On February 24 2012 10:18 Release wrote: Sacroiliac joint issues, had it before. Question: Both times, it has only been my right side which suffered pain, and particularly during deadlifts and squats. What are some possible theories as to why it would only occur on my right side?
I was wrong. I tried the manipulation but nothing really happened. I looked at the "so you hurt your lower back" page again and the pain is not in the SI joint area. In the conclusion picture, it is around the top of the gluteus medius fascia and the iliac crest. Only on my right side
most of this is repetitive of what has already been posted: + Show Spoiler +
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Squats, Deadlift, Running, Jumping
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? It aches after an exercise, sharp during
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 3 after, 6 during 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic. Can't remember when it first started right now. Probably 1-2 months ago. Miniscule improvement.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? It was better for a week when i trained starting at 135lb squat/dead, but now i stopped again
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Seems close to the bone, although the bone is close to the surface.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? rest
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? rest=minimal help, movement makes it worse. Not constant, but right side definitely feels different than left during whole day. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?Tissues seem softer/more tender than the one around my left side.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? After squat/dead, terrible. Beginning/end: softer/tender than left 12. Any previous injury history? Had once before although may count as the same injury 13. How's your posture? Completely straight/slight hyperextension makes it painful 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? quit squats and deads for a while. Track 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I had a bit of buttwink on my squats. Maybe that caused it, but only on my right side so... My flexibility issue with left arm means that some weight on left half of barbell is supported by should/wrist. Maybe cause imbalance?
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. this #s 7,8 and the area just under the shoulder bone 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Any rack position hurts: 3 squats and cleans. Pull/chin up: feels like something is going to pop out of position if i try too hard press/bench press: feels painful after a set
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? an ache after pressing movements sharp pain when trying to get proper rack position
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 0 outside of exercise. 2 or 3 for press. 6 or 7 when trying to get proper rack position 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? chronic; must have been a few months ago. Didn't realize because high bar squat rack doesn't hurt as much. It's gotten worse.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? yes a few months
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. im not sure but i feel like somethings on my left upper back is not properly attached to my arm. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? not much. Some ice and flexibility work. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? nothing helps, it's gotten slightly worse over a long period of time. It is constant. Increase when i try to do rack position (clean/lowbar/frontsquat) 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? feels a lot more tender on my upper left back where it feels tighter on my upper right back. No swelling 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? same throughout the day except particularly painful in rack position. 12. Any previous injury history? not related to this 13. How's your posture? fine 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? rows/bench/press 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? when i'm doing any rack position, i notice that my left shoulder moves backwards. This makes correct low bar impossible for my left side to achieve while my right side is fine. In clean/FS, my wrist has to flex a considerable amount to make up for this. Also, in every grip, my left hand falls closer to the center than my right hand (unless im using mixed grip for deadlift). I think i was doing a lat pulldown a few months ago when i felt something tear slightly below that area. I rested it for a week and it felt ok after that, but it has been causing me problems. In terms of flexibility, my left arm can move behind my back a lot easier than my right arm, but my right arm has better ROM in front and above the shoulder.
Did a little research, could this be separated shoulder?
Update: saw a trainer on this and she said that it was tight neck muscles. She had me stretch, didn't really seem to change anything. Feel like it is something else, but she said it wasn't separated shoulder. Update2: I'll be uploading pictures about what i mean when i say my left shoulder moves backwards and the lack of ROM. The red shows that my hand is way in front of my shoulder, which moves behind my back. In terms of the first two pictures, the right shoulder actually moves forward and partially covers the chest, while the left shoulder does not cover the chest (look near the armpits)
Is this the only issue you have or is the other low back thing still giving you problems?
Do these exercises fix the problem? Or do they just strengthen the joint/muscle around the joint?
Maybe, I can't tell I haven't seen you.
Stretching isn't strengthening -- it's gaining you more flexibility/mobility so the joint can move better if you have crappo posture or tight muscles
I don't think i explained the problem correctly then: It's not tightness: it's extremely loose. Virtually any weight/force on it causes it to move down/backwards. It naturally sits lower than my left shoulder, even when gravity is the sole force acting upon it. Even just pretending to rack position causes it to dip down and backwards.
More information: during any pressing movements involving my left arm, there is sharp pain in the area where the barbell usually sits in a front squat. Also, around the armpit, there is a semi-hard vein like thing connecting my chest to my right arm/shoulder. On my left side, that thing is a lot softer and more tender.
So you have laxity instead of lightness? Have you subluxed / dislocated your shoulder before? Are all of your joints hypermobile? Have you sustaiend any injuries there before?
