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On October 11 2011 23:42 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 22:56 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Try using a wooden stick to practice on. the bar itself is pretty easy for me since I began prepping for snatches a while ago with OHS, and the PCs definitely help with the pull I'm slowly adding weight 2.5 kg at a time, but I think it'll still take a crap load of practise (no duh) for me to know exactly where to bring the bar... if that makes sense at all.
Where to bring the bar on the pull or catch?
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Two new snatch form check videos:
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I just feel like if I could get rid of that fucking donkey kick I'd be fine.
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When i was getting rid of my donkey kick i started snatching without ever moving my feet off the ground for a bit. Now i've adjusted to where i just lift them enough to shift them into place. Also keep the bar closer to your body. And calm the fuck down before your lift thought you were going to do an ab rollout or something lol.
Try for a few full snatches! They're way more fun. and impossibly harder lol. Or at least once you catch the bar go into an overhead squat and back up to get a feel for it.
read read read read everything on this site:
http://www.theironsamurai.com/
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On October 13 2011 01:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Two new snatch form check videos: + Show Spoiler +I just feel like if I could get rid of that fucking donkey kick I'd be fine.
Try catching in the proper overhead squat position (don't pull as hard and focus more on technique than power)
I don't think your getting enough of the upwards shrug motion on your shoulders to be able to firmly place the weight above your head - stretch the bar to the sides over your head and shrug up with the shoulders (if thats the right way to explain)
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I have a quick question about snatch balances, where does the bar sit before the initial dip and burst upwards? I've tried it higher and lower on my traps but found both ways had their pros and cons, I've also tried lowering the bar back down to either of those locations and found it near impossible to land it in a comfortable spot, but I guess that could be attributed to a lack of practice.
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I usually do high bar on my traps. I dont do a lot of snatch balances though.
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On October 13 2011 03:04 decafchicken wrote:When i was getting rid of my donkey kick i started snatching without ever moving my feet off the ground for a bit. Now i've adjusted to where i just lift them enough to shift them into place. Also keep the bar closer to your body. And calm the fuck down before your lift thought you were going to do an ab rollout or something lol.Try for a few full snatches! They're way more fun. and impossibly harder lol. Or at least once you catch the bar go into an overhead squat and back up to get a feel for it. read read read read everything on this site: http://www.theironsamurai.com/
lol
I was pretty calm before lifting, but I guess I'm simply too aggressive too soon? Also, I do a pretty shitty thing with catch position being a full squat: I'm afraid of not pulling hard enough and dropping the bar, or pulling too hard and throwing the bar too high. Plus, I understand that snatching takes a lot of balance, which I'm not completely confident in yet. That's why I'm more or less catching in a high position and then dropping down into an overhead squat for now.
I like your idea with the no foot movement snatches. My book recommends snatch balances as a way of correcting the donkey kick, and I'll try those too. Tomorrow is a no Oly lift day (deadlift, bench press, pull ups), so I'll just incorporate my snatch balances at the end!
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On October 13 2011 18:28 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:04 decafchicken wrote:When i was getting rid of my donkey kick i started snatching without ever moving my feet off the ground for a bit. Now i've adjusted to where i just lift them enough to shift them into place. Also keep the bar closer to your body. And calm the fuck down before your lift thought you were going to do an ab rollout or something lol.Try for a few full snatches! They're way more fun. and impossibly harder lol. Or at least once you catch the bar go into an overhead squat and back up to get a feel for it. read read read read everything on this site: http://www.theironsamurai.com/ lol I was pretty calm before lifting, but I guess I'm simply too aggressive too soon? Also, I do a pretty shitty thing with catch position being a full squat: I'm afraid of not pulling hard enough and dropping the bar, or pulling too hard and throwing the bar too high. Plus, I understand that snatching takes a lot of balance, which I'm not completely confident in yet. That's why I'm more or less catching in a high position and then dropping down into an overhead squat for now.I like your idea with the no foot movement snatches. My book recommends snatch balances as a way of correcting the donkey kick, and I'll try those too. Tomorrow is a no Oly lift day (deadlift, bench press, pull ups), so I'll just incorporate my snatch balances at the end!
youre not doing that in the videos though. its basically just a power snatch. balance will come only from doing the full movement. stick to light weights for a few workouts and get a feeling for the bottom position and then slowly increase the workload.
anyway, thats how I approached it. but I'm still not very good at it so take my advice at your own risk hehe
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so I am gawdawful at racking my cleans. I feel weird doing it with light weights because I think I'm getting the bar too high? Either way I can get it out in front of my sternum but it always seems to hit my collar bones. not in the middle, just where they connect in the middle. It feels like the right place to sit in my shoulders but I feel like I'm going to break my collar bones (which I obviously don't want to do.). I'll try to get a pic/vid of it up soon, but do you guys have any pointers other than shove my elbows up more/faster? It's not helping.
