praised the source where I got the idea to squat and deadlift from, so that's for you guys! He said newcomers usually not willing to do these. I tried to convince my cousin to do squats, but he's already amused by his upper body, and I can't really say why should he do them. He rather took up two other leg exercises, even though he read it himself squats are good, I told him you (experienced) guys said it's good, and the coach said it's good. To be honest, I don't know why it's good either, because all I've experienced since heavy squatting is that I can't walk (no joke, I'm literally unable to walk fast longer than like 35-40 seconds, then my legs just paralyze on the middle of the street), but I #believe.

And if you brought up the girls... I know I'm there to do the exercises, and there are a million posters on the wall that says shut the fuck up and train, but the majority of the girls are wearing asstight leggings and some T-shirt that's barely not pierced by their boobs. And they do the exercises with 0 plus weights. Come ON. I'm trying to relax between sets, and then I can't look anywhere, cuz I either see bottoms, tits, or the previous two in one of the mirrors. The only exceptions are some of the mature women, and the girls who trying to lose weight. I never saw a girl doing bench for example, though I'm not quite sure what chest exercises would do for them... still, it's annoying that most of them don't do anything. Oh, and don't get me started with the exercises you only see done by girls. Like that one where they sit in, and spread their legs. Good fucking luck resting between benches.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 01 2014 00:36 GMT
#662
On February 28 2014 23:27 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 23:16 decafchicken wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1z5gwy/we_may_never_know/

Holy shit. Literally the entire general public has no idea what a snatch or clean and jerk is, and the ones that do think they are EXTREMELY dangerous. Like 'holy shit why are you power cleaning stop now before you snap your arms off'

I don't want to live on this planet anymore


Honestly what do you expect from the general population who browses AdviceAnimals.

My favorite quote/saying (and I really wish I could find the source) is something like "Find what everyone is doing, and do the exact opposite." and it applies to so many areas of life. The road less walked is very often the better one, because if what everyone was doing was the best way then everyone would be getting the results.


Yeah the general public commonly holds onto erroneous beliefs born of misunderstanding. For example, look at this topical Slate article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/08/15/orange_is_the_new_black_on_road_less_traveled_show_gets_robert_frost_poem.html
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 01 2014 00:43 GMT
#663
On March 01 2014 09:29 Volband wrote:
Haven't posted here in a while, because I did not want to until I got through the 60 kg threshold. This wednesday I weighed 60,7, so my initial goal is accomplished, but I won't set anything new for me, aside from trying to hold my weight.

I cheated a bit, buying 2x1kg of calorie shake; I was 57,7 when first bought it, and the 60,7 was the day after I finished the second 1kg, so I'll be curious how much can I maintain by Monday. Now, before you judge, I've been getting a tooth of mine pulled every 2 weeks (and will be for at least 2 more times), which meant for 2 days I could only ate like a slice of bread in 2 hours with some painkillers. Also, if your main extra calories are from milk and cheese, then you are also fucked for at least a week. I eat more now, though I'm pretty much switching between the same 2-3 foods with snacks (chips, peanut) and the occasional bananas. I thought I touched God's leg, when I saw that 100g mayonnaise has like 600+ calories in it, too bad I wasn't told that mayonnaise sucks ass.

People say my face got bigger (I can't see it and don't know if I should be happy with it, haha), and my arms and chest are drastically different, howewer my belly got bigger. My trainer said if I dare to start with the "I should lose some weight" talk he'd kill me, but how am I gonna burn the fat from there?! It's nice that my stomach aches from situps, but it does stuff under the fat, so it doesn't really help. I can't really see my back, and wouldn't even know what to look for there, so I'm just gonna assume it looks good, and the same goes for my legs, except I can see them. They are definetly there, but that's all.

As for the main exercises and where I am with them:
Bench press: 6x45, but I'm confiden I could do 47,5 by Monday.
Squat: 5x60; I can feel I could do more, but it's still the most terryfying exercise for me. I failed benching one, and I had no one to spot, so I had to roll it over me, but it was nothing compared to the one time I wasn't concentraing enough during squatting, lost form, and the weight almost twisted my right arm. Jesus, that hurt, but I managed to not to drop it, and put the weight back. Now I use those metal pipes, so in theory if I were to drop the weight, they would stop it, but that doesn't really make me comfortable. People don't really spot for squats there (most of the squatters are on the smith machine anyway), and I wouldn't drag 2 people to me to stop and stare every time I decide to squat. So yeah, I'm not quite sure how to move up yet.
Deadlift: 5x60 - that' around the most I can do 5 with, but my problem here is that it's killing my hands. I switched grip, and it helped at 40, but now it sucks again. I don't know if buying a glove would worth it. I mean, I don't want to look like an idiot, who buys a glove just to look professional, when I just wanted to ease the pain, but at the end it would hurt all the same, haha.

