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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 16 2014 22:40 decafchicken wrote: Just bitter I haven't PR'd since march and probably won't till next march lol You waste your time running around instead of lifting, that's why  I PR twice a year in the squat/bench/deadlift at best. I do bring up a quite variety of assistance lift in between (snatch and clean variations, various type of presses, front squat) | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On October 16 2014 23:28 Crushinator wrote: What does the snatch do for you Gotunk? Just curious. What doesn't the snatch do you for you? Shoulders/rotators, upper/middle/lower back, lats, quads, hips, and hamstrings all in one explosive movement. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 16 2014 23:41 decafchicken wrote: What doesn't the snatch do you for you? Shoulders/rotators, upper/middle/lower back, lats, quads, hips, and hamstrings all in one explosive movement. I get that the Snatch is a great movement, I was more curious about the reason a powerlifter specifically would do it since it seems it would cut into your recovery (also to some extent power cleans). | ||
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On October 16 2014 23:49 Crushinator wrote: I get that the Snatch is a great movement, I was more curious about the reason a powerlifter specifically would do it since it seems it would cut into your recovery (also to some extent power cleans). Everything technically cuts into recovery lol. You're either training or recovering. There's lots of carryover from snatch/cleans to power lifting. Explosive movements are great for increasing the power lifts (such a misnomer), you'll notice olympic lifters have very good deadlift/squat numbers. Just a different way to train the body. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 17 2014 00:07 decafchicken wrote: Everything technically cuts into recovery lol. You're either training or recovering. There's lots of carryover from snatch/cleans to power lifting. Explosive movements are great for increasing the power lifts (such a misnomer), you'll notice olympic lifters have very good deadlift/squat numbers. Just a different way to train the body. Well, yes, but obviously heavy Snatches are gonna wreck you quite a bit more than most other (assistance) movements. I geuss explosivity makes sense though. I hadn't really considered snatch as having much carryover. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On October 17 2014 00:23 Crushinator wrote: Well, yes, but obviously heavy Snatches are gonna wreck you quite a bit more than most other (assistance) movements. I geuss explosivity makes sense though. I hadn't really considered snatch as having much carryover. Depends how you train them. Any of the big multi joint barbell movements have the ability to wreck your body, but they're all also really good for pretty much everything. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 17 2014 00:07 decafchicken wrote: Everything technically cuts into recovery lol. You're either training or recovering. There's lots of carryover from snatch/cleans to power lifting. Explosive movements are great for increasing the power lifts (such a misnomer), you'll notice olympic lifters have very good deadlift/squat numbers. Just a different way to train the body. I'm a big believer on "stronger is stronger" withing a pretty wide margin. Klokov press, push press, OHP etc all help with my bench in a noticeable way. I have an "explosive day" where I do muscle/power snatch, power clean+push press (and some bb stuff later) I've found the oly lifts to be helpful on developing more lockout power, as they teach you to accelerate past the knees. FWIW I've found front squats, unlike every other human on this planet, completely useless for my back squat, as it turns into an exercise of not chocking myself while trying to avoid dropping the barbell foward rather than a leg workout. One important thing to note is that avoid doing the full oly lifts, and I think you should abstain from them unless you really work on your flexibility to do them properly. Catching heavy cleans without the proper flexibilty is an exelent way to wreck your knees. Just being able to do the movement is not flexible enough; you need a lot of extra flexibility so nothing blows up if (when) you catch in a suboptimal position. Klokov press, push press, OHP etc all help with my bench in a noticeable way. When competition comes I stop doing them and do more benching to improve technique. At some point I might cut out the explosive day completely aswell (or the front squats, god I hate them). | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
I also do all the presses I know about, and also hate front squats with a passion  | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On October 17 2014 04:38 Crushinator wrote: Thanks for that answer. I might at some point do some oly lifts for explosivity and lockout but I'm going to stick to what I know for now. Though the oly lifts seem really fun to do, so an excuse to do them is nice. I also do all the presses I know about, and also hate front squats with a passion If you don't want to do the full oly lifts you can do snatch grip deadlifts (really hit the back and traps/lats) or snatch pulls and power cleans for a less technical version but still explosive lift. | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
Worked up to 45 kg CJ...good things are about to happen. 50/100kg total before Christmas yo Photo from today's session, working on that rack: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lisEjeM.jpg) | ||
zatic
Zurich15328 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On October 17 2014 07:25 zatic wrote: Good thing: Gym started to enforce reracking weights. Bad thing: Gym started to enforce "carefully" setting down weight. You must go to the Planet Fitness of Europe  | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On October 17 2014 07:18 sJarl wrote: Had a great workout today, coach actually let us put some weight on the bars. Worked up to 45 kg CJ...good things are about to happen. 50/100kg total before Christmas yo Photo from today's session, working on that rack: + Show Spoiler + Getting there! | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 17 2014 06:19 decafchicken wrote: Front squats so good for you. You'll never meet anyone with a monster front squat that isn't an all around beast. If you don't want to do the full oly lifts you can do snatch grip deadlifts (really hit the back and traps/lats) or snatch pulls and power cleans for a less technical version but still explosive lift. Yeah I already do the snatch grip deadlifts, they are excellent. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15328 Posts
On October 17 2014 07:58 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: You must go to the Planet Fitness of Europe My gym is actually all kinds of awesome - so far. Let's see how serious they take the setting down weight thing. Generally I have been feeling really good about working out the last couple of weeks. If everything goes well I'll be topping my DL PR from two years ago tomorrow. I am also killing most workouts even though my life situation is terrible currently for fitness. I am traveling Germany -> Greece -> Italy -> Germany each week for work and only get to work out Friday or Thursday night after coming home and Sunday night before leaving again. But even the late night workouts are going reasonably well. I just feel like having lots of extra energy. I have also noticed I have something like an ab outline for the first time since my skinny years, one that is not just visible at certain angle bathroom mirror trick shots. It's really not important to me but of course a nice side effect. Here is to hoping the good streak continues so I can go kill it come skiing season. | ||
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