This may be something you want checked out by a physical therapist as there are different types of shoulder instability and it seems like you may have some sort of tendonitis or other issue that you may want checked out too.
laxity instead of tightness, not that i know of, no, no
That sounds extremely expensive and im pretty sure my parents would not appreciate having to pay for something like that.
Well, unless you can provide more details I'm at a loss of what to do
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
It is a aching pain that just persists in that area if i use the muscle too much
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
about a 6
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Probably acute because it has been on and off. The pain has lessened since I have stopped running and started biking
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
For a period yes, about 3 weeks of 6 days a week
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
it seems to be at the joint
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I have started biking and weightlifting instead of running
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Just taking time off seems to help, but I can't do that at the moment because of track season. Running more makes it hurt more, and it is a constant pain. This only affects my running/walking
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
My calf is usually tight when I run
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
It feels like a persistent pain after running, but when I wake up it is about the same as the end of the day
12. Any previous injury history?
Yes, right above the area->right below the calf muscle(the tendon)
13. How's your posture?
??
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Lots of intervals for track(20x200, 8x400, etc.)
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Not really sorry =/
Pretty clear cut case of achilles tendonitis it looks like
On February 24 2012 10:18 Release wrote: Sacroiliac joint issues, had it before. Question: Both times, it has only been my right side which suffered pain, and particularly during deadlifts and squats. What are some possible theories as to why it would only occur on my right side?
I was wrong. I tried the manipulation but nothing really happened. I looked at the "so you hurt your lower back" page again and the pain is not in the SI joint area. In the conclusion picture, it is around the top of the gluteus medius fascia and the iliac crest. Only on my right side
most of this is repetitive of what has already been posted: + Show Spoiler +
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Squats, Deadlift, Running, Jumping
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? It aches after an exercise, sharp during
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 3 after, 6 during 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic. Can't remember when it first started right now. Probably 1-2 months ago. Miniscule improvement.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? It was better for a week when i trained starting at 135lb squat/dead, but now i stopped again
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Seems close to the bone, although the bone is close to the surface.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? rest
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? rest=minimal help, movement makes it worse. Not constant, but right side definitely feels different than left during whole day. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?Tissues seem softer/more tender than the one around my left side.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? After squat/dead, terrible. Beginning/end: softer/tender than left 12. Any previous injury history? Had once before although may count as the same injury 13. How's your posture? Completely straight/slight hyperextension makes it painful 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? quit squats and deads for a while. Track 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I had a bit of buttwink on my squats. Maybe that caused it, but only on my right side so... My flexibility issue with left arm means that some weight on left half of barbell is supported by should/wrist. Maybe cause imbalance?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
[quote] Did a little research, could this be separated shoulder?
Update: saw a trainer on this and she said that it was tight neck muscles. She had me stretch, didn't really seem to change anything. Feel like it is something else, but she said it wasn't separated shoulder. Update2: I'll be uploading pictures about what i mean when i say my left shoulder moves backwards and the lack of ROM. The red shows that my hand is way in front of my shoulder, which moves behind my back. In terms of the first two pictures, the right shoulder actually moves forward and partially covers the chest, while the left shoulder does not cover the chest (look near the armpits)
Is this the only issue you have or is the other low back thing still giving you problems?
Do these exercises fix the problem? Or do they just strengthen the joint/muscle around the joint?
Maybe, I can't tell I haven't seen you.
Stretching isn't strengthening -- it's gaining you more flexibility/mobility so the joint can move better if you have crappo posture or tight muscles
I don't think i explained the problem correctly then: It's not tightness: it's extremely loose. Virtually any weight/force on it causes it to move down/backwards. It naturally sits lower than my left shoulder, even when gravity is the sole force acting upon it. Even just pretending to rack position causes it to dip down and backwards.
More information: during any pressing movements involving my left arm, there is sharp pain in the area where the barbell usually sits in a front squat. Also, around the armpit, there is a semi-hard vein like thing connecting my chest to my right arm/shoulder. On my left side, that thing is a lot softer and more tender.
So you have laxity instead of lightness? Have you subluxed / dislocated your shoulder before? Are all of your joints hypermobile? Have you sustaiend any injuries there before?
This may be something you want checked out by a physical therapist as there are different types of shoulder instability and it seems like you may have some sort of tendonitis or other issue that you may want checked out too.
laxity instead of tightness, not that i know of, no, no
That sounds extremely expensive and im pretty sure my parents would not appreciate having to pay for something like that.