That's all the heavylifting I do. The bench press and squat are done 98% of the times, sometimes I leave out deadlift due to time constraints.

My newest misery is that the side of my lower arms are hurting like hell; it feels like there's an extra bone in there that just wouldn't move, so if I try to lift my arms, it says "fuck you". The coach said I stressed it too much, but I don't do any heavy activities besides working out 3 times a week, so I don't know. And guess what's the only exercise it hinders greatly: biceps curls. I had to skip it for like a month due to my injury, and now this. I should do another biceps exercise...

Aaaaand big guys are indeed helpful and friendly. The other day I was told that my deadlift form is nice. Hah! It was nice to know I'm murdering my hands for a reason. Also, the coach praised the source where I got the idea to squat and deadlift from, so that's for you guys! He said newcomers usually not willing to do these. I tried to convince my cousin to do squats, but he's already amused by his upper body, and I can't really say why should he do them. He rather took up two other leg exercises, even though he read it himself squats are good, I told him you (experienced) guys said it's good, and the coach said it's good. To be honest, I don't know why it's good either, because all I've experienced since heavy squatting is that I can't walk (no joke, I'm literally unable to walk fast longer than like 35-40 seconds, then my legs just paralyze on the middle of the street), but I #believe.

And if you brought up the girls... I know I'm there to do the exercises, and there are a million posters on the wall that says shut the fuck up and train, but the majority of the girls are wearing asstight leggings and some T-shirt that's barely not pierced by their boobs. And they do the exercises with 0 plus weights. Come ON. I'm trying to relax between sets, and then I can't look anywhere, cuz I either see bottoms, tits, or the previous two in one of the mirrors. The only exceptions are some of the mature women, and the girls who trying to lose weight. I never saw a girl doing bench for example, though I'm not quite sure what chest exercises would do for them... still, it's annoying that most of them don't do anything. Oh, and don't get me started with the exercises you only see done by girls. Like that one where they sit in, and spread their legs. Good fucking luck resting between benches.


Keep the faith friend. Eat more protein.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 01 2014 01:02 GMT
#664
@volband, don't worry on the "belly fat" you can cut it later when you learn how to eat & maintain a decent bodyweight. Just keep lifting, and lifting heavier. Eat more protein. If you've got crap like teeth pulling going on, then just do what you can, no one will judge you for it except yourself.

Are you doing your curls with a barbell? I like hammer curls the most, and EZ bar curls MAYBE when it comes to working biceps. Anything else, in my experience just ends up with stress injuries after a couple weeks. Also when I'm having problems anywhere around my elbows (especially triceps) reverse curls with an ezbar seem to help me sort it out. See if you can do those for like 3x10 at the end of 1 or 2 workouts/week. For girls in the gym.... eh. Do your thing let them do theirs. Like you said you can't help but see it, but just focus on your own workout and get shit done!


One of our shitty old barbells finally broke last week, and they replaced it by purchasing two new Texas power bars (to go with the two they already had) and two York 32110's (oly bearing bar). Not quite Eleiko, but it's some nice new stuff! Too bad the Yorks are going to get beat to shit by 50 baseball players dropping 225 deadlifts from their waist 30 times each. I don't think a single one of them has made a single pound of progress since they started lifting in september =(. Their programing is fine, it's basically Crossfit Football stuff, but their coach never really explained anything to them.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
March 01 2014 01:44 GMT
#665
On March 01 2014 09:36 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 23:27 Najda wrote:
On February 28 2014 23:16 decafchicken wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1z5gwy/we_may_never_know/

Holy shit. Literally the entire general public has no idea what a snatch or clean and jerk is, and the ones that do think they are EXTREMELY dangerous. Like 'holy shit why are you power cleaning stop now before you snap your arms off'

I don't want to live on this planet anymore


Honestly what do you expect from the general population who browses AdviceAnimals.

My favorite quote/saying (and I really wish I could find the source) is something like "Find what everyone is doing, and do the exact opposite." and it applies to so many areas of life. The road less walked is very often the better one, because if what everyone was doing was the best way then everyone would be getting the results.


