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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 09 2012 19:22 GMT
#2221
On March 10 2012 03:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 02:12 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 01:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:20 Osmoses wrote:
On March 09 2012 22:33 FFGenerations wrote:
dude you probably know but most of us/nubs are doing the starting strength program (SS), which is "big 3" (or big 5) 3x a week..

but it is never to supposed to be to failure. the whole point of the program is that you can recover fast enough to be able to do those "big 3" three times per week. if you overdo it then you wont recover in time and are fucking up the program.

btw "to failure" afaik is doing your work sets (3x5) and then at the end of each set or at the end of all your sets you get someone to spot you and you just keep going and going until the spotter has to lift the bar off of you coz you've collapsed (sorta)

so ya, go ahead and skip squats next session to let your legs recover and give you a more fun/productive workout for that day. and then keep some awareness about you not to overdo it in the future. remember the whole point of going to the gym is to be able to recover intime to keep to your program

i kinda alternate, some days i just do my worksets and leave, some days i do my worksets and then get spotted to failure/do more random sets until im dead. but if you look at my progress spreadsheet , its kinda all over the place where i've fucked up link

edit also if youre on a cut i think you can expect the worst hehe


What I mean by "to failure" is basically RPT If I can do more than 5 reps on the first set then I'm not lifting enough, but the goal is to reach 7, which basically means I either get to 7 or to failure. And basically I dunno if Big 3 and SS had RPT and cutting in mind

On March 09 2012 23:09 infinity21 wrote:
Have you tried RPT? It worked for me while I was cutting and I have shittier recovery than most people I think.
Mix up light days in your workouts and don't train to failure on every movement every workout. If you're not lifting baby weights, your body won't be able to recover in time.

Maybe I'll try just doing 3x5 on wednesdays rather than RPT, thanks for the tip. =)

Or maybe cycle which exercise I do first? Like start with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday? I remember Berkhan saying don't change stuff, but again that might not apply to noobs like me.

edit: @Celltech: pretty sweet progress, really big difference on the abs but larger overall as well.


Never train to failure. It makes you weak. If you want mass, add more sets and possibly lower the weight a bit (10%)

According to Mr. Berkhan the first set is the most important, doing it until failure, and there are little to no benefits to doing more than 3 sets.


I do not know who Mr.Berkhan is, but he obv didnt gain 4 pounds in 4 weeks doing smolov.

He's the leangains guy, as far as his experience with smolov I really wouldn't know. There is so much misinformation based on anectodal evidence and so much broscience about working out I figured I'd just pick an expert and listen to him until I found reason to switch.

I've heard from several people that training to failure is where it's at. Who knows? I've only been doing serious barbell training for 3 months or so, I'm just trying to find a routine I like that gives results. I started out with a split routine with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday. I switched to big three mostly because I felt I wasn't doing squats often enough to get my form right and I'd read that split routines was for advanced lifters.

Now, I did just come out of a pretty severe bout of the flu, and that might be all this is I'm gonna keep it up for another week and see where I end up, and if I'm still having trouble I'll start tweaking.

Thanks for the input all =)
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
March 09 2012 19:27 GMT
#2222
We all agree that needsmoreCELLTECH needs to bulk more
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
March 09 2012 19:32 GMT
#2223
On March 10 2012 04:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 02:40 Mementoss wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:24 funkie wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:05 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Quick picture update: First picture was taken about 5 months ago before taking food and flattering light. Second picture is after 2000kcals means and tons of water. 78kg in first picture, 81 in second. Totally getting too bulky. Flexed abs in both pics, unflexed everything else.

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If you don't mind me saying,

you need to bulk the fuck up. more more more!


I agree actually lol. Also jw how tall are you?

Edit** Progress is looking really good, way more ripped in second picture than the first.

6'5 in your retarded metric system, 1.95 in ours I obviously want to get bigger, but other than being a little 'small' I think I look pretty good. Good progress regardless, hoped I'd motivate some people. Not training for aesthetics yet, I want see how strong I get by July 11th.

