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Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:15:45
March 25 2013 20:15 GMT
#761
Deloading can be great though. Before winter break I was taking creatine and working out hard in the gym, not improving much. Then I took 3 weeks off during the break, only doing pushups to pump up for the beach. When I came back to the gym I was a lot stronger than before. It's possible that I was overtraining but I highly doubt it.
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Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
March 25 2013 20:48 GMT
#762
On March 26 2013 05:13 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 02:09 phyre112 wrote:
On March 26 2013 01:11 Crushinator wrote:
On March 25 2013 19:03 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On March 25 2013 16:48 Malinor wrote:
On March 25 2013 06:49 autoexec wrote:
Will taking whey isolate after a workout and having a smaller dinner afterwards be better for building lean muscle than just having a larger dinner and no protein after the workout? Or will it not make much of a difference?


Honestly, probably no one in the world knows this for sure. Just do what feels better to you.

A protein shake is liquid so it should be absorbed faster I think. Either way the difference is neglectible, focus on sleep and hitting your macros (things that actually DO make a difference).


The protein isnt absorbed quicker just because it is mixed with a liquid, that has nothing to do with it. Whey protein is simply a protein that is broken down quickly, but a casein shake for example is metabolized very slowly. It is only the type of protein that matters.

I don't think protein timing matters much at all. Aslong as you eat enough protein during the first 24 hours after working out, you should be fine. Unless you are injecting insulin and growth hormones or something, then it might.


That's not true.

Liquids are digested faster than solids because there are less steps required in their digestion. Whey is digested faster than casein because it's chemical structure allows it to be digested more easily and to pass through membranes more quickly.

whey is also not "fast absorbing" - it's only absorbed at a rate of something like 7grams per hour.... it's just "fastER" than casein which absorbs at something like 3g/hour.


Protein power does not dissolve in water. At no point does the powder become a liquid. Whey is fast absorbing, because almost all the other proteins absorb slower.


This.

And I'd like to add, the reason why whey is absorbed quicker is because the stuff you use is ground up really fine. This gives more surface area for your body to metabolize in your stomach/small intestine.

But there's more. After a workout, your metabolism takes a little while to restart. If you're getting hungry during a workout, you're doing something wrong. Drinking a protein shake is an easier way for your body to begin digesting instead of a solid piece of cheese, even though both have the same proteins.
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Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
March 25 2013 21:02 GMT
#763
On March 26 2013 05:05 AoN.DimSum wrote:
thoughts on deloading haha



He looks identical to almost every US person involved in powerlifting.

One of these days I'm going to have to shave my head and grow a beard, and put on a bunch more fat.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 22:12:28
March 25 2013 22:12 GMT
#764
On March 26 2013 05:13 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 02:09 phyre112 wrote:
On March 26 2013 01:11 Crushinator wrote:
On March 25 2013 19:03 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On March 25 2013 16:48 Malinor wrote:
On March 25 2013 06:49 autoexec wrote:
Will taking whey isolate after a workout and having a smaller dinner afterwards be better for building lean muscle than just having a larger dinner and no protein after the workout? Or will it not make much of a difference?


Honestly, probably no one in the world knows this for sure. Just do what feels better to you.

A protein shake is liquid so it should be absorbed faster I think. Either way the difference is neglectible, focus on sleep and hitting your macros (things that actually DO make a difference).


The protein isnt absorbed quicker just because it is mixed with a liquid, that has nothing to do with it. Whey protein is simply a protein that is broken down quickly, but a casein shake for example is metabolized very slowly. It is only the type of protein that matters.

I don't think protein timing matters much at all. Aslong as you eat enough protein during the first 24 hours after working out, you should be fine. Unless you are injecting insulin and growth hormones or something, then it might.


That's not true.

Liquids are digested faster than solids because there are less steps required in their digestion. Whey is digested faster than casein because it's chemical structure allows it to be digested more easily and to pass through membranes more quickly.

whey is also not "fast absorbing" - it's only absorbed at a rate of something like 7grams per hour.... it's just "fastER" than casein which absorbs at something like 3g/hour.


Protein power does not dissolve in water. At no point does the powder become a liquid. Whey is fast absorbing, because almost all the other proteins absorb slower.


My point wasn't that "protein powder is a liquid" it was to point out that the reason things get digested faster is because of the number of steps needed to digest them - liquids have fewer steps than solids, and whey has fewer steps than casein. Powder gets digested faster than larger meals too, but slower than liquid because it has a higher surface:area ratio, so a greater proportion of enzymes can be active upon it at a given time. That's how biology works.

