EPTOh and Hannover vs Wolfsburg should also be interesting. I like the new Wolfsburg, if they can get Luiz Gustavo they might even be able to compete for a Champions League spot.
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Oh and Hannover vs Wolfsburg should also be interesting. I like the new Wolfsburg, if they can get Luiz Gustavo they might even be able to compete for a Champions League spot. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
On August 10 2013 19:39 Maenander wrote: Augsburg vs Dortmund today, that should be a tough test for Dortmund. Oh and Hannover vs Wolfsburg should also be interesting. I like the new Wolfsburg, if they can get Luiz Gustavo they might even be able to compete for a Champions League spot. WCS > BVB | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
The first two scores of Bayern happened with passive offsides. I noticed that the commentator said they are goals, but without any explanation about the rule change and seems that it doesn't apply to the two goals. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On August 10 2013 20:04 Dingodile wrote: In Bundesliga, they change the rule for passive offside. I read the explanation several times and I dont understand the change. The first two scores of Bayern happened with passive offsides. I noticed that the commentator said they are goals, but without any explanation about the rule change and seems that it doesn't apply to the two goals. Source? Also I cannot imagine Bundesliga doing such a rule change on its own, especially not the year before the world cup. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
I don’t know whether the cause of this is financial or otherwise. Korea business is dominated by the big Chaebol’s and they mostly all have one football club already and I guess see no reason to invest in further clubs. Am I been to simplistic or is the reason for the lack of clubs and competition in Korean football related to the absolute lack of small and medium size investment in Korea in general. If Seoul had 3 or 4 clubs it would drive more rivalry bigger attendances and just be better for Korean football in general. On a completely unrelated note why did Jeju build their stadium on the other side of the islands where no one lives? Too many stupid decisions seem to be made by business men without a clue or with some big investment idea instead of just doing the sensible thing and building the stadium in or at least near Jeju city where everyone lives. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On August 10 2013 19:39 Maenander wrote: Augsburg vs Dortmund today, that should be a tough test for Dortmund. Oh and Hannover vs Wolfsburg should also be interesting. I like the new Wolfsburg, if they can get Luiz Gustavo they might even be able to compete for a Champions League spot. Hell yeah. Augsburg beat Monaco, you know. They won't have their starting keeper Alex Manninger, but they still have the legend Jan-Ingwer Callsen-Bracker in center defense and Sascha Mölders to terrorize BVB's defenders. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
On August 10 2013 19:18 sc4k wrote: From how freaking good koreans are at playing games in general, how much skill they have and how much general pace and fitness they have as sportsmen, it's kind of surprising they aren't doing considerably better on the international stage (as individual players playing in leagues and as a national team) when compared to similar size nations. There aren't too many superstars from Korea and I was under the impression it is the national game over there. Perhaps it's the quality of competition they get in that area. Or perhaps it's down to the fact that they lack the physical diversity and with their homogenous society they lack other types of diversity (of culture, of race) to prepare the guys for the differences that await them on the international stage. Interesting though. Maybe it's down to the scouting and selection processes that go on in that country...looking for the wrong things. They have said that is the problem going on in Africa at the moment. its the korean culture that causes koreans to be weaker in terms of skill in comparison to other countries, despite football being just as popular. people still value education much more highly, and so football is given "hobby" status instead of possible career choice. obviously if youre really good people might tell you to pursue it, but in korea people are very self-conscious about what others think and say, and so may only half-heartedly try to become a football player. and then theres the problem where since every mistake is criticised so heavily by the public, players are less daring than players from other countries. instead of taking a shot which they could score with their eyes closed in their backyard, they go for a hard pass to someone in a better position and lose the ball instead. korean culture influences the football scene so much in korea, starting from how much they commit to the game to how they actually play the game. oh and jeju island isnt that big. probably only takes like an hour and a half to go from one side to another. and because jeju island is so well known for its natural beauty, you cant just pick any spot you want and try and start development. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On August 10 2013 20:40 evilfatsh1t wrote: its the korean culture that causes koreans to be weaker in terms of skill in comparison to other countries, despite football being just as popular. people still value education much more highly, and so football is given "hobby" status instead of possible career choice. obviously if youre really good people might tell you to pursue it, but in korea people are very self-conscious about what others think and say, and so may only half-heartedly try to become a football player. and then theres the problem where since every mistake is criticised so heavily by the public, players are less daring than players from other countries. instead of taking a shot which they could score with their eyes closed in their backyard, they go for a hard pass to someone in a better position and lose the ball instead. korean culture influences the football scene so much in korea, starting from how much they commit to the game to how they actually play the game. oh and jeju island isnt that big. probably only takes like an hour and a half to go from one side to another. and because jeju island is so well known for its natural beauty, you cant just pick any spot you want and try and start development. ^^^ if you say you want to be a footballer in korea, most people will laugh at you, and only more liberal minded parents will support you in any significant form. most more practical parents will try to point out the relative chances of success and will instead emphasize studying instead | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On August 10 2013 20:48 Navi wrote: ^^^ if you say you want to be a footballer in korea, most people will laugh at you, and only more liberal minded parents will support you in any significant form. most more practical parents will try to point out the relative chances of success and will instead emphasize studying instead I doubt "I want to be a progamer!" earns more support from parents than "I want to be a football player!"... | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