Jesus you have like 10cm on me and -15kg
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 09 2012 20:09 GMT
#2224
On March 10 2012 04:22 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 03:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 02:12 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 01:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:20 Osmoses wrote:
On March 09 2012 22:33 FFGenerations wrote:
dude you probably know but most of us/nubs are doing the starting strength program (SS), which is "big 3" (or big 5) 3x a week..

but it is never to supposed to be to failure. the whole point of the program is that you can recover fast enough to be able to do those "big 3" three times per week. if you overdo it then you wont recover in time and are fucking up the program.

btw "to failure" afaik is doing your work sets (3x5) and then at the end of each set or at the end of all your sets you get someone to spot you and you just keep going and going until the spotter has to lift the bar off of you coz you've collapsed (sorta)

so ya, go ahead and skip squats next session to let your legs recover and give you a more fun/productive workout for that day. and then keep some awareness about you not to overdo it in the future. remember the whole point of going to the gym is to be able to recover intime to keep to your program

i kinda alternate, some days i just do my worksets and leave, some days i do my worksets and then get spotted to failure/do more random sets until im dead. but if you look at my progress spreadsheet , its kinda all over the place where i've fucked up link

edit also if youre on a cut i think you can expect the worst hehe


What I mean by "to failure" is basically RPT If I can do more than 5 reps on the first set then I'm not lifting enough, but the goal is to reach 7, which basically means I either get to 7 or to failure. And basically I dunno if Big 3 and SS had RPT and cutting in mind

On March 09 2012 23:09 infinity21 wrote:
Have you tried RPT? It worked for me while I was cutting and I have shittier recovery than most people I think.
Mix up light days in your workouts and don't train to failure on every movement every workout. If you're not lifting baby weights, your body won't be able to recover in time.

Maybe I'll try just doing 3x5 on wednesdays rather than RPT, thanks for the tip. =)

Or maybe cycle which exercise I do first? Like start with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday? I remember Berkhan saying don't change stuff, but again that might not apply to noobs like me.

edit: @Celltech: pretty sweet progress, really big difference on the abs but larger overall as well.


Never train to failure. It makes you weak. If you want mass, add more sets and possibly lower the weight a bit (10%)

According to Mr. Berkhan the first set is the most important, doing it until failure, and there are little to no benefits to doing more than 3 sets.


I do not know who Mr.Berkhan is, but he obv didnt gain 4 pounds in 4 weeks doing smolov.

He's the leangains guy, as far as his experience with smolov I really wouldn't know. There is so much misinformation based on anectodal evidence and so much broscience about working out I figured I'd just pick an expert and listen to him until I found reason to switch.

I've heard from several people that training to failure is where it's at. Who knows? I've only been doing serious barbell training for 3 months or so, I'm just trying to find a routine I like that gives results. I started out with a split routine with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday. I switched to big three mostly because I felt I wasn't doing squats often enough to get my form right and I'd read that split routines was for advanced lifters.

Now, I did just come out of a pretty severe bout of the flu, and that might be all this is I'm gonna keep it up for another week and see where I end up, and if I'm still having trouble I'll start tweaking.

Thanks for the input all =)

Yeah, I've heard such mixed advice about training to failure. In the end, I've just decided to train to failure because then at least I know I'm giving it 100%. Once or twice I didn't train to failure, and each time I felt like I could have completed another rep if I'd just manned up and tried.