And my second point was that "fast" is a relative term, and what you were calling "fast" still takes over 3 hours to digest a single scoop from a protein shake, not counting what you mix it with.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
March 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#765
wednesday

skipped, done some cd and had 2 cigarettes

fri

skipped also

saturday

run 22 mins

sunday

run 25 mins

monday

squat 90kg 6-5-5 a bit poor
bench 80kg 7-6-6
deadlift 130kg 5-3, 120kg 5, pretty poor
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 25 2013 22:29 GMT
#766
About to go do my second workout of Smolov base cycle. Kill me now
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Vitruvian
Profile Joined September 2011
United States168 Posts
March 25 2013 22:31 GMT
#767
On March 26 2013 07:22 FFGenerations wrote:
and had 2 cigarettes


GODDAMMIT STAHP
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 25 2013 23:22 GMT
#768
Survived, but just barely.
Front squat
1x7x212
4x7x207

Accidentally did 212 for my first set D:
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Adel
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium86 Posts
March 26 2013 00:02 GMT
#769
On March 25 2013 13:37 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 06:41 Adel wrote:
On March 25 2013 04:45 mordek wrote:
On March 25 2013 02:13 Adel wrote:
On March 25 2013 00:18 sJarl wrote:
What are you planning on competing in Adel and what articular problems have you had? Just wondering why it is too dangerous for you to do CJ's and Snatches.

I'd say it is going to take quite some time to reach your goals on a cut but a maintenance diet would at least what you are going to need if you plan on packing on some muscle.

gl&hf!



I've had (and still have) chronic arthritis.
I feel like CJ's and snatches are too dangerous for everyone, and since I have a rather weak bone structure... I stay away from those two.
I'm already very leery of deadlifts, actually.

And Deadeight's right, I'm planning on competing in MMA and Chinese Boxing (Sanda). Or at least, I'd like to and will do what I can to do so. Not sure if it'll be possible though.
Also, there's a 66kg weight class for powerlifters, even though I'm not sure about its name. Could be worth giving it a shot in a couple years.
I would've also loved to compete and represent my University, but there are no sports I love/am good enough at.

About my goals, it sure will take some time, especially on a cut, but I won't be cutting forever. As soon as I reach about 65kgs, I'll stop cutting and will resume eating 3-4000cal/day (I'd need to calculate the exact amount I need to maintain that body weight considering how much I'll be working out at that moment etc).

Well, gotta go eat a lil' something before my 3-hour Sunday evening workout! (1 hour of cardio + 2 hours weightlifting)

See y'all!

I may just be naive but it seems really odd you're leery of olympic lifting yet compete in MMA... no?


I don't compete yet but I should start six to twelve months from now (even though my absolute priority right now is graduating).
Not much can happen to you while competing in MMA (besides a broken nose and various flesh wounds).
But olympic lifting can put huge amounts of stress on the spine, and a wrong movement can mean the end of everything sports related in your life forever, and like I said, my joints are weaker than they should be (even though working out really strengthened them, I still don't feel comfortable doing many things most people have no trouble doing).

The workout I did tonight was great. I just hope that not too much catabolism happened, since I'd had maybe 700cal since this morning. Had more now, though (protein shake, ...).

Why do you guys prefer splitting your body in several parts (and having like a chest/leg day, then a back day, etc) over a split routine with days exclusively for upper body and other exclusively for lower body (I usually include abs and traps with lower body because I never have enough time to do those exercises properly on upper body days) ?


Olympic lifting is an exceedingly safe sport. super super safe. It's very hard to hurt yourself because worse comes to worse and feel like anything hurts you just drop the bar and get out of the way. Any sort of proper heavy lifting is going to put stress on your spine, which is not a bad thing. Your spine is built to support weight so as long as you keep proper form there's no worries. It will also make your spine stronger which will help you in MMA and life in general.


Yeah, I don't know if it came across correctly, but I wasn't trying to say that you could be crushed under the BB.
If your back doesn't stay straight enough, you have an extreme amount of stress put on intervertebral discs in your lower back, and you run the risk of a serious injury. Not much of a problem if you do it properly, because it doesn't happen. My point is : it's very hard to do it properly.
I tried a BB military press, but I have too much trouble keeping my back straight while doing it, so olympic lifting is out of question for now. I'm becoming able to do a couple exercices I couldn't do because of joint flexibility problems. Maybe olympic lifting'll be be one of them someday.

