EPT2013 - 2014 Football Thread - Page 128
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On August 14 2013 05:53 haitike wrote: A European league system with the best 16 teams in the continent and 30 weeks will be the most awesome thing ever. But I think that all this would destroy the domestic leagues, so it is not worth it economically. In FIFA or PES this might be fun but in reality it isnt. Besides "watchabilty", it would destroy around 500 profesional clubs in europe due to the fact that 95% of all money would be concentrated on this international league, it wouldnt be fun to watch. Champions League is so exciting because the format (at least to the final) benefits agressive play, and with the away goal rule there are a lot of comeback games (remember Bayern vs ManU 2010 or against Real 2012) that are more fun than usual playdays. And to get into CL is "relative" easy were in this league system it would be almost impossible to break into top8. Not anybody can pay a roster like Bayern, Madrid or Chelsea with 20 top level players that you need in a season long CL with 30 games. I think it was 2011 were there was like 6 Barca vs. Real matches in like 4 weeks. It was the highest level of play but after the 4th or 5th game in a row with the same names it got hard to watch. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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mavignon
France369 Posts
On August 14 2013 07:51 warding wrote: The european competition system seems to be working relatively well. They've been experimenting with different formats over the years and it seems to be doing as well as it's ever been. What should be thought more about is how to create actually meaningful world club competitions. It would be great if one day, once other continents step their game up, we had a world club cup competition in the summer with 32 of the world's best club every two years (the odd years when there's no WC or Euro). I don't think other continents will catch up to Europe in our life time. Maybe Brazil will in 30 - 50 years if they strive economically | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
- Scaling back national competitions - Deeper squads - Advances in the medical/pharmaceutical/training realm will enable players to have much better endurance On things happening in our lifetime: I plan to live another 60 years. Looking back 60 years, Hungary and Uruguay were the teams to beat in the 50s. Over the decades South American teams I think have won more intercontinental cups than european teams. While recently, after a relaxation of rules against using too many foreign players, more South Americans players have flocked to Europe, with developing countries growing faster and generating much larger markets, it's not unthinkable to predict that clubs in places like Brazil or the US might be in a financial position to attract the best players in 10-20 years. If Brazil had a per capita GDP at the level of, lets say, Portugal, it'd be the biggest football market in the world. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6242 Posts
On August 14 2013 09:09 warding wrote: On straining players, possible solutions: - Scaling back national competitions - Deeper squads - Advances in the medical/pharmaceutical/training realm will enable players to have much better endurance On things happening in our lifetime: I plan to live another 60 years. Looking back 60 years, Hungary and Uruguay were the teams to beat in the 50s. Over the decades South American teams I think have won more intercontinental cups than european teams. While recently, after a relaxation of rules against using too many foreign players, more South Americans players have flocked to Europe, with developing countries growing faster and generating much larger markets, it's not unthinkable to predict that clubs in places like Brazil or the US might be in a financial position to attract the best players in 10-20 years. If Brazil had a per capita GDP at the level of, lets say, Portugal, it'd be the biggest football market in the world. The only intercontinental cup that actually matters is the world cup anyway and Europe is rougly equal with SA in that regard but they showed incredible dominance last WC by delivering 3/4 semi finalists. I'm don't think Brazil will become as dominant in the world for the same reason Russia isn't. They're just too far out of the way of the core of football nations (western europe bawically). Add to that the CL which assembles all the top clubs in Europe (and the world) something the copa libertadores won't easily achieve since the clubs of other nations would have to drastically improve as well. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On August 14 2013 09:09 warding wrote: On straining players, possible solutions: - Scaling back national competitions - Deeper squads - Advances in the medical/pharmaceutical/training realm will enable players to have much better endurance Scaling back national competitions is not gonna happen for obvious reasons, especially for the big leagues. Deeper squads is also not an option because only rich clubs can afford deeper squads. The last one sure, but there is a limit unless you allow the development of some legal type of doping but that's obviously not a good idea. I don't think you can find good arguments to get even more games than we already have. You also have to think about the commercial side of things. There's already tons of leagues to follow etc., the game is very saturated. You can watch football almost every evening nowadays if you want to. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 14 2013 10:06 Twisted wrote: Scaling back national competitions is not gonna happen for obvious reasons, especially for the big leagues. Deeper squads is also not an option because only rich clubs can afford deeper squads. The last one sure, but there is a limit unless you allow the development of some legal type of doping but that's obviously not a good idea. I don't think you can find good arguments to get even more games than we already have. You also have to think about the commercial side of things. There's already tons of leagues to follow etc., the game is very saturated. You can watch football almost every evening nowadays if you want to. I agree, there isnt anything wrong with the current system and while selfishly we'd all love more games the amount of times the average footballer in a top european league spends playing is rather high. Scaling down is clearly not likely and as long as the players seem to be ok with it the current system and schedules for leagues and cup competition looks to be at a happy medium, there is ofcourse always room for improvement but it wouldnt mean more games. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