Did weighted chin-ups for the first time today. I can't believe how much harder it is! I was on 6-5-5 with unweighted chin-ups, but only managed 3-2.5-2 with a 5kg weight. I'll probably do 2.5kg weighted next time. Still, it's quite fun to do.
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 09 2012 20:19 GMT
#2225
On March 10 2012 05:09 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 04:22 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 03:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 02:12 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 01:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:20 Osmoses wrote:
On March 09 2012 22:33 FFGenerations wrote:
dude you probably know but most of us/nubs are doing the starting strength program (SS), which is "big 3" (or big 5) 3x a week..

but it is never to supposed to be to failure. the whole point of the program is that you can recover fast enough to be able to do those "big 3" three times per week. if you overdo it then you wont recover in time and are fucking up the program.

btw "to failure" afaik is doing your work sets (3x5) and then at the end of each set or at the end of all your sets you get someone to spot you and you just keep going and going until the spotter has to lift the bar off of you coz you've collapsed (sorta)

so ya, go ahead and skip squats next session to let your legs recover and give you a more fun/productive workout for that day. and then keep some awareness about you not to overdo it in the future. remember the whole point of going to the gym is to be able to recover intime to keep to your program

i kinda alternate, some days i just do my worksets and leave, some days i do my worksets and then get spotted to failure/do more random sets until im dead. but if you look at my progress spreadsheet , its kinda all over the place where i've fucked up link

edit also if youre on a cut i think you can expect the worst hehe


What I mean by "to failure" is basically RPT If I can do more than 5 reps on the first set then I'm not lifting enough, but the goal is to reach 7, which basically means I either get to 7 or to failure. And basically I dunno if Big 3 and SS had RPT and cutting in mind

On March 09 2012 23:09 infinity21 wrote:
Have you tried RPT? It worked for me while I was cutting and I have shittier recovery than most people I think.
Mix up light days in your workouts and don't train to failure on every movement every workout. If you're not lifting baby weights, your body won't be able to recover in time.

Maybe I'll try just doing 3x5 on wednesdays rather than RPT, thanks for the tip. =)

Or maybe cycle which exercise I do first? Like start with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday? I remember Berkhan saying don't change stuff, but again that might not apply to noobs like me.

edit: @Celltech: pretty sweet progress, really big difference on the abs but larger overall as well.


Never train to failure. It makes you weak. If you want mass, add more sets and possibly lower the weight a bit (10%)

According to Mr. Berkhan the first set is the most important, doing it until failure, and there are little to no benefits to doing more than 3 sets.


I do not know who Mr.Berkhan is, but he obv didnt gain 4 pounds in 4 weeks doing smolov.

He's the leangains guy, as far as his experience with smolov I really wouldn't know. There is so much misinformation based on anectodal evidence and so much broscience about working out I figured I'd just pick an expert and listen to him until I found reason to switch.

I've heard from several people that training to failure is where it's at. Who knows? I've only been doing serious barbell training for 3 months or so, I'm just trying to find a routine I like that gives results. I started out with a split routine with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday. I switched to big three mostly because I felt I wasn't doing squats often enough to get my form right and I'd read that split routines was for advanced lifters.

Now, I did just come out of a pretty severe bout of the flu, and that might be all this is I'm gonna keep it up for another week and see where I end up, and if I'm still having trouble I'll start tweaking.

Thanks for the input all =)

Yeah, I've heard such mixed advice about training to failure. In the end, I've just decided to train to failure because then at least I know I'm giving it 100%. Once or twice I didn't train to failure, and each time I felt like I could have completed another rep if I'd just manned up and tried.

Did weighted chin-ups for the first time today. I can't believe how much harder it is! I was on 6-5-5 with unweighted chin-ups, but only managed 3-2.5-2 with a 5kg weight. I'll probably do 2.5kg weighted next time. Still, it's quite fun to do.

lol don't jump up by 5kg. I suggest you go up in 1.25kg increments. The good thing about chin-ups is that you can do them every workout so 1.25kg jumps aren't actually that slow.
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 09 2012 20:49 GMT
#2226
On March 10 2012 05:19 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 05:09 Daigomi wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:22 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 03:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 02:12 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 01:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:20 Osmoses wrote:
On March 09 2012 22:33 FFGenerations wrote:
dude you probably know but most of us/nubs are doing the starting strength program (SS), which is "big 3" (or big 5) 3x a week..