On March 25 2013 14:23 Deadeight wrote:
You can always move out of the way during an Olympic lift, despite how dodgey they look.

Helps that they're generally trained in very low reps as well so you don't get exhausted during a set. Like with deadlift, I once was grinding out a rep and it slipped out of my left hand, ended up with me falling over backwards with the 200kg bar down on top of me (shins still vertical), luckily all I got was two bruised quads (and pride). Super safe though. I don't know anyone who has gotten injured from lifting, can't say the same for "safe" stuff like football (soccer) though, I've never understood how they get so many injuries, more than rugby.


Yeah you got off lucky
The most common injury when you're playing football (so, soccer yeah) is with the menisc. There are various injuries based on that (shattered menisc, sometimes it just leaves the knee and wanders around your shin, ...), most of them requiring surgery.
Also since there are many cases of muscle/tendon/ligament hyperextension, they can be torn pretty easily too.
Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
March 26 2013 01:42 GMT
#770
Anyone have experience of bulking up for football? Right now I play quarterback for a team in Sweden, but I'm going to a school in america this fall to study and play football. I figured I'm not nearly good enough to play QB in a US team so I figured I was gonna switch to my old position of Wr/Safety. I'm 6'3 and 198 pounds, I feel like I need to go up a couple pounds, maybe 205 something would be enough and not loose speed. Tips on stuff that will help you bulk up but maintain speed would be appreciated.

Right now I do:
Deadlift: 365 lbs x3
Bench: 176 x5
Squats:286 x3
Dips + 55 x8

Thanks!
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
March 26 2013 02:29 GMT
#771
Couple US national champs were in the gym today so that was a nice change of pace. And some giant black guy asked where i played ball at lols

FS- 70 100 120 130 140 150 then 10 singles of 160 every minute.
CJ- 70 100 120 130 133 137 140 143x 143 147(no jerk)
Snatch - 70 90x(rofl) 90 100 110 120 125x


Where in america are you going to? If you're going to play WR and bulk a bit you're going to want to focus on a lot of skill specific things like agility, route running, and hand skills.

On March 26 2013 04:30 sJarl wrote:
This post is for Decaf: I may have set my CJ goals too low. Goal was 90kg. Did 85kg today on my first workout...

Not complaining though.


Told you :-D

@cambium nice!
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
March 26 2013 02:44 GMT
#772
On March 26 2013 10:42 Intact wrote:
Anyone have experience of bulking up for football? Right now I play quarterback for a team in Sweden, but I'm going to a school in america this fall to study and play football. I figured I'm not nearly good enough to play QB in a US team so I figured I was gonna switch to my old position of Wr/Safety. I'm 6'3 and 198 pounds, I feel like I need to go up a couple pounds, maybe 205 something would be enough and not loose speed. Tips on stuff that will help you bulk up but maintain speed would be appreciated.

Right now I do:
Deadlift: 365 lbs x3
Bench: 176 x5
Squats:286 x3
Dips + 55 x8

Thanks!

You are plenty big to play WO in high school. I agree with Decaf, your biggest issue will be skills and agility/speed. Also standards for high school football are very very varied across the US.
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
March 26 2013 03:11 GMT
#773
Today

Session 1 (pounds. 130-3pm)
c&j 135, 155, 175, 185, 195, 205, 210x(miss jerk)
sn pulls triples 155, 160, 165, 170, 170
squat 225x2, 245x2, 265x2, 275x1

Session 2 (kilos. 8pm)
squat 100x3, 110x3, 120x2, 125, 130, 135, 140(miss), 140, 145(miss), 115x3, 120x3, 125x3
power jerks 60kgx3x3

Time to eat and crash lol.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
March 26 2013 03:50 GMT
#774
On March 26 2013 02:35 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 21:23 Cambium wrote:
Working on FS, 130kg pr today

Damn, I'll catch up to you... PR with belt is 280 atm

just a baby plate away
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
March 26 2013 04:11 GMT
#775
On March 26 2013 07:12 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:13 Crushinator wrote:
On March 26 2013 02:09 phyre112 wrote:
On March 26 2013 01:11 Crushinator wrote:
On March 25 2013 19:03 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On March 25 2013 16:48 Malinor wrote:
On March 25 2013 06:49 autoexec wrote:
Will taking whey isolate after a workout and having a smaller dinner afterwards be better for building lean muscle than just having a larger dinner and no protein after the workout? Or will it not make much of a difference?


