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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 21 2014 08:36 GMT
#2621
Kai lost. Sad times.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 21 2014 08:54 GMT
#2622
When deadlifting how rounded should my upper back be? I have a slight forward curve but I can't work out how to get rid of it, if in fact it shouldn't be there.

Also, had a break for like six weeks due to being sick and exams, lost so much strength. Back into it now and built back up to my previous strength, and my form has improved during the build-up. Been learning low-bar squat too, but the bar feels really insecure down there. Will I have to relearn that using lighter weights to get the form correct?
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Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
September 21 2014 09:02 GMT
#2623
I found my perfect spot during one of my topsets, you probably only need some minor adjustment.
http://animalpak.com/html/article_details.cfm?ID=682

I use the same spot as this guy. One of the best squat videos I've seen.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 21 2014 11:20 GMT
#2624
On September 21 2014 17:36 IgnE wrote:
Kai lost. Sad times.

Time for him to restart his G4P career.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 15:00:42
September 21 2014 14:19 GMT
#2625
this week went fine. my lifts are like -1 year or -2 years or whatever but they shot up from last week where i could barely do 5 reps at 40-45kg ohp. today ohp was pretty bad, i guess i am under-recovered, but the aux exercises were very good (8kg straight-to-the-side raises ~10 reps with no cheat must be a pb).

today i also tried forearm wrist curls using the triangle weight thing (sorry my brain shuts down) and the grip on those make them much easier to utilise then dumbbell wrist curls which are awkward as fuck, and they also seem to let you focus more on the forearm rather than the whole arm compared to the cable machine which can pull on your bicep and shoulder etc.

ankle mobility is coming along ok "considering". i haven't cheated with it once. i can do 50kg squats (actually i cant, my ankle are miles off the floor when im down) but will probs give it at least 1-2 months before thinking about putting weight on (i can balance on toes with 50kg and its great to stretch with). man that seems like forever *is exhausted*

my gym sessions, at least the ohp day takes like 2++ hours? im literally falling asleep and yawning etc in the 2nd half. and then do nothing the rest of the day. so maybe i need to fix that. (i probably left this morning at 11am and got in at 3pm after stopping at the shop....so yeah)

week 2:
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sunday
bp 80kg 33332, 70kg 4x5, 7, mob, pu 3x5, br, ab, dip

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off

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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 21 2014 14:46 GMT
#2626
2 hours is probably too long for a novice.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 21 2014 14:49 GMT
#2627
When do you stop doing SS? None of my lifts are particularly great (bench is around 160 3x5, squat is around 205-210 3x5, deadlift is around 315x5) but it's starting to get really taxing trying to do all 3 of those in a session. My OHP is around 110-115 3x5, and I don't do power cleans. It takes me up to an hour and a half on a day (most of that is squatting) just to get through a session. For a program with only three exercises, it seems that my body is taking a bit too long to recover. I'm also thinking about including front squats to bring up my lagging squat.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 21 2014 15:04 GMT
#2628
I am personally of the opinion that doing front squats in lieu of back squats to "bring up the backsquat" is not efficient unless you are already a squatting monster. If people don't like SS you can always switch to an upper-lower split.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 15:07:32
September 21 2014 15:06 GMT
#2629
i'd probably want to put dl on its own day when i pick up those lifts again. isnt ss like 1x5 dl or something
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 16:16:29
September 21 2014 16:13 GMT
#2630
On September 22 2014 00:04 IgnE wrote:
I am personally of the opinion that doing front squats in lieu of back squats to "bring up the backsquat" is not efficient unless you are already a squatting monster. If people don't like SS you can always switch to an upper-lower split.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean in lieu of back squats -- I meant in addition to. My quads are my weak point when it comes to squatting (although tbh probably everything is a weak point for me) and because I lift at home I thought that front squats were a good accessory for quad strength and core strength.

On September 22 2014 00:06 FFGenerations wrote:
i'd probably want to put dl on its own day when i pick up those lifts again. isnt ss like 1x5 dl or something

Yeah it is. I want to switch to something where I have a bit more leeway in terms of my lift choice (like Candito's program) but I need a program where it's only 3 days, maybe 4 days at most.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
September 21 2014 16:43 GMT
#2631
On September 22 2014 01:13 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 00:04 IgnE wrote:
I am personally of the opinion that doing front squats in lieu of back squats to "bring up the backsquat" is not efficient unless you are already a squatting monster. If people don't like SS you can always switch to an upper-lower split.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean in lieu of back squats -- I meant in addition to. My quads are my weak point when it comes to squatting (although tbh probably everything is a weak point for me) and because I lift at home I thought that front squats were a good accessory for quad strength and core strength.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 00:06 FFGenerations wrote:
i'd probably want to put dl on its own day when i pick up those lifts again. isnt ss like 1x5 dl or something

Yeah it is. I want to switch to something where I have a bit more leeway in terms of my lift choice (like Candito's program) but I need a program where it's only 3 days, maybe 4 days at most.