but it is never to supposed to be to failure. the whole point of the program is that you can recover fast enough to be able to do those "big 3" three times per week. if you overdo it then you wont recover in time and are fucking up the program.

btw "to failure" afaik is doing your work sets (3x5) and then at the end of each set or at the end of all your sets you get someone to spot you and you just keep going and going until the spotter has to lift the bar off of you coz you've collapsed (sorta)

so ya, go ahead and skip squats next session to let your legs recover and give you a more fun/productive workout for that day. and then keep some awareness about you not to overdo it in the future. remember the whole point of going to the gym is to be able to recover intime to keep to your program

i kinda alternate, some days i just do my worksets and leave, some days i do my worksets and then get spotted to failure/do more random sets until im dead. but if you look at my progress spreadsheet , its kinda all over the place where i've fucked up link

edit also if youre on a cut i think you can expect the worst hehe


What I mean by "to failure" is basically RPT If I can do more than 5 reps on the first set then I'm not lifting enough, but the goal is to reach 7, which basically means I either get to 7 or to failure. And basically I dunno if Big 3 and SS had RPT and cutting in mind

On March 09 2012 23:09 infinity21 wrote:
Have you tried RPT? It worked for me while I was cutting and I have shittier recovery than most people I think.
Mix up light days in your workouts and don't train to failure on every movement every workout. If you're not lifting baby weights, your body won't be able to recover in time.

Maybe I'll try just doing 3x5 on wednesdays rather than RPT, thanks for the tip. =)

Or maybe cycle which exercise I do first? Like start with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday? I remember Berkhan saying don't change stuff, but again that might not apply to noobs like me.

edit: @Celltech: pretty sweet progress, really big difference on the abs but larger overall as well.


Never train to failure. It makes you weak. If you want mass, add more sets and possibly lower the weight a bit (10%)

According to Mr. Berkhan the first set is the most important, doing it until failure, and there are little to no benefits to doing more than 3 sets.


I do not know who Mr.Berkhan is, but he obv didnt gain 4 pounds in 4 weeks doing smolov.

He's the leangains guy, as far as his experience with smolov I really wouldn't know. There is so much misinformation based on anectodal evidence and so much broscience about working out I figured I'd just pick an expert and listen to him until I found reason to switch.

I've heard from several people that training to failure is where it's at. Who knows? I've only been doing serious barbell training for 3 months or so, I'm just trying to find a routine I like that gives results. I started out with a split routine with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday. I switched to big three mostly because I felt I wasn't doing squats often enough to get my form right and I'd read that split routines was for advanced lifters.

Now, I did just come out of a pretty severe bout of the flu, and that might be all this is I'm gonna keep it up for another week and see where I end up, and if I'm still having trouble I'll start tweaking.

Thanks for the input all =)

Yeah, I've heard such mixed advice about training to failure. In the end, I've just decided to train to failure because then at least I know I'm giving it 100%. Once or twice I didn't train to failure, and each time I felt like I could have completed another rep if I'd just manned up and tried.

Did weighted chin-ups for the first time today. I can't believe how much harder it is! I was on 6-5-5 with unweighted chin-ups, but only managed 3-2.5-2 with a 5kg weight. I'll probably do 2.5kg weighted next time. Still, it's quite fun to do.

lol don't jump up by 5kg. I suggest you go up in 1.25kg increments. The good thing about chin-ups is that you can do them every workout so 1.25kg jumps aren't actually that slow.