Honestly, probably no one in the world knows this for sure. Just do what feels better to you.

A protein shake is liquid so it should be absorbed faster I think. Either way the difference is neglectible, focus on sleep and hitting your macros (things that actually DO make a difference).


The protein isnt absorbed quicker just because it is mixed with a liquid, that has nothing to do with it. Whey protein is simply a protein that is broken down quickly, but a casein shake for example is metabolized very slowly. It is only the type of protein that matters.

I don't think protein timing matters much at all. Aslong as you eat enough protein during the first 24 hours after working out, you should be fine. Unless you are injecting insulin and growth hormones or something, then it might.


That's not true.

Liquids are digested faster than solids because there are less steps required in their digestion. Whey is digested faster than casein because it's chemical structure allows it to be digested more easily and to pass through membranes more quickly.

whey is also not "fast absorbing" - it's only absorbed at a rate of something like 7grams per hour.... it's just "fastER" than casein which absorbs at something like 3g/hour.


Protein power does not dissolve in water. At no point does the powder become a liquid. Whey is fast absorbing, because almost all the other proteins absorb slower.


My point wasn't that "protein powder is a liquid" it was to point out that the reason things get digested faster is because of the number of steps needed to digest them - liquids have fewer steps than solids, and whey has fewer steps than casein. Powder gets digested faster than larger meals too, but slower than liquid because it has a higher surface:area ratio, so a greater proportion of enzymes can be active upon it at a given time. That's how biology works.

And my second point was that "fast" is a relative term, and what you were calling "fast" still takes over 3 hours to digest a single scoop from a protein shake, not counting what you mix it with.


Number of steps? This doesn't change. And I think you meant surface area:volume ratio.

Also, it takes considerably longer than 3 hours to fully metabolize anything that's not a sugar or water.

But, honestly, who cares. We drink whey for DAT PRO-TEIN.
Fear is the mind killer
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 05:07:09
March 26 2013 05:05 GMT
#776
Just the fact that it's in a shake means you do miss out certain mechanical digestion steps (chewing is an obvious one, stomach also does some). Then because it's a powder, surface area. So to the original question if you drink a shake it's going to be quicker than if you eat a steak. But it probably doesn't matter.

It may be semantics as well, but casein doesn't "absorb" more slowly, because casein doesn't get absorbed. Amino acids get absorbed. Casein takes a long time to digest because of acid coagulation, so surface area etc.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 26 2013 09:28 GMT
#777
On March 26 2013 07:22 FFGenerations wrote:
wednesday

skipped, done some cd and had 2 cigarettes

fri

skipped also

Just wanted you to know that if you really insist on fucking up your life, not only can I not stop you but I also don't give a shit. This is YOU not sticking to promises and YOU taking the blame. I don't get why you insist on being mediocre.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 12:47:12
March 26 2013 12:38 GMT
#778
Updated my goals post with pictures

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bw 93,5kg @ 185cm.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
March 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#779
Not going to cut down to 94kg but i'm going to stop eating like a pig and see if it drifts down that way ^_^ Starting...yesterday
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
March 26 2013 16:17 GMT
#780
On March 26 2013 11:44 feanor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:42 Intact wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyone have experience of bulking up for football? Right now I play quarterback for a team in Sweden, but I'm going to a school in america this fall to study and play football. I figured I'm not nearly good enough to play QB in a US team so I figured I was gonna switch to my old position of Wr/Safety. I'm 6'3 and 198 pounds, I feel like I need to go up a couple pounds, maybe 205 something would be enough and not loose speed. Tips on stuff that will help you bulk up but maintain speed would be appreciated.

Right now I do:
Deadlift: 365 lbs x3
Bench: 176 x5
Squats:286 x3
Dips + 55 x8

Thanks!


You are plenty big to play WO in high school. I agree with Decaf, your biggest issue will be skills and agility/speed. Also standards for high school football are very very varied across the US.


I'm going to a Junior college in California, don't know how it compares to high school level but I guess similar or slightly better.

Workout question: I've never really done deadlifts before, so the 365x3 was just trying out how far I could go yesterday, but today my lower back and abs are killing me ( not injury pain, post workout soreness). Is it supposed to hit back/abs more than legs?
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