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Man with a Plan
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:27 Tien wrote: Of course, but imagine what the NBA would be today if Kevin Durant / Russell Westbrook / Harden and Ibaka was in the NYC market instead of OKC? The national market would actually care and they'd get 10x the exposure with all the residual effects for the rest of the NBA. Fuck small markets and parity, nobody complained about it when Magic and Bird single handedly revived the NBA. The greatest travesty in NBA is that great teams like the Spurs and OKC are doomed to little markets. If the Knicks had OKC's team and the Celtics had the Spurs team since 1999, the NBA would be in a better place today. I don't know, I think market is generally overstated compared to story/players. Now, NYC might be the single exception, but the first LA-BOS series drew a 9.3, the second a 10.6, but DAL-MIA got 10.3 and MIA-OKC got a 10. Keep in mind the second LA-BOS series also had a game 7, which are huge for ratings and MIA-OKC was the shortest of the 4. Market matters, but not as much as people think. Again, the Knicks might be the single exception to that. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:27 Tien wrote: Of course, but imagine what the NBA would be today if Kevin Durant / Russell Westbrook / Harden and Ibaka was in the NYC market instead of OKC? The national market would actually care and they'd get 10x the exposure with all the residual effects for the rest of the NBA. Fuck small markets and parity, nobody complained about it when Magic and Bird single handedly revived the NBA. The greatest travesty in NBA is that great teams like the Spurs and OKC are doomed to little markets. If the Knicks had OKC's team and the Celtics had the Spurs team since 1999, the NBA would be in a better place today. Your argument makes more sense in the 80s, but this is the age of the internet, NBA League Pass and relentless exposure and coverage. You aren't relying on local coverage anymore and your proximity to a team is merely accidental. How many Lebron fanboys are from Miami? The only people who are keeping the hegemony of NY and large markets are the media fucks. This is like the college media sucking the SEC's dick all year and then being shocked that they recruit better. If you hadn't noticed Texas is now a bigger state than New York and there are less teams to root for in adjacent states than in the northeast. The southwest is the fastest growing part of the country. The era of the local beat writer is over and these dumb fucks just don't know it yet. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:27 Tien wrote: Of course, but imagine what the NBA would be today if Kevin Durant / Russell Westbrook / Harden and Ibaka was in the NYC market instead of OKC? The national market would actually care and they'd get 10x the exposure with all the residual effects for the rest of the NBA. Fuck small markets and parity, nobody complained about it when Magic and Bird single handedly revived the NBA. The greatest travesty in NBA is that great teams like the Spurs and OKC are doomed to little markets. If the Knicks had OKC's team and the Celtics had the Spurs team since 1999, the NBA would be in a better place today. You're implying that people don't already care about Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, which is a dumb implication and you know it. The OKC/Miami finals didn't have the kind of ratings that everyone wanted because it was a bad series. People love to call shit on the markets involved but the simpler fact was it was ugly ass basketball and Miami crushed the shit out of them. No one wanted to see it. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
It's no surprise the ratings were in the toilet when small markets went up against each other and it took LA vs Boston to revive finals ratings, and now Miami. On June 16 2013 03:05 Vindicare605 wrote: The OKC/Miami finals didn't have the kind of ratings that everyone wanted because it was a bad series. People love to call shit on the markets involved but the simpler fact was it was ugly ass basketball and Miami crushed the shit out of them. No one wanted to see it. Ur kidding me? OKC vs Miami is 100x more enjoyable to watch than Miami Spurs. 3 out of 4 of these games so far have been blowouts. And Spurs have been notorious for having dog shit finals ratings. It isn't because Tony Parker / Duncan / Ginobili are boring, its because nobody gives a shit about San Antonio. | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
Worst idea ever? He's planning to opt out of 16.2m for next year. I guess he's trying to secure a max contract. Good luck with that. Or he'll sign with the Heat for less, like Ray Allen did. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On June 16 2013 03:47 Tien wrote: If OKC's stars were in LA instead of OKC, the rest of the world would care more. It's no surprise the ratings were in the toilet when small markets went up against each other and it took LA vs Boston to revive finals ratings, and now Miami. Ur kidding me? OKC vs Miami is 100x more enjoyable to watch than Miami Spurs. 3 out of 4 of these games so far have been blowouts. And Spurs have been notorious for having dog shit finals ratings. It isn't because Tony Parker / Duncan / Ginobili are boring, its because nobody gives a shit about San Antonio. I find it sad that ratings even matter when we talk about the finals. Everyone spends the regular season talking up teams and how they are dominant, but then post season rolls around and somehow ratings get involved about determining who is qualified/deserves to be in the finals. Yes we know Spurs are small market and Heat are large market. Should that matter when determining the best? Technically no, but you hear the conspiracy theories roll out with ratings and refs etc etc. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