Haha yeah, I was a bit optimistic. Wasn't expecting to do 5-5-5, but I though I could probably do 5-4-3 or so :p Since I'm resting my wrist from bench, I'm replacing my bench with chin-ups for the next two weeks. So I'll be doing chin-ups every session, in which case your 1.25kg recommendation is probably for the best.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 20:54:09
March 09 2012 20:53 GMT
#2227
On March 10 2012 05:09 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 04:22 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 03:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 02:12 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 01:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:20 Osmoses wrote:
On March 09 2012 22:33 FFGenerations wrote:
dude you probably know but most of us/nubs are doing the starting strength program (SS), which is "big 3" (or big 5) 3x a week..

but it is never to supposed to be to failure. the whole point of the program is that you can recover fast enough to be able to do those "big 3" three times per week. if you overdo it then you wont recover in time and are fucking up the program.

btw "to failure" afaik is doing your work sets (3x5) and then at the end of each set or at the end of all your sets you get someone to spot you and you just keep going and going until the spotter has to lift the bar off of you coz you've collapsed (sorta)

so ya, go ahead and skip squats next session to let your legs recover and give you a more fun/productive workout for that day. and then keep some awareness about you not to overdo it in the future. remember the whole point of going to the gym is to be able to recover intime to keep to your program

i kinda alternate, some days i just do my worksets and leave, some days i do my worksets and then get spotted to failure/do more random sets until im dead. but if you look at my progress spreadsheet , its kinda all over the place where i've fucked up link

edit also if youre on a cut i think you can expect the worst hehe


What I mean by "to failure" is basically RPT If I can do more than 5 reps on the first set then I'm not lifting enough, but the goal is to reach 7, which basically means I either get to 7 or to failure. And basically I dunno if Big 3 and SS had RPT and cutting in mind

On March 09 2012 23:09 infinity21 wrote:
Have you tried RPT? It worked for me while I was cutting and I have shittier recovery than most people I think.
Mix up light days in your workouts and don't train to failure on every movement every workout. If you're not lifting baby weights, your body won't be able to recover in time.

Maybe I'll try just doing 3x5 on wednesdays rather than RPT, thanks for the tip. =)

Or maybe cycle which exercise I do first? Like start with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday? I remember Berkhan saying don't change stuff, but again that might not apply to noobs like me.

edit: @Celltech: pretty sweet progress, really big difference on the abs but larger overall as well.


Never train to failure. It makes you weak. If you want mass, add more sets and possibly lower the weight a bit (10%)

According to Mr. Berkhan the first set is the most important, doing it until failure, and there are little to no benefits to doing more than 3 sets.


I do not know who Mr.Berkhan is, but he obv didnt gain 4 pounds in 4 weeks doing smolov.

He's the leangains guy, as far as his experience with smolov I really wouldn't know. There is so much misinformation based on anectodal evidence and so much broscience about working out I figured I'd just pick an expert and listen to him until I found reason to switch.

I've heard from several people that training to failure is where it's at. Who knows? I've only been doing serious barbell training for 3 months or so, I'm just trying to find a routine I like that gives results. I started out with a split routine with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday. I switched to big three mostly because I felt I wasn't doing squats often enough to get my form right and I'd read that split routines was for advanced lifters.

Now, I did just come out of a pretty severe bout of the flu, and that might be all this is I'm gonna keep it up for another week and see where I end up, and if I'm still having trouble I'll start tweaking.

Thanks for the input all =)

Yeah, I've heard such mixed advice about training to failure. In the end, I've just decided to train to failure because then at least I know I'm giving it 100%. Once or twice I didn't train to failure, and each time I felt like I could have completed another rep if I'd just manned up and tried.

Did weighted chin-ups for the first time today. I can't believe how much harder it is! I was on 6-5-5 with unweighted chin-ups, but only managed 3-2.5-2 with a 5kg weight. I'll probably do 2.5kg weighted next time. Still, it's quite fun to do.

This. I hate going in the showers feeling like I could have lifted more.

I can barely do 5 chins bw, I do so long for the day when I can strap a weight on there
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 09 2012 21:11 GMT
#2228
On March 10 2012 04:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 02:40 Mementoss wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:24 funkie wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:05 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Quick picture update: First picture was taken about 5 months ago before taking food and flattering light. Second picture is after 2000kcals means and tons of water. 78kg in first picture, 81 in second. Totally getting too bulky. Flexed abs in both pics, unflexed everything else.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


If you don't mind me saying,

you need to bulk the fuck up. more more more!