On August 14 2013 08:42 Twisted wrote: Things like European leagues aside from the national leagues, or world club cups will never happen. It just puts too much strain on the players. You can see already that a lot of players are exhausted at the end of the season with a league season, European football, one or two cups, international friendlies, a summer with a national tournament. Putting in any more would be too much on an already overly filled up agenda. It could happen if top clubs decided to secede from their national league competitions and created their own Superleague. But this won't occur until the financial gains from breaking out from UEFA will be greater than negative consequences. And I'm pretty sure UEFA is doing everything in their power to eliminate that possibility - just look how the bonuses for Champions League and Europa League were increasing so far. Financially, a Superleague would probably more profitable than current state of affairs in Champions League, but the organization and politics are both well under UEFA's control. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
News Uruguayan newspaper El Observador is quoting Luis Suarez as saying the striker is now planning to stay at Liverpool. The Times, are running with the line that Liverpool want to make Brazilian playmaker Willian their marquee signing of the summer The Guardian reports that Manchester United have taken a 'top-level decision' not to sell Wayne Rooney, irrespective of how much money is offered Spanish newspaper AS reports that Paris Saint-Germain are considering making an offer for Barcelona's Dani Alves, but the Catalan club are unwilling to talk after being told long-time target Thiago Silva is unavailable The Sun reports that the winger has told his Wales international team-mates that he will never play for Tottenham again. Internacional's director of football Luis Cesar Souto de Moura says the Brazilian club do not need to sell striker Leandro Damiao Inter Milan have confirmed the loan signing of Wallace from Chelsea. The 19-year-old Brazilian is moving to the San Siro for the whole of the forthcoming Serie A campaign Real Betis are not keen on entering talks over a potential sale of teenage winger Alvaro Vadillo, amid reports of interest from Tottenham Atletico Madrid have confirmed the signing of experienced goalkeeper Daniel Aranzubia from Deportivo La Coruna on a one-year contract Fulham have made a late bid to beat Queens Park Rangers to the £3.5million signing of Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Scott Parker Ajax defender Toby Alderweireld, who has been linked with Everton and Tottenham, could be set to miss out on a move to the Premier League and instead head for Russia with Spartak Moscow Sunderland manager Paolo Di Canio is ready to launch another Serie A raid – with Napoli striker Sergio Floccari the latest to fall under his transfer radar | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On August 14 2013 10:06 Twisted wrote: I don't think you can find good arguments to get even more games than we already have. You also have to think about the commercial side of things. There's already tons of leagues to follow etc., the game is very saturated. You can watch football almost every evening nowadays if you want to. There hasn't been any top level football since friggin May!! Am I the only one suffering here?  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 14 2013 18:50 warding wrote: There hasn't been any top level football since friggin May!! Am I the only one suffering here? No, i am too ;_; Well for me after the confederations cup it just went boring mode (July 1st) Since then it's just pre season run outs and as of August 10th Bundesliga/Championship (Eng 1st Division) to keep me occupied. But alas there is only 3 more days until the start of the Premier League <3 Also for Chelsea (not sure about other clubs) But Torres and Mata didn't go with Spain to Ecuador which is good for us as means 2 extra players for the squad for our game on Sunday. | ||
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Tileks
Brazil74 Posts
On August 14 2013 09:36 RvB wrote: The only intercontinental cup that actually matters is the world cup anyway and Europe is rougly equal with SA in that regard but they showed incredible dominance last WC by delivering 3/4 semi finalists. I'm don't think Brazil will become as dominant in the world for the same reason Russia isn't. They're just too far out of the way of the core of football nations (western europe bawically). Add to that the CL which assembles all the top clubs in Europe (and the world) something the copa libertadores won't easily achieve since the clubs of other nations would have to drastically improve as well. There is a big difference when comparing Brazil and Russia, the amount of talent tha comes from the country and the proximity to Argentina and Uruguay, which have a lot of talent as well. If Brazilian teams improve a lot financially, they could attract most of the top south american players. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On August 14 2013 18:50 warding wrote: There hasn't been any top level football since friggin May!! Am I the only one suffering here? If there was what would you have to look forward to :D I don't think it's a bad thing there are breaks like this. Anyway, the Eredivisie has already had 2 playdays and the supercup 2,5 weeks ago :p | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 14 2013 21:06 Twisted wrote: If there was what would you have to look forward to :D I don't think it's a bad thing there are breaks like this. Anyway, the Eredivisie has already had 2 playdays and the supercup 2,5 weeks ago :p Any expectation Vitesse could do well this season? I mean they have half the Chelsea squad in there team now xD I noticed they just got spanked 4-2 the last game to a team i guess they shouldn't of but they should have Van Aanholt Piazon and Kakuta all ready to go for the next games, oh and Cristián Cuevas who i would love to be kept up to date on xD He is a new signing :3 | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Maybe people in Europe feel it worse than I do because I had other sports in the States to tide me over like baseball and basketball  | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On August 14 2013 21:15 Pandemona wrote: Any expectation Vitesse could do well this season? I mean they have half the Chelsea squad in there team now xD I noticed they just got spanked 4-2 the last game to a team i guess they shouldn't of but they should have Van Aanholt Piazon and Kakuta all ready to go for the next games, oh and Cristián Cuevas who i would love to be kept up to date on xD He is a new signing :3 too bad they lost to romanian club in EL on the very last minute. It could be good eurocup experience for chelsea guys | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 14 2013 21:39 BeaTeR wrote: too bad they lost to romanian club in EL on the very last minute. It could be good eurocup experience for chelsea guys Damn, yeah that would of been great for them! | ||
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