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On March 24 2014 19:37 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i know what your saying too Sharkie but it would be nice when the game was so good minus idiotic Ramos for Madrid players not to do the easy thing and say "Referee was a joke" when clearly (imo) he made one mistake which was very hard to see due to Ronaldo getting tackled outside the box then to fall down inside the box and get given a penalty for it. That for me was the only thing the referee did wrong last night. Which for a Clasico was probably the best refereeing in a long time?
By the way the most bizzare stat i heard last night was that "Tata" has the same record as Pep had in his first season in charge...wow xD
Yeah but which team would say that..? :/
I doubt even chelsea players would say that to arsenal if they had been in reals position. And chelsea doesnt hate arsenal as much as real hates barca
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The Mata stats shows again that these "best team of all times.. again" things are stupid because there are a lot of things that influences this view that have nothing to do with the team.
Take peps 2009 - 2011 Barca, a lot of people call them "great" or even "the best of all times". But imagine them today, would they be this dominant? In 2009 - 2011 there were no PSG, no Bayern, no Dortmund, Real weaker than today, Chelsea in their "pre mou era".
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^ that's because the game is evolving at a very high rate. And yes, Barça has fallen off a bit, but that's a combination of factors. Teams found out how to play against them and the players themselves are either past their prime or have been out of form for a pretty long while. Especially the defense is weakened by the disappearance of Puyol and Xavi not being able to defend as much anymore.
What Barça did in 2009-2011 is absolutely destroy the opposition for 3 consecutive years winning like what, 26 prizes? That makes them one of the best teams ever. Just because teams have evolved and Barça has fallen off a bit, doesn't mean that they aren't among the best ever. And they might still win everything this year. Given the above reasons and that they've gone through a pretty big shift is pretty telling that they were extremely dominant and still are very good. No team can dominate for 10 years or whatever. Quarter finals CL, final copa del Rey, 1 point behind in La Liga. Still everything to play for.
And Guardiola has proven to be a great manager, which influences the results a lot too.
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especially the last reason. I cant remember how many games this season bayern started scoring with people he just brought on the field. so astonishing every single time. ultra hard training, stars getting benched and still no complaining from players.
this guy...
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Some catalan media says that was the first time in the history of Real Madrid that they got 2 penalties called against them at Bernabeu xD
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Today, german clubs desided not implementing a goal line technique in Bundesliga to help the refs with "phantom goals" like the one from Stefan Kießling.
I think it is a good thing. Last year they allowed black people to play in the league, that goes already too far in my opinion i mean we are in the 1950s aren't we?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Lol a bit strong that reference Micro but it does make ABSOLUTE NO SENSE to not allow goal line technology in the game now. It has worked so well in England this year, i believe Lampard was the first guy to use it with his goal against Sunderland.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Nottingham Forrest Sack Manager Billy Davies - Neil Warnock to Take OverSource
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My brother started a series of videos showing fans from matches of Champions League. His last video is a top 5 away team supporters. For those who like to see the fans cheering and chanting his videos might be fun to watch.
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ps:If I can't do that here a mod please delete my post or send me a warning.
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On March 24 2014 20:52 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
especially the last reason. I cant remember how many games this season bayern started scoring with people he just brought on the field. so astonishing every single time. ultra hard training, stars getting benched and still no complaining from players.
this guy...
heynkes did the same thing and did not receive half the praise...
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On March 25 2014 00:24 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 20:52 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
especially the last reason. I cant remember how many games this season bayern started scoring with people he just brought on the field. so astonishing every single time. ultra hard training, stars getting benched and still no complaining from players.
this guy... heynkes did the same thing and did not receive half the praise...
yes he did and no, he received a lot of praise (and a lot of awards)
Fifa World Coach of th year
Iffhs worlds best club coach
German football manager of the year
you just didnt pay attention
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On March 25 2014 01:22 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 00:24 sharkie wrote:On March 24 2014 20:52 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
especially the last reason. I cant remember how many games this season bayern started scoring with people he just brought on the field. so astonishing every single time. ultra hard training, stars getting benched and still no complaining from players.
this guy... heynkes did the same thing and did not receive half the praise... yes he did and no, he received a lot of praise (and a lot of awards) Fifa World Coach of th year Iffhs worlds best club coach German football manager of the year you just didnt pay attention
Oh yeah? I must have missed all the posts praising Heynkes do anything last year in here.