On August 10 2013 21:20 sharkie wrote: I doubt "I want to be a progamer!" earns more support from parents than "I want to be a football player!"... easier to convince parents though. korea is known for a stable esports scene, less competition internationally and past korean success stories are found more easily in progaming than pro football | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On August 10 2013 22:24 evilfatsh1t wrote: easier to convince parents though. korea is known for a stable esports scene, less competition internationally and past korean success stories are found more easily in progaming than pro football Im gonna have to disagree with you here. In korea, many parents still think gaming is a waste of life and is something only kids do. Football, while many parents disagree, is a respected sport and parents give children opportunities if they prove to be good enough. Also, kleague pays decent wages. Enough so that park ji sung thought very hard about leaving for psv with hiddink because kleague offered him more wages. Also its a lot easier to become a coach, physio or manager after retiring. Not really the same for progaming. Not to mention soccer players careers are usually a bit longer. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On August 10 2013 20:40 evilfatsh1t wrote: its the korean culture that causes koreans to be weaker in terms of skill in comparison to other countries, despite football being just as popular. people still value education much more highly, and so football is given "hobby" status instead of possible career choice. obviously if youre really good people might tell you to pursue it, but in korea people are very self-conscious about what others think and say, and so may only half-heartedly try to become a football player. and then theres the problem where since every mistake is criticised so heavily by the public, players are less daring than players from other countries. instead of taking a shot which they could score with their eyes closed in their backyard, they go for a hard pass to someone in a better position and lose the ball instead. korean culture influences the football scene so much in korea, starting from how much they commit to the game to how they actually play the game. oh and jeju island isnt that big. probably only takes like an hour and a half to go from one side to another. and because jeju island is so well known for its natural beauty, you cant just pick any spot you want and try and start development. That's how it works everywhere though. I don't think any parent thinks becoming a football pro is a likely career choice. Even when you get scouted in NL the young players still combine high school with football only after that it changes but by that age you should already know if you're going to make it or not. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 10 2013 22:54 RvB wrote: That's how it works everywhere though. I don't think any parent thinks becoming a football pro is a likely career choice. Even when you get scouted in NL the young players still combine high school with football only after that it changes but by that age you should already know if you're going to make it or not. Not only in the Netherlands. At least here in Germany most football talents go to school, which still leaves other career options open. Both Götze and Draxler, for example, have successfully finished secondary school and are now qualified for university entrance. One of the most successful youth academies in Germany is in Freiburg, and this is what their head coach Christian Streich has to say on the subject: "When I went to Aston Villa eight years ago I told them our players, under-17, 18 and 19, go to school for 34 hours a week," he says. "They said: 'No, you're a liar, it's not possible, our players go for nine hours.' I said: 'No, I'm not lying.' They said: 'It's not possible, you can't train and do 34 hours of education.' I said: 'Sure. And what do you do with the players who have for three years, from the age of 16 to 19, only had nine hours a week of school? "They said: 'They have to try to be a professional or not. They have to decide.' I said: 'No, we can't do that in Freiburg. It's wrong. Most players in our academy can't be professionals, they will have to look for a job. The school is the most important thing, then comes football.' We give players the best chance to be a footballer but we give them two educations here. If 80% can't go on to play in the professional team, we have to look out for them. The players that play here, the majority of them go on to higher education. And we need intelligent players on the pitch anyway." Guardian article | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
virtually every teenage male in korea plays or has played online games (90%+ of high schoolers will tell you they have tried out starcraft / league of legends / whatever, the active % is lower but that is still very high permeation). there are kids who become so addicted to video games that they reduce their time in or outright quit other activities in a drastic manner (usually studying, which is otherwise 'the norm' that they would do). the vast majority of progamers comes from this pool. it is physically impossible to be as much of a 'soccer addict' as it is to be a gaming addict in terms of actual playtime etc. for obvious reasons. also, the number of prospective 'talents' is much higher due to there being many more gaming capable korean youth than soccer capable (with growing physical inactivity as one budgets time towards studying instead of playing outside etc.) and more permeation among the relevant demographic (young adult males, while many would watch / play / played soccer, would probably by and far play less soccer than video games). and finally, and perhaps overestimated by me in importance but definitely present, is the lack of the predisposition, ability, and precedent (or at least perceptions of such) to become the best in soccer. the general perception is that white / black people are more inherently athletic, and that being able to successfully compete with such players in athletics takes superhuman feats and / or persons from our country. whether or not this is definitively true can be contested, but this probably feeds at least in part back into the cycle of lack of encouragement to pursue athletics as a viable option etc. the athletic events that korea does do well in at the olympics, such as archery and short track (while some may argue about the athleticism in the former) are generally more smiled upon and encouraged by athletes willing to pursue those fields, again perhaps due to this precedent of success. koreans who do succeed at other sports mostly dominated by other ethnicities, such as park tae hwan's run in the 2008 olympics in the 400m and 200m freestyle, are thus hero-worshipped in korea. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
the norm in korea is to go to school, as everywhere. then afterwards, you go to 'cram schools' or 'hagwon', which are essentially an additional school where you complete routine homework assignments and study further. as you get older and older, you attend more hagwons and study longer, culminating in a senior year of high school where you find most children looking to go to college (i.e. nearly everyone) coming back home at 11 PM or later every day. some students even hire private tutors, on top of / in place of all of that. regardless of its efficiency, given such a competitive environment, spending even some of your time in "hobbies" as soccer or gaming is seen as a waste of time and a huge setback to getting into a good college --> cushy office job / career development. if you get into a top 3 school and don't fuck around all day, doing so is relatively easy. playing soccer on the 'side' and looking to become pro WHILE studying like this is not possible unless you are inherently talented at both. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
It’s kind of the sad side of professional gaming that loads of players will have wasted their entire youth playing a video game all day everyday and come out not making it, not having any education and having wasted (perhaps that’s a bit harsh) the best years of their lifes. We seem to getting slightly of topic so let me also comment that Accrington Stanley Vs Portsmouth was surprisingly entertaining. Wasn’t quite sure who to support since Portsmouth have been going through such a hard time but their still considered a far bigger club and I like rooting for the underdog. | ||
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
is he considered the best korean player atm? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
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