Have a look at Wendler's 5/3/1, you get to pick your accessories. I wouldn't go for front squats though, they are usually not done as accessories, but instead of back squats to switch it up a bit. There are bodybuilding templates for it.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 21 2014 17:06 GMT
#2632
I made solid progress on 5/3/1+BBB, although I would suggest replacing front squats by another leg exercise. It fits what you want though.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 22:18:10
September 21 2014 22:17 GMT
#2633
On September 22 2014 01:43 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:13 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On September 22 2014 00:04 IgnE wrote:
I am personally of the opinion that doing front squats in lieu of back squats to "bring up the backsquat" is not efficient unless you are already a squatting monster. If people don't like SS you can always switch to an upper-lower split.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean in lieu of back squats -- I meant in addition to. My quads are my weak point when it comes to squatting (although tbh probably everything is a weak point for me) and because I lift at home I thought that front squats were a good accessory for quad strength and core strength.

On September 22 2014 00:06 FFGenerations wrote:
i'd probably want to put dl on its own day when i pick up those lifts again. isnt ss like 1x5 dl or something

Yeah it is. I want to switch to something where I have a bit more leeway in terms of my lift choice (like Candito's program) but I need a program where it's only 3 days, maybe 4 days at most.


Have a look at Wendler's 5/3/1, you get to pick your accessories. I wouldn't go for front squats though, they are usually not done as accessories, but instead of back squats to switch it up a bit. There are bodybuilding templates for it.

Well here are some of the limitations:

-I lift in my basement
-I have almost no room to do anything but squat, bench, and deadlifting (can't do walking lunges or anything like that)
-I can only get to the gym on Fridays/Saturdays/Sundays, otherwise I'm stuck in my house
-I am ridiculously busy with school and college applications so I am basically working all day erry day from 7 to ~4:30 or 5, not including homework.

I thought about doing sumo deadlifts as a glute/quad accessory lift, but that seems like a lot of extra deadlifting and it seems like it would fry my CNS.

On September 22 2014 02:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I made solid progress on 5/3/1+BBB, although I would suggest replacing front squats by another leg exercise. It fits what you want though.

See the above. It's not that I necessarily think FS are the best leg exercise, but I don't have access to machines and there's not a whole lot else in the way of barbell leg exercises that are easily accessible to me.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 22 2014 06:52 GMT
#2634
On September 22 2014 07:17 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:43 Crushinator wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:13 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On September 22 2014 00:04 IgnE wrote:
I am personally of the opinion that doing front squats in lieu of back squats to "bring up the backsquat" is not efficient unless you are already a squatting monster. If people don't like SS you can always switch to an upper-lower split.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean in lieu of back squats -- I meant in addition to. My quads are my weak point when it comes to squatting (although tbh probably everything is a weak point for me) and because I lift at home I thought that front squats were a good accessory for quad strength and core strength.

On September 22 2014 00:06 FFGenerations wrote:
i'd probably want to put dl on its own day when i pick up those lifts again. isnt ss like 1x5 dl or something

Yeah it is. I want to switch to something where I have a bit more leeway in terms of my lift choice (like Candito's program) but I need a program where it's only 3 days, maybe 4 days at most.


Have a look at Wendler's 5/3/1, you get to pick your accessories. I wouldn't go for front squats though, they are usually not done as accessories, but instead of back squats to switch it up a bit. There are bodybuilding templates for it.

Well here are some of the limitations:

-I lift in my basement
-I have almost no room to do anything but squat, bench, and deadlifting (can't do walking lunges or anything like that)
-I can only get to the gym on Fridays/Saturdays/Sundays, otherwise I'm stuck in my house
-I am ridiculously busy with school and college applications so I am basically working all day erry day from 7 to ~4:30 or 5, not including homework.

I thought about doing sumo deadlifts as a glute/quad accessory lift, but that seems like a lot of extra deadlifting and it seems like it would fry my CNS.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 02:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I made solid progress on 5/3/1+BBB, although I would suggest replacing front squats by another leg exercise. It fits what you want though.

See the above. It's not that I necessarily think FS are the best leg exercise, but I don't have access to machines and there's not a whole lot else in the way of barbell leg exercises that are easily accessible to me.

You can do one step lunges, right? Step forward, stand up, step back, stand up etc. I'm in the same boat; college+grad school apps, a board position and rowing 7x+ per week. Keep at it man, and be honest to yourself how much time you really have.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
September 22 2014 09:21 GMT
#2635
On September 12 2014 22:41 zatic wrote:
Yeah, I really wished I would finally find someone competent enough to fix stuff like that. It's really not easy at all though. So many quacks out there.
And yeah I am not placing much hope on the doctor but I have just run out of things to try. I might get a prescription for another round of trying PTs at least.