I'm just saying nobody gives a shit about small markets and the NBA modelling its business to cater to small markets is a long term mistake. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 16 2013 04:39 Tien wrote: I'm not saying there is a conspiracy for small markets to lose to big markets. I'm just saying nobody gives a shit about small markets and the NBA modelling its business to cater to small markets is a long term mistake. Then your #1 goal should be eliminating the salary cap. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 16 2013 04:14 rwrzr wrote: I find it sad that ratings even matter when we talk about the finals. Everyone spends the regular season talking up teams and how they are dominant, but then post season rolls around and somehow ratings get involved about determining who is qualified/deserves to be in the finals. Yes we know Spurs are small market and Heat are large market. Should that matter when determining the best? Technically no, but you hear the conspiracy theories roll out with ratings and refs etc etc. The Heat are not large market and that's the point. They're treated like a large market team but they're 17th or 18th and a fraction of NY and LA. Which is why the markets talk is dumber and dumber. LA had Kobe and Boston Garnett. Yet their ratings weren't crushing everything. Ratings suffered in the 2000s because of a lot of bad series, besides Pistons Spurs (which did fine.) | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
they did great things for the franchise, and for the city. i mean, how many years do you think they have left? youd hope theyd retire in boston. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 16 2013 02:27 Tien wrote: Of course, but imagine what the NBA would be today if Kevin Durant / Russell Westbrook / Harden and Ibaka was in the NYC market instead of OKC? The national market would actually care and they'd get 10x the exposure with all the residual effects for the rest of the NBA. Fuck small markets and parity, nobody complained about it when Magic and Bird single handedly revived the NBA. The greatest travesty in NBA is that great teams like the Spurs and OKC are doomed to little markets. If the Knicks had OKC's team and the Celtics had the Spurs team since 1999, the NBA would be in a better place today. what? The national market fucking loves OKC. All the fans I know in multiple cities count OKC as one of the teams they follow other than their hometown teams. Your first post about Miami and OKC? Both are small market teams. It's about talent, not home market size, on a national level. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 16 2013 03:53 seiferoth10 wrote: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9389759/andre-iguodala-denver-nuggets-opt-contract-reports Worst idea ever? He's planning to opt out of 16.2m for next year. I guess he's trying to secure a max contract. Good luck with that. Or he'll sign with the Heat for less, like Ray Allen did. No, he's declining so he can get a long term contract, like 4 years at 16.2 instead of 1. It's a smart move because what happens if he gets injured or suddenly gets shitty in his free agent year? Suddenly he's out 50 million or more dollars for 3 years work. Plus the head coach and GM just left, he must not have a lot of confidence in the franchise going forward. On June 16 2013 06:43 a176 wrote: makes me sad to hear about celtics core blowing up. they did great things for the franchise, and for the city. i mean, how many years do you think they have left? youd hope theyd retire in boston. Ainge has been trying to blow up the Celtics ever since they won. Rumors are saying that Pierce wants to go to LAC as well if Doc/Garnett go. Another thought I had regarding market size- this finals between Miami and SAS were the highest rated in like 6 or 7 years. SAS is on the larger side but Miami is only 18th,19th in terms of TV market. They're not large at all. Once again, it's about level of talent and competitiveness, not about how many people from the home city are watching. That matters less if you can draw a national audience. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
@ESPNSteinLine: Among scenarios Clips considering is offer of Blake Griffin & Bledsoe in sign-&-trade pitch Lakers for Dwight As a Lakers fan, I'd take this trade in a heartbeat. Signing Bledsoe to a long term contract might be hard though. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 16 2013 07:20 DystopiaX wrote: I'd take it if I were the Clippers. Dwight had a fantastic season under injury and should be even better once he's healthy. You weren't going to keep Bledsoe anyway and Blake has shown few signs of improvement year over year, once he loses his athleticism he's not going to be an elite player anymore. Blake, elite, hue. | ||
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