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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
April 20 2014 20:16 GMT
#1581
I think this season is pretty interesting. I think anyone can still get a third place. It will be nice to see the battle between Alonso and Redbull (not to mention the internal rivalry too), battle between the superior Mercedes engines of Force India, Williams, and McLaren. Even the Mercedes drivers appear to have a significant rivalry... I do feel like Hamilton is the more experienced and mature as a person. I used to really like Rosberg before this year, but it just feels like he gets "pissy" when coming in second, after having a sub-stellar drive, etc.

Interestingly, right now in terms of points, Alonso is 3rd and Raikkonen is 12th, currently the largest difference in standings between teammates, probably the largest we've seen in a long time after 4 races in Formula 1 is well.

My real question is when can the other teams close the gap on Mercedes... With the gap they have on the competition, I can see it even carry over into next year.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
April 20 2014 23:19 GMT
#1582
it was terrible watching vettel finish upwards of 30s of everyone else last year
someone else is winning now, but now its mercedes just replacing vettel,
still with these ridiculous gaps between the cars.
starleague forever
fzeroonline
Profile Joined December 2012
89 Posts
April 21 2014 00:06 GMT
#1583
it honestly looks like it'll be a mercedes 1-2 finish every race unless one of them gets a DNF. it needs to rain more often if we want to see closer races
drkcid
Profile Joined October 2012
Spain196 Posts
April 21 2014 08:15 GMT
#1584
This season will be saved thanks to the fight for the 3th to 10th and the fight between some team members (Richiardo-Vettel, Massa-Botas, Hamilton-Rosberg maybe?....)
If nothing changes Mercedes will replace RB and the championship will be the same than last year.

BTW they want to change the exhaust pipes (¿?) in the next races to make the sound louder, is that true?
Just for fun
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
April 21 2014 08:33 GMT
#1585
A longer and thinner exhaust pipe absorbs the sound waves from the engine. I believe the talk is making the exhausts shorter. Problem with that, its going to go back to diffuser area. So regs would need to be worded correctly or teams could exploit it. Don't think its for next race though. I could be wrong.
Whats the altitude?
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
April 21 2014 11:24 GMT
#1586
The mercedes is clearly the superior car but the hamilton - rosberg rivalry keeps the front interesting. Or are you going to tell me you didnt enjoy the back and forth in the race before china? Hamilton holding out after a safety car on inferior tyres.

3rd through 10th is really interesting, not alot in it really. Hulkenburg really stepping up for force india.

Vettel is only confirming what i believed in the first place, he was only ever a "good" driver because his car was better then everyone elses. He was younger and hungrier then webber and his car just trumped everyone elses for 4 years. You can see the frustration in him because his teammate is faster. He's rattled because he's lost his edge, his car isnt superior anymore and he's spent so long at the front he lost what little racing skill he had.

Vettel used to be a promising young driver, but 4 years of mechanical dominance instead of driver dominance just diminished his talent into nothingness.
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fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
April 21 2014 12:49 GMT
#1587
lol
Liquipedia@jkursk
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
April 21 2014 13:03 GMT
#1588
On April 21 2014 03:07 Release wrote:
* Race ended on 54 so Kobayashi technically passed Bianchi after the race

what?
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Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 13:07:49
April 21 2014 13:07 GMT
#1589
On April 21 2014 22:03 Noam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 03:07 Release wrote:
* Race ended on 54 so Kobayashi technically passed Bianchi after the race

what?



http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/9274835/chinese-gp-race-result-rewinded-after-chequered-flag-is-waved-prematurely

A bit silly really.
Whats the altitude?
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 19:08:46
April 21 2014 15:07 GMT
#1590
I still propound that Vettel is not as bad as many make him out to be, and cannot be conlcuded to be unequivocally worse than Ricciardo.

Australia comparison is null.
In Malaysia (before Ricciardo's problems), Vettel had the confidence and pace to stay longer than Alonso and Ricciardo, whereas Ricciardo immediately covered Alonso.
In Bahrain, Vettel was slightly slower, but the slowness was exaggerated by the safety car.
In Shanghai he was slower.

Overall, it's only slightly in favor of Daniel
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:25:09
April 21 2014 15:18 GMT
#1591
I think Vettel is better than Ricciardo but many people (in light of his four years of dominance only really having to beat Webber) suggested he was one of the greatest of all time. My opinion is that he is only the third best on the grid, possibly fourth because Hulkenberg needs a top seat to show his hand fully. Seb is just having a few problems adapting his style to the current car, he will figure it out sooner rather than later.

Edit:

"Time will tell us," Alonso said. "There are many years [to go in his career].

"He is 26 years old, so when he will have a car like the others, if he wins, he will have a great recognition and be one of the legends in F1.