Well, unless you can provide more details I'm at a loss of what to do
2. What exercises hurt? External rotation of the wrist and limited range of motion within external rotation of the wrist. Hurts when pressing on the point shown in the picture.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp pain within the tendons.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. Very slight pain if pain at all without externally rotating my wrist, when trying to reach full ROM it is quite painful 4/10.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic. Strained some tendons when I was bench pressing about 5 months ago, RICE'd it and it disappeared quiet quickly. Injury flared up again 2 weeks ago when tossing a stick my dog (yep..).
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Have not been bench pressing, and there is no pain when I do any of my lifting.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Pain is located close to one of the bones in the forearm, but on the outside of the bone - close the skin. Joint feels harder to move, like if the tendons are swollen.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Avoiding bench press or anything else that could put a lot of strain on the wrist. Pain is pretty much never there unless I try to twist my wrist as much as possible, but a weird hampering feel is in the joint.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? When the joint feels tight I can make it snap by pressing on the radius and holding the fingers - thereby causing radial deviation (where the hand is turned towards the thumb). This makes a rather loud painless snap and my wrist feels free to move again.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Forearm muscles most likely tight, too scared to stretch then without causing something bad in the wrist.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Feels worse when waking up. Feels the same after exercising. End of the day feels better than start of the day.
12. Any previous injury history? Nothing that hasnt already been mentioned
13. How's your posture? Slightly forward tilted shoulders and neck, trying very hard to correct this.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I do a lot of barbell compounds. No bench pressing tho, I do dips instead.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? nothing that comes to mind.
I was quite certain I have patellar tendonitis, as I'd had this once before and went to the doctors. She told me it was patellar tendonitis and was a result of undiagnosed Osgood Schlatters I had as an early teen. A few things just made me doubt it though so thought I'd ask if that's ok.
I chose this because of the massive bump, which is exactly where it hurts. I have small bumps on both knees, but over the last couple of days the one on the left knee has significantly increased in size. It's completely solid like bone. It doesn't hurt on top but more inside the lump, like at the base. I don't really even know what the lump is.
Quite a sharp pain under leg extension. It hurt sunday night after rugby, ran to the gym on sunday and it hurt on the way there, did squats and deadlift which were fine, no pain. Hurt afterwards on the run back and ended up stopping and walking.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Aches now at rest, quite sharp when I was running or when I walk and my knee gives way a bit (I'm trying to rest it and end up not walking normally, if I misstep I fall a little and catch my weight on my left knee, sharp pain).
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2 when sat, 6 when running.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Very recent, started sunday night. I broke my bicycle about 2-3 weeks ago and so have had to do up to an 30-60mins running a day to and from uni since then, which I'm sure is the cause.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only as described above. Now I'm avoiding even walking, can't walk properly as it hurts.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
It's right at the base of the lump.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I looked at the tendonitis link in OP and have been icing it and resting it. I tried massaging it across (perpendicular to the direction of the tendon) but have to do it gently due to pain. It also seems odd because it's not on the bit I can feel as tendon at all, that bit feels fine. It's just the lump which has no give in it at all.
I also have tried massaging the muscles around it.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Constant ache, ice numbs it a little. Felt a lot better the morning after sleep, worse now later in the day. I sit with my left leg so my ankle is to the right of my knee and my foot rests on the outside, this makes it ache a lot less, I guess it takes some of the strain off it.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Don't feel tight to my hands, none tender or swollen. I noticed a while back that my quads were very inflexible particularly the hip joint is very tight, but have been doing a lot of work.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Not doing any exercise due to pain. Feels great in the morning and worse in the evening.
12. Any previous injury history?
Osgood Schlatters as a child but not that bad I don't think, had this previously and just waited and it went away. Doctor told me it was patellar tendonitis and that it was clear I'd had Osgood Schlatters as a child and this was probably a result of bone from the growth plate but I am sceptical now. If it's true I think I'd have had at least one problem from a few years of rowing a lot and cycling, and she'd said I would. When I had it before it was when I did lots of running too (guess I'll have to stop that).
13. How's your posture?
Great.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Rugby, cycling, and running as mentioned. I do squats 3 times a week and deadlift 1.5 times a week (alternates between 1 and 2).
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
My knees click. Sometimes they ache inside the joint.
Apologies for answering some of the questions before they were asked, I was trying to be fairly comprehensive.
2. What exercises hurt? External rotation of the wrist and limited range of motion within external rotation of the wrist. Hurts when pressing on the point shown in the picture.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp pain within the tendons.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. Very slight pain if pain at all without externally rotating my wrist, when trying to reach full ROM it is quite painful 4/10.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic. Strained some tendons when I was bench pressing about 5 months ago, RICE'd it and it disappeared quiet quickly. Injury flared up again 2 weeks ago when tossing a stick my dog (yep..).