Quick update on this: Doc actually was the right call. After I had described the symptoms the doc suspected an issue with my neck. Had an x-ray and yeah, two vertebrae were stuck in an awkward position. Doc snapped them back into place right away and my shoulder was better instantly. Was like night and day the next lifting session. Now I just hope the issue will not return as I am still kind of suspecting this came from general body imbalances I might have.
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 13:37:52
September 22 2014 13:36 GMT
#2636
On September 22 2014 07:17 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:43 Crushinator wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:13 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On September 22 2014 00:04 IgnE wrote:
I am personally of the opinion that doing front squats in lieu of back squats to "bring up the backsquat" is not efficient unless you are already a squatting monster. If people don't like SS you can always switch to an upper-lower split.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean in lieu of back squats -- I meant in addition to. My quads are my weak point when it comes to squatting (although tbh probably everything is a weak point for me) and because I lift at home I thought that front squats were a good accessory for quad strength and core strength.

On September 22 2014 00:06 FFGenerations wrote:
i'd probably want to put dl on its own day when i pick up those lifts again. isnt ss like 1x5 dl or something

Yeah it is. I want to switch to something where I have a bit more leeway in terms of my lift choice (like Candito's program) but I need a program where it's only 3 days, maybe 4 days at most.


Have a look at Wendler's 5/3/1, you get to pick your accessories. I wouldn't go for front squats though, they are usually not done as accessories, but instead of back squats to switch it up a bit. There are bodybuilding templates for it.

Well here are some of the limitations:

-I lift in my basement
-I have almost no room to do anything but squat, bench, and deadlifting (can't do walking lunges or anything like that)
-I can only get to the gym on Fridays/Saturdays/Sundays, otherwise I'm stuck in my house
-I am ridiculously busy with school and college applications so I am basically working all day erry day from 7 to ~4:30 or 5, not including homework.

I thought about doing sumo deadlifts as a glute/quad accessory lift, but that seems like a lot of extra deadlifting and it seems like it would fry my CNS.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 02:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I made solid progress on 5/3/1+BBB, although I would suggest replacing front squats by another leg exercise. It fits what you want though.

See the above. It's not that I necessarily think FS are the best leg exercise, but I don't have access to machines and there's not a whole lot else in the way of barbell leg exercises that are easily accessible to me.


My thought is that if it is difficult to do quad assistance work then it simply isn't worth doing, just squat. Assistance work is just something you do on the side, sounds like you should just worry about the main bit. Besides, it is unlikely that quads remain an obvious weakness as you become a more advanced lifter, regardless of what you do.

But if you can get to the gym once a week to do it, then it may be worth it.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
September 22 2014 18:14 GMT
#2637
On September 22 2014 18:21 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 22:41 zatic wrote:
Yeah, I really wished I would finally find someone competent enough to fix stuff like that. It's really not easy at all though. So many quacks out there.
And yeah I am not placing much hope on the doctor but I have just run out of things to try. I might get a prescription for another round of trying PTs at least.

Quick update on this: Doc actually was the right call. After I had described the symptoms the doc suspected an issue with my neck. Had an x-ray and yeah, two vertebrae were stuck in an awkward position. Doc snapped them back into place right away and my shoulder was better instantly. Was like night and day the next lifting session. Now I just hope the issue will not return as I am still kind of suspecting this came from general body imbalances I might have.


You're probably correct. Try to indentify and fix any imbalances to stop it from happening again. Also do soft tissue work with a lax ball if you can, if the muscles tighten up again it could pull you back out of place. Check out some kstarr neck vids.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 22 2014 23:27 GMT
#2638
Why does the beginning of a new training regimen invariably start with an injury?
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 22 2014 23:32 GMT
#2639
On September 23 2014 08:27 Jerubaal wrote:
Why does the beginning of a new training regimen invariably start with an injury?

Maybe you jumped in without stretching enough, proper warming up, or just had faulty motor patterns and didn't really give yourself time to feel out the rhythm of lifting.

Regardless, sucks that you got injured. Hope you have a speedy recovery.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
September 23 2014 02:01 GMT
#2640
Got drunk for 2 days straight (thursday and friday, national holidays) and spent 2 days trying not to die :D

Squat 142.5x9x4 (lol my cardio, almost passed out after first set)
BP(3 sec pause) 100kg x3 x5 x3, 110x3 x5 x3, 120x3 x5 x3, 130x1 (1 sec pause)

I'm done with oly lifting, I'll keep doing power clean/snatch and push press/jerks ocassionally, but time to gain some weight and add to my powerlifting total.
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