On April 22 2014 03:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: looks to me like LVG is prertty much a 100% thing, nobody else is available /connected/good enough. honestly 4/1 odds looks like a fantastic deal for any gamblers out there.
klopp isn't going anywhere, fergie not coming back, beyond that the list is just a random collection of managers and ex united players and ex star players.. I think they just added all of them to make people waste money on not-lvg.
Some people seem to think that the long-term plan is for Giggs to take over. If that's the case, LVG would make perfect sense because he'd manage for a few years, take Giggs under his wing, and leave a solid foundation with a successor in place.
As I said previously, it would also ruin Tottenham who desperately need a disciplinarian like LVG to sort out the mess.
I expect Klopp to be United's first choice far and away, but I don't think he's likely to leave Dortmund. With so many players leaving there though, who knows, he may change his mind. I see almost no chance of Simeone leaving Atletico because he is in the middle of building something amazing there right now.
I believe Louis van Gaal is the likeliest choice to succeed Moyes at least in the short term. Might be best for United to let LvG inject some stability and steel back into the side for the next two years whilst playing some good football. Then by that time perhaps Klopp or another promising manager could be available long term for United. LvG may not be a good prospect for a long term manager position at United but he can make a big difference in the short term and laying a youthful foundation for his successor.
There is simply no way Klopp is giving up on Dortmund. I would gladly give anyone who wants to bet on Klopp leaving for Manchester the 5/1 odds, easy money
I dont think Klopp would leave for a "mediocre" top team like ManU is right now, but i think he would leave for Barca. Would be great in my opinion.
Problem with that is that Barca is a bit stuck in its own ass right now and i dont see them hiring a foreign coach, without the biggest name, that plays a bit of a different style in Dortmund
On April 22 2014 04:28 Micro_Jackson wrote: I dont think Klopp would leave for a "mediocre" top team like ManU is right now, but i think he would leave for Barca. Would be great in my opinion.
Problem with that is that Barca is a bit stuck in its own ass right now and i dont see them hiring a foreign coach, without the biggest name, that plays a bit of a different style in Dortmund
Klopp just dismissed rumors connecting him with Barca, and I think he means it. Dortmund is his project.
I'd love for Barça to not win anything this year. We need a change of directives, and if we get something, even La Liga, they're going to say that their great management skills were the one who that shit for us, and the shitstorm in the dressing room, who's responsable for that?
Messi thinks they want to sell him, and most Culès do think that this current Board is full of shit.
BartomeuDimisio!
Also, I'd love for a manager like Klopp to come to Barça and add some flavor and sense into the new generations, plus sell some "Big dressing names" for a change.
I'd sell a few players who seem "too comfortable" in the team, and do not fear their "starting" position...
On April 22 2014 04:53 RvB wrote: Who would you sell? I think either Pedro or Alexis Sanchez will leave this summer they're too good to be consistently benched.
Alves, Pique maybe Fabregas, Cuenca. Maybe loan another year Deulofeu, Dos Santos, etc.
Since Puyol, Valdes, Pinto are already leaving. I guess a change of "dressing room characters" is in due. Pique has been far from his best self for a while. Alves, in the game vs Madrid, kept shooting to the Goal area without anyone to receive or create danger (wasting game or ball).
Fabregas, well, he has his "lucky" days, I thought he was going to be more decisive, but I don't think he knows what position he was bought for, maybe that is more on the er side of the coach rather than the player, but still.
I love Pedro and Alexis, it's safe to say that they are on a level above Neymar right now. Neymar needs to step up and really really really prove he can play at this level and on this team...
I think the "new Barça" is going to have a lot of new names, but not so much people from the Cantera (which is a pity, there's a lot of level on La Cantera, but kinda wasted).
It's going to be a problem to have Tello, Cuenca, Afellay, Neymar, Pedro and Alexis next year.
On April 22 2014 04:28 Micro_Jackson wrote: I dont think Klopp would leave for a "mediocre" top team like ManU is right now, but i think he would leave for Barca. Would be great in my opinion.
Problem with that is that Barca is a bit stuck in its own ass right now and i dont see them hiring a foreign coach, without the biggest name, that plays a bit of a different style in Dortmund
Klopp just dismissed rumors connecting him with Barca, and I think he means it. Dortmund is his project.
Yea sayings like this never turn out to be wrong... not.
I dont think he will leave this season but he will not last more than one or two years after that. Dortmund is a good team that can get hot on a regular day, a very avarage one on a bad day. Lewandowski is gone after this season, Hummels maybe after the WC and there is no way that no one will play the buyout clause on Reus contract in 2015 if he keeps playing like that, Robben, Ribery, (oh boy...) Ronaldo and Iniesta will be over 30 then. I dont see Dortmund beeing attractive enough to get big names and at some point he has to take the next step in his career.