I agree actually lol. Also jw how tall are you?

Edit** Progress is looking really good, way more ripped in second picture than the first.

6'5 in your retarded metric system, 1.95 in ours I obviously want to get bigger, but other than being a little 'small' I think I look pretty good. Good progress regardless, hoped I'd motivate some people. Not training for aesthetics yet, I want see how strong I get by July 11th.


Lol you mean the metric system that uses metric but since the states are so close we end up using both QQ. Yeah its annoying I would like pure metric, but I can imagine pounds and inches better since thats what I grew up with -_-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 09 2012 21:22 GMT
#2229
On March 10 2012 05:53 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 05:09 Daigomi wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:22 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 03:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 02:12 Osmoses wrote:
On March 10 2012 01:54 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 10 2012 00:20 Osmoses wrote:
On March 09 2012 22:33 FFGenerations wrote:
dude you probably know but most of us/nubs are doing the starting strength program (SS), which is "big 3" (or big 5) 3x a week..

but it is never to supposed to be to failure. the whole point of the program is that you can recover fast enough to be able to do those "big 3" three times per week. if you overdo it then you wont recover in time and are fucking up the program.

btw "to failure" afaik is doing your work sets (3x5) and then at the end of each set or at the end of all your sets you get someone to spot you and you just keep going and going until the spotter has to lift the bar off of you coz you've collapsed (sorta)

so ya, go ahead and skip squats next session to let your legs recover and give you a more fun/productive workout for that day. and then keep some awareness about you not to overdo it in the future. remember the whole point of going to the gym is to be able to recover intime to keep to your program

i kinda alternate, some days i just do my worksets and leave, some days i do my worksets and then get spotted to failure/do more random sets until im dead. but if you look at my progress spreadsheet , its kinda all over the place where i've fucked up link

edit also if youre on a cut i think you can expect the worst hehe


What I mean by "to failure" is basically RPT If I can do more than 5 reps on the first set then I'm not lifting enough, but the goal is to reach 7, which basically means I either get to 7 or to failure. And basically I dunno if Big 3 and SS had RPT and cutting in mind

On March 09 2012 23:09 infinity21 wrote:
Have you tried RPT? It worked for me while I was cutting and I have shittier recovery than most people I think.
Mix up light days in your workouts and don't train to failure on every movement every workout. If you're not lifting baby weights, your body won't be able to recover in time.

Maybe I'll try just doing 3x5 on wednesdays rather than RPT, thanks for the tip. =)

Or maybe cycle which exercise I do first? Like start with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday? I remember Berkhan saying don't change stuff, but again that might not apply to noobs like me.

edit: @Celltech: pretty sweet progress, really big difference on the abs but larger overall as well.


Never train to failure. It makes you weak. If you want mass, add more sets and possibly lower the weight a bit (10%)

According to Mr. Berkhan the first set is the most important, doing it until failure, and there are little to no benefits to doing more than 3 sets.


I do not know who Mr.Berkhan is, but he obv didnt gain 4 pounds in 4 weeks doing smolov.

He's the leangains guy, as far as his experience with smolov I really wouldn't know. There is so much misinformation based on anectodal evidence and so much broscience about working out I figured I'd just pick an expert and listen to him until I found reason to switch.

I've heard from several people that training to failure is where it's at. Who knows? I've only been doing serious barbell training for 3 months or so, I'm just trying to find a routine I like that gives results. I started out with a split routine with squats on mondays, bench on wednesday and deads on friday. I switched to big three mostly because I felt I wasn't doing squats often enough to get my form right and I'd read that split routines was for advanced lifters.

Now, I did just come out of a pretty severe bout of the flu, and that might be all this is I'm gonna keep it up for another week and see where I end up, and if I'm still having trouble I'll start tweaking.

