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Teence
Canada157 Posts
On August 15 2012 00:03 RvB wrote: In addition I doubt they're going to invest that much money into a 29 year old who they can write off after 2-3 years. Indeed. I think Fergie's reputation for making (generally) intelligent investments in young and up-and-coming talent much moreso than in established players pretty much confirms that article is sensationalist at best. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
1) Rooney is the only consistent goal-scoring striker the team has. Hernandez's form slipped last season and his ball control is poor - he is a pure poacher, which is becoming less useful in the modern game. Welbeck has potential but hasn't really produced in the league, yet. This means that when Rooney isn't scoring, the team struggles to find goals. When Rooney can't play, the team scarcely has any scoring threat at all. RVP alleviates that problem. 2) Kagawa's purchase should (should, should) signal a move to a more modern formation like 4-2-3-1. An attacking 3 of Nani-Rooney-Kagawa with RVP up top would be very strong and very fluid. Neither Valencia nor Young are great choices for attacking mid roles. In fact Valencia has been played as RB during much of United's preseason tour... with the way attackers' roles are evolving, that may be a better position for a player whose main attributes are pace, crossing, and work rate. However if the team plays 4-4-2, say in a league game against a mid-low level team, then Valencia and Young would have traditional winger roles that they fill naturally, and they would have two great striker targets to find in the box. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:21 Signet wrote: United have been linked with RVP for weeks now. I don't know what to make of it. However, in defense of the move (if true) 1) Rooney is the only consistent goal-scoring striker the team has. Hernandez's form slipped last season and his ball control is poor - he is a pure poacher, which is becoming less useful in the modern game. Welbeck has potential but hasn't really produced in the league, yet. This means that when Rooney isn't scoring, the team struggles to find goals. When Rooney can't play, the team scarcely has any scoring threat at all. RVP alleviates that problem. 2) Kagawa's purchase should (should, should) signal a move to a more modern formation like 4-2-3-1. An attacking 3 of Nani-Rooney-Kagawa with RVP up top would be very strong and very fluid. Neither Valencia nor Young are great choices for attacking mid roles. In fact Valencia has been played as RB during much of United's preseason tour... with the way attackers' roles are evolving, that may be a better position for a player whose main attributes are pace, crossing, and work rate. However if the team plays 4-4-2, say in a league game against a mid-low level team, then Valencia and Young would have traditional winger roles that they fill naturally, and they would have two great striker targets to find in the box. Interesting analysis, especially from someone listed as living in the US  . That formation looks good, but Man U have for so long been a wing attack team and they get a lot of success with it. I don't think they should abandon their principles. Valencia and Nani on the wings is one of the most dangerous pair of wingers in the modern game, and imo more reliable than Robben/Ribery.I think the formation you suggest would indeed be useful against a team like Barca or Real though so I agree with you on the most part. | ||
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DaMuffinman
Germany1705 Posts
Carmac just posted on twitter, that there is also an IEM-League, Code: 1048912-254784 | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Omg its true! Im in rofl Carmacs team going down. I'll add the link to OP as well, so we can be in both | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:21 Signet wrote: United have been linked with RVP for weeks now. I don't know what to make of it. However, in defense of the move (if true) 1) Rooney is the only consistent goal-scoring striker the team has. Hernandez's form slipped last season and his ball control is poor - he is a pure poacher, which is becoming less useful in the modern game. Welbeck has potential but hasn't really produced in the league, yet. This means that when Rooney isn't scoring, the team struggles to find goals. When Rooney can't play, the team scarcely has any scoring threat at all. RVP alleviates that problem. 2) Kagawa's purchase should (should, should) signal a move to a more modern formation like 4-2-3-1. An attacking 3 of Nani-Rooney-Kagawa with RVP up top would be very strong and very fluid. Neither Valencia nor Young are great choices for attacking mid roles. In fact Valencia has been played as RB during much of United's preseason tour... with the way attackers' roles are evolving, that may be a better position for a player whose main attributes are pace, crossing, and work rate. However if the team plays 4-4-2, say in a league game against a mid-low level team, then Valencia and Young would have traditional winger roles that they fill naturally, and they would have two great striker targets to find in the box. Which actually makes it a very good move for both him and United tbh. Theres hardly any need to be defensive about it. Hernandez is good but hes a significantly different option compared to what RVP brings to the table, Welbeck could use some more time on the bench after last year. The 4 2 3 1 involves a double pivot that United isnt really equipped to handle at the moment, especially if its going to be used against quality opposition. Michael Carrick and Fletcher (who hopefully for them is fit) arent really going to cut, or maybe Cleverly will save the day I dont know. Anyway its not their best option. Madrid is the only team that really has used it effectively recently of the top of my head. But some iteration of a front 3 with Kagawa in behind the strikers could work pretty well. Regardless its definately a higher value proposition than going to RM lol, who in their right mind is going to believe after last years performances that Hernandez and Welbeck are more important to their teams than Benzema and Higuain arguably two of the best strikers in europe last season who probably wouldve doubled both their respective tallys (which are still quite high) if they werent swapping out for each other. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:21 Signet wrote: United have been linked with RVP for weeks now. I don't know what to make of it. However, in defense of the move (if true) 1) Rooney is the only consistent goal-scoring striker the team has. Hernandez's form slipped last season and his ball control is poor - he is a pure poacher, which is becoming less useful in the modern game. Welbeck has potential but hasn't really produced in the league, yet. This means that when Rooney isn't scoring, the team struggles to find goals. When Rooney can't play, the team scarcely has any scoring threat at all. RVP alleviates that problem. 