Yeah the general public commonly holds onto erroneous beliefs born of misunderstanding. For example, look at this topical Slate article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/08/15/orange_is_the_new_black_on_road_less_traveled_show_gets_robert_frost_poem.html

I kind of feel like a lot of this stems from Occam's razor, but maybe I'm wrong. I think people tend to act along the guidelines that if it's simple, it's probably the right answer.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
March 01 2014 03:14 GMT
#666
if your grip is weak then it helps if you think of the deadlift as a grip exercise. strong grip is awesome, so feel happy to be training it when you deadlift. (dont fuck around with different grips or gloves)

build up a good base strength before worrying about cutting. say like, "i will not worry about cutting weight until next february"

for biceps/arms you really want to start doing pullups (not chinups) as soon as possible

as your self respect and confidence grows, you will be less infatuated with other people/women around you
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 01 2014 10:18 GMT
#667
@Volband, great job so far. Your mentality seems to be on track. There's guides on how to safely fail a squat; you shouldn't really lose focus during it though. Try to get your mindset right before you squat so you don't get "bad" fails and you shouldn't need a spotter.

If you're uncomfortable moving up in weight, you could also do less reps at more weight or do more reps at the same weight. If your hands are truly hurting, see if there's an older bar at the gym that has less pronounced knurling. Also, take care of your hands; apply handcream every day untill the pain goes away (I've never had the problem though).
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
March 01 2014 10:55 GMT
#668
On March 01 2014 12:14 FFGenerations wrote:
if your grip is weak then it helps if you think of the deadlift as a grip exercise. strong grip is awesome, so feel happy to be training it when you deadlift. (dont fuck around with different grips or gloves)

build up a good base strength before worrying about cutting. say like, "i will not worry about cutting weight until next february"

for biceps/arms you really want to start doing pullups (not chinups) as soon as possible

as your self respect and confidence grows, you will be less infatuated with other people/women around you

The problem is that it erases my skin under my middle-, ring- and little finger and/or makes it hard there, like I've been working on a construction site. By other grip I meant the one that's even suggested as an alternative in the deadlift training videos, so nothing experimental.

Next february?:D I was hoping I could do sth with it by summer.

On March 01 2014 10:02 phyre112 wrote:
@volband, don't worry on the "belly fat" you can cut it later when you learn how to eat & maintain a decent bodyweight. Just keep lifting, and lifting heavier. Eat more protein. If you've got crap like teeth pulling going on, then just do what you can, no one will judge you for it except yourself.

Are you doing your curls with a barbell? I like hammer curls the most, and EZ bar curls MAYBE when it comes to working biceps. Anything else, in my experience just ends up with stress injuries after a couple weeks. Also when I'm having problems anywhere around my elbows (especially triceps) reverse curls with an ezbar seem to help me sort it out. See if you can do those for like 3x10 at the end of 1 or 2 workouts/week. For girls in the gym.... eh. Do your thing let them do theirs. Like you said you can't help but see it, but just focus on your own workout and get shit done!

I've tried it with everything, with different barbells, with dumbbells (not the hammer curls though) so after 2 months of training I'm still at the low end with biceps weights.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 01 2014 13:29 GMT
#669
On March 01 2014 19:55 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 12:14 FFGenerations wrote:
if your grip is weak then it helps if you think of the deadlift as a grip exercise. strong grip is awesome, so feel happy to be training it when you deadlift. (dont fuck around with different grips or gloves)

build up a good base strength before worrying about cutting. say like, "i will not worry about cutting weight until next february"

for biceps/arms you really want to start doing pullups (not chinups) as soon as possible

as your self respect and confidence grows, you will be less infatuated with other people/women around you

The problem is that it erases my skin under my middle-, ring- and little finger and/or makes it hard there, like I've been working on a construction site. By other grip I meant the one that's even suggested as an alternative in the deadlift training videos, so nothing experimental.

Next february?:D I was hoping I could do sth with it by summer.


I'm sure he meant next february just as an example. If I were you I'd probably get to 67.5 or 70kg and then worry about it.

For the different grip I'm assuming you mean mixed grip. That's not ideal but it's not a problem really. The word you're looking for in english for the rougher skin is "callous" or callouses. There's a video somewhere on "how to hold the bar" that will result in less pinched skin, and as a result less callouses, I'll see if I can look it up. You'll still get some, and honestly you should want to have some (again, imo.) File them down so they don't tear, and after a while you won't be bothered by it anymore.
On March 01 2014 19:55 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 10:02 phyre112 wrote:
@volband, don't worry on the "belly fat" you can cut it later when you learn how to eat & maintain a decent bodyweight. Just keep lifting, and lifting heavier. Eat more protein. If you've got crap like teeth pulling going on, then just do what you can, no one will judge you for it except yourself.