On April 22 2014 04:53 RvB wrote: Who would you sell? I think either Pedro or Alexis Sanchez will leave this summer they're too good to be consistently benched.
Alves, Pique maybe Fabregas, Cuenca. Maybe loan another year Deulofeu, Dos Santos, etc.
Since Puyol, Valdes, Pinto are already leaving. I guess a change of "dressing room characters" is in due. Pique has been far from his best self for a while. Alves, in the game vs Madrid, kept shooting to the Goal area without anyone to receive or create danger (wasting game or ball).
Fabregas, well, he has his "lucky" days, I thought he was going to be more decisive, but I don't think he knows what position he was bought for, maybe that is more on the er side of the coach rather than the player, but still.
I love Pedro and Alexis, it's safe to say that they are on a level above Neymar right now. Neymar needs to step up and really really really prove he can play at this level and on this team...
I think the "new Barça" is going to have a lot of new names, but not so much people from the Cantera (which is a pity, there's a lot of level on La Cantera, but kinda wasted).
It's going to be a problem to have Tello, Cuenca, Afellay, Neymar, Pedro and Alexis next year.
The problem with Pique is that he's one of the few CB's Barca has and they already need an extra CB as is.
I agree Alves and Cuenca need to go, Fabregas can still be useful he is one of the players who hasn't really won anything so he should be full of motivation.
I'm sure they'll let Afellay go he's just not nearly good enough, they can't let Neymar go though so it'll be either Pedro or Alexis I think.
I think that now, united is gonna go for a 2-3 year manager followed by one of the great united players of the Ferguson era. Giggs might very well be the one, although it'd be weird if he didn't have to prove himself in another club first. So basically first LVG, then the ex-united player who has done the best manager-job, whether this ends up being giggs, neville, solskjær ( ), or eric cantona, that's impossible to tell imo.
I think simeone isn't viable because they want someone british. And while LVG isn't that, he's much closer to it. Also, atletico might win one or two of the most sensational titles ever - I can't picture him jumping ship just so he can join the most sensational 7th place of all time.
I dont think Giggs is ready for that (yet). Playing with him, having him as an assistant coach and then as the head coach sounds very weird. He should try to prove himself elswhere and to gain some experience. Also i cant come up with coaches that transitioned from high level play to high level coaching within one or two years. The only one popping up in my head is Guardiola depending what you are counting as pro play and pro coaching.
I think it would be the wrong decision too. What United and PL (and the national team really badly) needs right now is new blood and new thinking away from kick and rush and randomly spending high amounts of money with no strategy. And i think Giggs wouldn´t break these structures to try something new.
On April 22 2014 05:07 Twoflowers wrote: 1. FC Köln - the first Bundesliga champion - is back in the Bundesliga, 50 years after their first championship. Viva Colonia!
On April 22 2014 06:30 Pik wrote: I remember how LVG let Bayern play, ugh... i dont know if United wants to keep playing like Yawnited...
I think they should definitely go for a modern coach espescially now that the team needs new players anyway. Time to start something completely new.
Bayern wouldn´t be there were they are now without Van Gaal. And he made it to the CL final with these guys: + Show Spoiler +
wow, what a terrible roster(!).
This roster probably better than today's roster lol. Young Schweingsteiger+Lahm+Robben, and Altintop, who was better than Ribery in his prime.
it's not so bad that taking them to CL final is particularly impressive (other than that getting to CL final is impressive no matter what) but that roster is not better than the one of today..
On April 22 2014 06:30 Pik wrote: I remember how LVG let Bayern play, ugh... i dont know if United wants to keep playing like Yawnited...
I think they should definitely go for a modern coach espescially now that the team needs new players anyway. Time to start something completely new.
Bayern wouldn´t be there were they are now without Van Gaal. And he made it to the CL final with these guys: + Show Spoiler +
wow, what a terrible roster(!).
This roster probably better than today's roster lol. Young Schweingsteiger+Lahm+Robben, and Altintop, who was better than Ribery in his prime.
You have to understand that a team like that has gotten better the past 4 years. All those players that still play now are leagues ahead of their counterpart 4 years ago. Back then no player in that squad was ever named as a contender for best player in the world. Schweinsteiger, Müller, Lahm have all gotten way better in the last 4 years. Now we've got people claiming half the starting formation could win the golden ball. Badstuber and Müller were just in their first year of first-team football for example. Robben basically won them everything that year on his own.
And Altintop? Nah, lol. Good player, but not as good as Ribery, and I think Ribery is currently the most overrated player in the world.
EPT
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