Thanks for the input all =)

Yeah, I've heard such mixed advice about training to failure. In the end, I've just decided to train to failure because then at least I know I'm giving it 100%. Once or twice I didn't train to failure, and each time I felt like I could have completed another rep if I'd just manned up and tried.

Did weighted chin-ups for the first time today. I can't believe how much harder it is! I was on 6-5-5 with unweighted chin-ups, but only managed 3-2.5-2 with a 5kg weight. I'll probably do 2.5kg weighted next time. Still, it's quite fun to do.

This. I hate going in the showers feeling like I could have lifted more.

I can barely do 5 chins bw, I do so long for the day when I can strap a weight on there

It took me about 3 months of chin-ups every second session to go from 5 reps to 5-5-5. Losing a few kg helped a lot. We'll see how these weighted chin-ups go. The only person I've followed who added weights is infinity21, and he seemed to be adding more weight every session, but then again, he seems to do that with all exercises so it probably won't be as easy for me :p
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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 09 2012 21:41 GMT
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Fuck you big brother, fuck you
solidbebe
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Netherlands4921 Posts
March 09 2012 21:47 GMT
#2231
On March 10 2012 06:41 Necosarius wrote:
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Fuck you big brother, fuck you


Sorry but that picture does indeed not make any sense. On top of the fact that it doesn't even mention exercise. It just irritates me ;/
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Canada591 Posts
March 09 2012 21:58 GMT
#2232
On March 10 2012 06:47 solidbebe wrote:
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Fuck you big brother, fuck you


Sorry but that picture does indeed not make any sense. On top of the fact that it doesn't even mention exercise. It just irritates me ;/
It makes perfect sense if you think about the situations outside what you see in the pictures. You can assume that the guy downing the delicious fast food is genetically gifted and is working his ass off in the gym wheras the big fat slob of a man eating healthy is most likely big to begin with and is cutting with slow progress, perhaps not working hard enough in the gym.
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 09 2012 22:08 GMT
#2233
On March 10 2012 06:58 Kamais Ookin wrote:
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On March 10 2012 06:47 solidbebe wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:41 Necosarius wrote:
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Fuck you big brother, fuck you


Sorry but that picture does indeed not make any sense. On top of the fact that it doesn't even mention exercise. It just irritates me ;/
It makes perfect sense if you think about the situations outside what you see in the pictures. You can assume that the guy downing the delicious fast food is genetically gifted and is working his ass off in the gym wheras the big fat slob of a man eating healthy is most likely big to begin with and is cutting with slow progress, perhaps not working hard enough in the gym.

You can get either physique with virtually any genetics. Just lazy people crying instead of fixing their problems : /
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Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
March 09 2012 22:10 GMT
#2234
On March 10 2012 07:08 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
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On March 10 2012 06:58 Kamais Ookin wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:47 solidbebe wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:41 Necosarius wrote:
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Fuck you big brother, fuck you


Sorry but that picture does indeed not make any sense. On top of the fact that it doesn't even mention exercise. It just irritates me ;/
It makes perfect sense if you think about the situations outside what you see in the pictures. You can assume that the guy downing the delicious fast food is genetically gifted and is working his ass off in the gym wheras the big fat slob of a man eating healthy is most likely big to begin with and is cutting with slow progress, perhaps not working hard enough in the gym.

You can get either physique with virtually any genetics. Just lazy people crying instead of fixing their problems : /
Pretty much, genetics is miniscule compared to being consistent in the gym.
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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
March 09 2012 22:40 GMT
#2235
On March 10 2012 07:10 Kamais Ookin wrote:
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On March 10 2012 07:08 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:58 Kamais Ookin wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:47 solidbebe wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:41 Necosarius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Big pic] +
[image loading]


Fuck you big brother, fuck you


Sorry but that picture does indeed not make any sense. On top of the fact that it doesn't even mention exercise. It just irritates me ;/
It makes perfect sense if you think about the situations outside what you see in the pictures. You can assume that the guy downing the delicious fast food is genetically gifted and is working his ass off in the gym wheras the big fat slob of a man eating healthy is most likely big to begin with and is cutting with slow progress, perhaps not working hard enough in the gym.