Are you doing your curls with a barbell? I like hammer curls the most, and EZ bar curls MAYBE when it comes to working biceps. Anything else, in my experience just ends up with stress injuries after a couple weeks. Also when I'm having problems anywhere around my elbows (especially triceps) reverse curls with an ezbar seem to help me sort it out. See if you can do those for like 3x10 at the end of 1 or 2 workouts/week. For girls in the gym.... eh. Do your thing let them do theirs. Like you said you can't help but see it, but just focus on your own workout and get shit done!

I've tried it with everything, with different barbells, with dumbbells (not the hammer curls though) so after 2 months of training I'm still at the low end with biceps weights.


Don't worry about going heavy with bicep exercises. Do what you can, get a nice pump. Do a weight that you will fail somewhere between 8 and 12 reps. No one is going to judge you for how much you do/do not curl. I found that my elbow/forearm pain and most of the individuals I've trained went away when they balanced out their brachioradialis (forarm muscle that goes up through the elbow) and biceps brachii (upper arm muscle that you think of when you say "bicep") which hammer curls will help you do. I recommend trying it. Plus who doesn't want sick forearms?

Be honest with yourself on what you can/can't do, give it 100% and move up when you're able to. Hell, I've been at this for 5 years now and if you look at my actual "progress" I'm a pathetic excuse for a lifter and a waste of a gym membership (lol 2 plate squat @ 195lb bw). I still love what I'm doing, I'm finally getting my shit together, and I'm proud of where I am. The only judges that matter are you and God, right?
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
March 01 2014 15:07 GMT
#670
Does using chalk for my deadlifts mean I'm not workin on my grip strength as much? I usually wait til my grip starts to fail to use chalk. I assume it's better than mixed grip.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
March 01 2014 16:08 GMT
#671
Nope, chalk away. Slippery hands train grip worse than dry hands.
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 01 2014 16:24 GMT
#672
It does @Najda assuming you use the same weight. However, you can probably pull more with chalk so I'd use that.
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autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
March 01 2014 16:55 GMT
#673
I personally use athletic tape and tape my thumb, index, and middle finger instead of using chalk. Then I hook grip everything. It takes some getting used to, but it seems to work better for me than to use chalk. Then again, it is expensive as hell, but I get free tape from the athletic trainer at my school since I know her pretty well.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 17:14:04
March 01 2014 17:13 GMT
#674
chalk is way better (than no chalk) coz you maintain an even grip and don't fuck around with half your fingers falling off and not getting the workout
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
March 01 2014 17:35 GMT
#675
On March 02 2014 02:13 FFGenerations wrote:
chalk is way better (than no chalk) coz you maintain an even grip and don't fuck around with half your fingers falling off and not getting the workout

Exactly; even if chalk is only adding one or two more reps, those extra reps are far more productive than accommodating a slippery grip.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
March 02 2014 16:51 GMT
#676
Made weigh ins by two minutes Lols. 100.72kg
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
March 02 2014 17:10 GMT
#677
gl decaf!
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
March 02 2014 20:01 GMT
#678
135 140x 142x and 165 170 175x
Locked out 175 but it got overturned! Son of a bitch, would have been a five kilo pr and my first lift with three reds. Will put up vids when I get them.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 20:17:38
March 02 2014 20:11 GMT
#679
So, I did deadlifting again yesterday, after taking the tips you guys gave me into account. Doing less reps with more kilos, as well as putting the bar back on the ground after each rep, ended up in bigger success, than I had initially with that exercise. A buddy of mine also lend me his lifting straps, so I was able to do 5 sets with 80kilos and ~6reps each, instead of 3 sets with ~10 reps each. Feels pretty good, as I am about to start to train properly again, after I've slacked off quite a lot during February. Now just need to stay motivated in order to eat properly and I'm a happy man.

I weigh 77kilo as of today, being 180cm tall. Trying to cut these days, aiming towards ~70kilos - I've had 72 at the end of January. A new goal I've set for myself is to participate in the tough mudder in Ocotober this year, while also passing my physio exams in july/august.
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March 02 2014 20:15 GMT
#680
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