"When one day he has a car like the others and he is fourth, fifth, seventh, these four titles will be bad news for him because people will take these four titles even in a worse manner than they are doing now.

"So there are interesting times for Sebastian coming."

I agree with Fernando in this.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 20:45:11
April 21 2014 19:16 GMT
#1592
+ Show Spoiler [nvm] +
In light of the limited data we have, it is difficult to state that Vettel is better than Ricciardo. However, in the same vein, many would argue that Hamilton is better than Button, but Button still very closely match Hamilton in 2012 and beat him in 2011. As we have seen, Hamilton is excellent when he has a decent car, but struggles to drive around a problem.

There is a possibility that the Red Bull is not performing as well as various software (or testing or the simulator) predicts and Ricciardo is dealing with the issues better than Vettel.

Also, Raikkonen this year is really pathetic. He is losing more time to Alonso than Massa did. Funny comment Martin Brundle made last year at the Chinese GP is that "Alonso and Massa start in the same car, a few meters apart, and by the end of the race, Alonso and Massa are half a minute apart. This is why Alonso is the #1 driver / championship contender and Massa isn't." Hulkenberg definitely should have gotten the Ferrari seat.
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fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
April 21 2014 19:20 GMT
#1593
another great point brought out in the coverage this weekend was the possibility that Ricciardo is used to struggling with the car, and this year's handful fits right in with his previous mindset/experiences
Meanwhile Vettel has had an increasingly solid car that just got better every year and is now thrown out of his comfort zone and once again has to concentrate on more things at once while driving. Adapting/relearning is stressful, especially when you're a 4-time & reigning champion - people expect you to instantly perform whatever you do.
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
April 21 2014 20:12 GMT
#1594
His driving style was heavily reliant on the blown diffuser and because he doesn't have that he is struggling, it is only a temporary problem though. You have to remember that RB did virtually no winter testing and that has made these changes harder to deal with.

As for you making this a Lewis v Seb thing Release, Button never outpaced Lewis and the reason that he beat him in 2011 was down to retirements and penalties. Nobody thinks Jenson (who I probably rate higher than most) was the superior driver, that is why both Mercedes and McLaren made him huge offers to sign for them. Struggling to drive around a problem, hmm like the 2009 McLaren you mean? One of the worst cars McLaren have ever produced. How did he get on with that?
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 21 2014 20:44 GMT
#1595
Point ceded.
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Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
April 21 2014 21:34 GMT
#1596
I think if hulkenberg was given the ferrari seat he would have been / would be challenging for podiums every race. Alonso is proving the car isn't as bad as made out to be this year and hulkenberg is really a sleeper driver imo. He's been driving for back of the grid / mid teams for years and i think he really has the hunger to start gunning for podium finishes at every race if not outright challenge for the title.
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mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
April 22 2014 06:07 GMT
#1597
On April 22 2014 04:16 Release wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [nvm] +
In light of the limited data we have, it is difficult to state that Vettel is better than Ricciardo. However, in the same vein, many would argue that Hamilton is better than Button, but Button still very closely match Hamilton in 2012 and beat him in 2011. As we have seen, Hamilton is excellent when he has a decent car, but struggles to drive around a problem.

There is a possibility that the Red Bull is not performing as well as various software (or testing or the simulator) predicts and Ricciardo is dealing with the issues better than Vettel.

Also, Raikkonen this year is really pathetic. He is losing more time to Alonso than Massa did. Funny comment Martin Brundle made last year at the Chinese GP is that "Alonso and Massa start in the same car, a few meters apart, and by the end of the race, Alonso and Massa are half a minute apart. This is why Alonso is the #1 driver / championship contender and Massa isn't." Hulkenberg definitely should have gotten the Ferrari seat.


I always thought Kimi is massively overrated. Mostly due to his huge fanboys and fangirls base.
There were hints before hes no quicker than Massa is..
oh in the sun sun having fun
Kiernan
Profile Joined April 2014
101 Posts
April 22 2014 06:32 GMT
#1598
Kimi is still a good driver, but Alonso is by far the best Driver in the field since like 10 years now.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
April 22 2014 14:22 GMT
#1599
As a big Raikkonen fan, I'm pretty sad to see the comments about him being overrated and pathetic. He's not doing well this year that's for sure, whether that's due to him getting old and lazy, not feeling the car, or whatever else - who knows; but it's probably worth at least not forgetting so quickly that barring the rather unfortunate string of events at the end of last season he would've actually made 3rd place in driver's championship in a Lotus which, while decent, was not at all a championship-quality car. Regardless, it's hardly warranted to fling feces at the guy.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
April 22 2014 15:20 GMT
#1600
Who is to say that Vettel, Hamilton or Alonso wouldn't have won the title in that car? That Lotus was awesome. Kimi lost his motivation (imo) when he signed that £30m pa Ferrari deal and married a supermodel.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
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