You can get either physique with virtually any genetics. Just lazy people crying instead of fixing their problems : /
Pretty much, genetics is miniscule compared to being consistent in the gym.


This is true, also getting and maintaining that kinda physique on just fast food is damn near impossible if you ask me.
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BlondeOnBlonde
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada150 Posts
March 09 2012 22:44 GMT
#2236
Well since I'm having my ass handed to me by a hard cold for the last 3 days and can't sleep because of runny nose and heavy headaches, I went for an easy max rep on the deadlift. It might not have been that great of an idea as I could feel the sickness taking over my body every repetition I did. Still, strength-wise, it was quite easy so I may be able to pull 545lbs early april.



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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 09 2012 22:50 GMT
#2237
Oh yeah, by the by, I went back to my old gym today. I had to move out of my apartment for 2 weeks about a month ago and I started going to another gym (same franchise). I enjoyed it, windows with a view and clean and... OK so it was in a well-to-do part of town and the people who go there were mostly self-centered assholes that would not take the weights off and put them back in the correct place but the gym itself was nice. The actual lifting area was really tiny, like barely 20 square meters and nowhere to deadlift, but hey, I was alone that early in the morning so no sweat. Fucking benches leaning sideways I swear to fucking god -

Anyway, it had windows.

I decided to go back to my old gym, mostly because it had been in the process of heavy renovating when I left and I was curious to see how much had changed. Alot, as it turns out, they pretty much chucked half their crap and replaced it. With new, shiny crap. Those machines looked really expensive.

Still. Only. One. Fucking. Squat rack. This gym is fucking huge, what the fuck do you only have one squat rack for? You've packed it wall to wall with useless machines that require a god damn engineering degree to operate, you could have fit fifty squat racks in here for a tenth of the price of that fucking -

Well, regardless... I was heading down towards the lifting area (there are no windows here, the whole gym is pretty much in a basement) and I passed by one of the rooms that had recieved a complete overhaul. And I saw they had gotten proper equipment for barbell lifts

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Nice proper mats and new barbells and stuff and I was all like

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I was really excited. I figured I might start powercleaning and jerking (hehe, ehehe!) and stuff. Or I could just do my squats there. Then the fat lady on the squishy half-ball next to the PT caught my attention and I sort of paused. It didn't look right to me. But I went over to the free platform and started adjusting the height of the - what the? This is light as a feath - oh fuck me.

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Max load 20 kg.

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Air. They're filled with air.

God damnit. So I went downstairs to the proper, dank, dark lifting area and watched some old man do half squats with an empty barbell, bent back and standing on his toes under the careful supervision of a PT. Then an old lady started flailing some battle ropes (google it) and I sat down on the bench to watch. I mean yeah that looks pretty exhausting but what the actual fuck? She claimed like half the fucking gym with those things, nobody could get to the weights!

Then two guys came walking into the room, backwards, doing sumo slaps in the air.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
March 09 2012 23:06 GMT
#2238
LOL WTF

20 KG max and super air light eleiko plates.

That sucksssssssssss
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
March 09 2012 23:15 GMT
#2239
LMAO Osmoseses
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
March 09 2012 23:23 GMT
#2240
On March 09 2012 22:11 funkie wrote:
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On March 09 2012 10:00 Hurricane wrote:
Dear Funkie,

I pulled 170.5x5 today @ 78.5 BW. Your move.

Love,

Hurricane


I did that on wednesday ;o. lower BW too bitch.

170kg x 1 x 5 Deadlift @ 76kg BW

I'm taking today off, and going for a lift tomorrow morning, Hopefully I don't fucking die tomorrow haha :D

Hurri, this means we have a Deadlift that is over 2xBW

WE MUST BE PRO AT SOMETHING BRO.

How often do you deadlift? I thought I was ahead of you o.o

Congrats though =]
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