I separated my AC joint back in highschool so my right collar bone is set a bit off from where it should be.
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On October 14 2011 04:55 Hurricane wrote:
so I am gawdawful at racking my cleans. I feel weird doing it with light weights because I think I'm getting the bar too high? Either way I can get it out in front of my sternum but it always seems to hit my collar bones. not in the middle, just where they connect in the middle. It feels like the right place to sit in my shoulders but I feel like I'm going to break my collar bones (which I obviously don't want to do.). I'll try to get a pic/vid of it up soon, but do you guys have any pointers other than shove my elbows up more/faster? It's not helping.
I separated my AC joint back in highschool so my right collar bone is set a bit off from where it should be.
if your collar bone hasn't been covered in bruises you're not trying hard enough. don't worry they stop after a while and your collar bone will get denser.
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So just say fuck it and go big?
I can live with that =]
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On October 14 2011 05:02 Hurricane wrote:
So just say fuck it and go big?
I can live with that =]
It just takes practice. You probably pull the bar a little too close to yourself and then it ends up hitting your collar bone before your are able to land it on your deltoids. Practice, practice, practice.
Once you get it down you will never hit your bones again :-D
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On October 14 2011 06:17 Nazarene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 05:02 Hurricane wrote:
So just say fuck it and go big?
I can live with that =] It just takes practice. You probably pull the bar a little too close to yourself and then it ends up hitting your collar bone before your are able to land it on your deltoids. Practice, practice, practice. Once you get it down you will never hit your bones again :-D
Thats horse shit i still smash my collar bones. but they're collar bones of steal. GO BIG HURRICANE. (with good form)
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On October 12 2011 00:00 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 23:42 Cambium wrote:On October 11 2011 22:56 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Try using a wooden stick to practice on. the bar itself is pretty easy for me since I began prepping for snatches a while ago with OHS, and the PCs definitely help with the pull I'm slowly adding weight 2.5 kg at a time, but I think it'll still take a crap load of practise (no duh) for me to know exactly where to bring the bar... if that makes sense at all. Where to bring the bar on the pull or catch?
catch
i mean, i know roughly where to bring it, but it'll take me a very long while to find that sweet spot
i also find it much easier to do full snatches than full cleans for some reason
i'm also getting so sore from doing these, holy shit...
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haha sore in places you probably didnt know existed.
Do snatch then overhead squats with a pause at the bottom, you'll get a feel for your balance and where the bar is supposed to be. snatch balances work too.
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God I love that feeling.
I mean, I don't get it often yet, but I'm sure you all know it pretty well. It's that split second where you catch the bar at the bottom of a near-perfect clean, and you know you got it. Damn that feels good.
I'm finally learning to pull myself under the bar and catch it in a low squat position.
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I felt that the first few times I did yoga, I was like... wtf, I have muscles there???
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Starting to Clean on wednesday.
Together with front Squats.
Wish me luck! :D
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I'm gonna be lifting heavy today
gonna atempt 60+ C+J and 40+snatch gogogo
I'm getting to that point where im actually snatching the correct weight so the technique is really coming together on the upwards shrug
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On October 14 2011 17:14 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 06:17 Nazarene wrote:On October 14 2011 05:02 Hurricane wrote:
So just say fuck it and go big?
I can live with that =] It just takes practice. You probably pull the bar a little too close to yourself and then it ends up hitting your collar bone before your are able to land it on your deltoids. Practice, practice, practice. Once you get it down you will never hit your bones again :-D Thats horse shit i still smash my collar bones. but they're collar bones of steal. GO BIG HURRICANE. (with good form)
Ah, forgot you guys do squat cleans. Because of my knee injury I've only done power cleans for a long time. If you hit your bones on a power clean you're doing something wrong though. But yeah, you hit your bones sometimes when doing squat cleans :-D
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