Almost everyone was a doubter before he crushed Barcelona.
Guardiola hasn't done anything like it and already is preached best coach of the century by you
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This has nothing to do with Heynkes. The point of discussion was 2009-2011 Barça and there were a lot of people doubting whether Guardiola had any impact or whether it was just because the players were (are) great.
Considering he's really using his own system within Bayern and doing great with it, we can conclude that he did have a big impact at Barça.
No-one is doubting what Heynkes did at Bayern wasn't great. A discussion whether one is better than the other is not really relevant. People praise Guardiola more because he won a shitload of prizes in 4 years. Heynkes was released after 1 season of winning. But again, this is not the discussion.
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I think it is kind of redundant to dicuss about that. Like most "great" things Guardiola was at the right time at the right place in Barclona as he is today in Munich. The same on Heynkes, i think his part was less of a direct "coaching" thing and more on a psychological level. After that devestating loss "at home" against chelsea he circumvent frustration or let downs especially for players like Lahm or Schweinsteiger who were claimed as "loosers" in germany because they never won an international title.
And remember only 2 or 3 years ago guys like Ribery and Robben were famous for never getting back on defense, until the cl semi finals last year were it turned out that they were pretty good at it if they want.
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On March 24 2014 21:47 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Today, german clubs desided not implementing a goal line technique in Bundesliga to help the refs with "phantom goals" like the one from Stefan Kießling.
I think it is a good thing. Last year they allowed black people to play in the league, that goes already too far in my opinion i mean we are in the 1950s aren't we?
Biggest disgrace of German football to date imo...
There is ZERO reason to vote against it. The petty excuses of "too expensive" is laughable for teams who spent millions every year
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On March 25 2014 02:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 21:47 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Today, german clubs desided not implementing a goal line technique in Bundesliga to help the refs with "phantom goals" like the one from Stefan Kießling.
I think it is a good thing. Last year they allowed black people to play in the league, that goes already too far in my opinion i mean we are in the 1950s aren't we? Biggest disgrace of German football to date imo... There is ZERO reason to vote against it. The petty excuses of "too expensive" is laughable for teams who spent millions every year
I agree. I mean , especially in Germany, who wouldnt expect this to be implemented. Well what do you know
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An Independent Regulatory Commission today heard two claims from Arsenal, one of mistaken identity and the other of wrongful dismissal, both in relation to Saturday’s game against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.
The commission ruled that the dismissal of Kieran Gibbs was a case of mistaken identity and transferred this to his team-mate Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain.
Subsequent to deciding this matter, the commission then considered Arsenal’s claim for wrongful dismissal in relation to Oxlade-Chamberlain. This claim was upheld, meaning Oxlade-Chamberlain will not serve any suspension with the standard punishment withdrawn with immediate effect.
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I think Guardiola's role is overstated. Barça still shows their incredible play at times just not all the time. What Guardiola imo did for Barça was to let them play to their maximum in every game I don't think he made the players a lot better or something.
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On March 25 2014 02:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 21:47 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Today, german clubs desided not implementing a goal line technique in Bundesliga to help the refs with "phantom goals" like the one from Stefan Kießling.
I think it is a good thing. Last year they allowed black people to play in the league, that goes already too far in my opinion i mean we are in the 1950s aren't we? Biggest disgrace of German football to date imo... There is ZERO reason to vote against it. The petty excuses of "too expensive" is laughable for teams who spent millions every year
I think the too expensive excuse is quite viable in the 2. Bundesliga. While you have clubs like Köln and Kaiserslautern, who indeed are able to pay such stuff (they could do that instead of acquiring bad players from Frankfurt's bench) if you look at the lower regions it's not really that easy.
You soon reach regions where clubs basically pay no transfer fee's for their players (and only generate a big transfer fee via luck). I read the goal line systems cost 100-200k? So for 2 goals it's 200-400k? That's really quite a lot for those clubs.
Now think a 3. Liga team gets promoted; not only do they have to fight to stay in the league (losing key players) , but also have to follow new "Stadiumsauflagen" (i.e. min capacity up). Give them another 200k € to pay and they are in very deep shit.
That said: I think the DFL should pay for it, from their tv money pot. But if the clubs have to pay, I understand the 2. Bundesliga clubs not willing to pay. It just doesn't happen often enough to be a big issue for that price.
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