2) Kagawa's purchase should (should, should) signal a move to a more modern formation like 4-2-3-1. An attacking 3 of Nani-Rooney-Kagawa with RVP up top would be very strong and very fluid. Neither Valencia nor Young are great choices for attacking mid roles. In fact Valencia has been played as RB during much of United's preseason tour... with the way attackers' roles are evolving, that may be a better position for a player whose main attributes are pace, crossing, and work rate. However if the team plays 4-4-2, say in a league game against a mid-low level team, then Valencia and Young would have traditional winger roles that they fill naturally, and they would have two great striker targets to find in the box. football manager alert immediately went off when I read this, ha Actually, I think rvp will move away from EPL altogether, if he were to move. I'm surprised somewhat PSG haven't expressed interest given the circumstances. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On August 15 2012 03:07 Rebs wrote: The 4 2 3 1 involves a double pivot that United isnt really equipped to handle at the moment, especially if its going to be used against quality opposition. Michael Carrick and Fletcher (who hopefully for them is fit) arent really going to cut, or maybe Cleverly will save the day I dont know. Anyway its not their best option. Madrid is the only team that really has used it effectively recently of the top of my head. But some iteration of a front 3 with Kagawa in behind the strikers could work pretty well. Yeah, that position (CM) is going to be trouble for United if we don't add somebody. It was evident in both matches against City, the loss to Newcastle, failing to beat Benfica or Basel, losing to Bilbao... that the current midfield lacks the physical presence to stand up to some teams. The 442 is especially demanding on central mids to play in the box-to-box mold, while giving them primarily defensive/holding responsibilities could cover the weakness some? But there has to be a quality CM signing at some point regardless (and I'm not sold on him even now). Even if Tuncliffe develops into a player like Fletcher, Carrick will likely start to decline by the time that happens, and Scholes will be gone. Sadly I don't think Fletcher will ever be fully fit again... that disease is a terrible thing. How do you feel about Bayern and Dortmund's use of the formation? I especially liked the latter's, watching them just decimate Bayern this past May... such great movement and Kagawa put on a clinic on how to play in the hole. City's formation when they won the 1-0 game in April used Barry/Toure Nasri/Tevez/Silva Aguero and just dominated the flow of the game, although City used a few formations last year (and nice 3-5-2 in the Community Shield, which really could be effective against a lot of EPL teams given the number using 4-4-2) | ||
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
but it is kinda strange that the referee doesn't sue luisao by civil law. he could especially sue him civilly in portugal. if punitive damages exist in portuguese law, he might get a decent amount of money. (german law does not have punitive damages.) here the best angle: | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
Germany 6:1 Argentina I know one shouldn't take results of games like that seriously, but wtf Argentina? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 15 2012 04:22 Signet wrote: How do you feel about Bayern and Dortmund's use of the formation? I especially liked the latter's, watching them just decimate Bayern this past May... such great movement and Kagawa put on a clinic on how to play in the hole. City's formation when they won the 1-0 game in April used Barry/Toure Nasri/Tevez/Silva Aguero and just dominated the flow of the game, although City used a few formations last year (and nice 3-5-2 in the Community Shield, which really could be effective against a lot of EPL teams given the number using 4-4-2) Well the jury is still out on Dortmund, thrashing Bayern is pretty nice and all but being a quality league team and Bayerns bogey team isnt much to go by going forward. They certainly setup well but I'd like to see how they do in the continent. The 4 2 3 1 certainly gives you control but it means teams are motivated to make the pitch alot smaller. Bayern is also built to to play it pretty well but theyre key men are to hot and cold and their movement in positions behind the striker was pretty clunky last year. People getting in each others way, not having a positive outlet if your on the ball (which should never happen in that system) that sort of thing. I see your point about having them play with reduced responsibility but that really just papers over cracks and its not like your absolved of responsibilities as far as making the play move forward is concerned. The whole idea is that its fluid and you can be allow to push up (Tuore) from that defensive role when you have the opportunity and someone from the front 3 slips in and trails to cover. Otherwise the game stagnates against teams that press well and you end up like something similar to England at the olympics against SK passing it back and forth amongst the defenders and then just knocking it down the flank after getting frustrated because your midfield isnt finding space. Ofcourse this is a quality opposition situation. Weaker teams wont give the same problems so its not much to worry about. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
Pity they decided to ditch it later on. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
News! Everton close in on £6m Mirallas Sky Sports sources understand Everton are close to completing the £6million signing of Olympiakos striker Kevin Mirallas. Source Anita in Magpies medical Sky Sports sources understand Ajax midfielder Vurnon Anita is having a medical at Newcastle. Source Milan interested in Bendtner AC Milan are showing significant interest in Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner, according to Sky Sports sources. Source | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On August 16 2012 00:24 Pandemona wrote: Milan interested in Bendtner AC Milan are showing significant interest in Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner, according to Sky Sports sources. Source Yes, please take him. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
Please don't. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
(For those who don't know the story, Muamba suffered a cardiac arrest during Bolton's FA Cup game vs Tottenham in March.) | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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DaMuffinman
Germany1705 Posts
It's said that Munich is going to pay the full 40 mio € for Martinez. Source (German) | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Aug/manchester-united-agree-deal-for-robin-van-persie.aspx | ||
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