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Have not been bench pressing, and there is no pain when I do any of my lifting.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Pain is located close to one of the bones in the forearm, but on the outside of the bone - close the skin. Joint feels harder to move, like if the tendons are swollen.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Avoiding bench press or anything else that could put a lot of strain on the wrist. Pain is pretty much never there unless I try to twist my wrist as much as possible, but a weird hampering feel is in the joint.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? When the joint feels tight I can make it snap by pressing on the radius and holding the fingers - thereby causing radial deviation (where the hand is turned towards the thumb). This makes a rather loud painless snap and my wrist feels free to move again.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Forearm muscles most likely tight, too scared to stretch then without causing something bad in the wrist.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Feels worse when waking up. Feels the same after exercising. End of the day feels better than start of the day.
12. Any previous injury history? Nothing that hasnt already been mentioned
13. How's your posture? Slightly forward tilted shoulders and neck, trying very hard to correct this.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I do a lot of barbell compounds. No bench pressing tho, I do dips instead.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? nothing that comes to mind.
Do this radial head mobilization
and massage all of the muscles around the radial head and all of the extensor tendons for at least 10-15 minutes... deep tissue work trying to work all of the tightness and knots out which I will suspect are there.
On March 14 2012 04:36 Deadeight wrote: I was quite certain I have patellar tendonitis, as I'd had this once before and went to the doctors. She told me it was patellar tendonitis and was a result of undiagnosed Osgood Schlatters I had as an early teen. A few things just made me doubt it though so thought I'd ask if that's ok.
I chose this because of the massive bump, which is exactly where it hurts. I have small bumps on both knees, but over the last couple of days the one on the left knee has significantly increased in size. It's completely solid like bone. It doesn't hurt on top but more inside the lump, like at the base. I don't really even know what the lump is.
Quite a sharp pain under leg extension. It hurt sunday night after rugby, ran to the gym on sunday and it hurt on the way there, did squats and deadlift which were fine, no pain. Hurt afterwards on the run back and ended up stopping and walking.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Aches now at rest, quite sharp when I was running or when I walk and my knee gives way a bit (I'm trying to rest it and end up not walking normally, if I misstep I fall a little and catch my weight on my left knee, sharp pain).
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2 when sat, 6 when running.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Very recent, started sunday night. I broke my bicycle about 2-3 weeks ago and so have had to do up to an 30-60mins running a day to and from uni since then, which I'm sure is the cause.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only as described above. Now I'm avoiding even walking, can't walk properly as it hurts.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
It's right at the base of the lump.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I looked at the tendonitis link in OP and have been icing it and resting it. I tried massaging it across (perpendicular to the direction of the tendon) but have to do it gently due to pain. It also seems odd because it's not on the bit I can feel as tendon at all, that bit feels fine. It's just the lump which has no give in it at all.
I also have tried massaging the muscles around it.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Constant ache, ice numbs it a little. Felt a lot better the morning after sleep, worse now later in the day. I sit with my left leg so my ankle is to the right of my knee and my foot rests on the outside, this makes it ache a lot less, I guess it takes some of the strain off it.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Don't feel tight to my hands, none tender or swollen. I noticed a while back that my quads were very inflexible particularly the hip joint is very tight, but have been doing a lot of work.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Not doing any exercise due to pain. Feels great in the morning and worse in the evening.
12. Any previous injury history?
Osgood Schlatters as a child but not that bad I don't think, had this previously and just waited and it went away. Doctor told me it was patellar tendonitis and that it was clear I'd had Osgood Schlatters as a child and this was probably a result of bone from the growth plate but I am sceptical now. If it's true I think I'd have had at least one problem from a few years of rowing a lot and cycling, and she'd said I would. When I had it before it was when I did lots of running too (guess I'll have to stop that).
13. How's your posture?
Great.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Rugby, cycling, and running as mentioned. I do squats 3 times a week and deadlift 1.5 times a week (alternates between 1 and 2).
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
My knees click. Sometimes they ache inside the joint.
Apologies for answering some of the questions before they were asked, I was trying to be fairly comprehensive.
Well, if it hurts where the tendon inserts to the tibial tubersity it's pretty much the same thing as OS except in adult it's irritation of the tendon insertion to the bone.
Pretty much you should:
rest, contrast baths, anti-inflams, non-painful mobility, and squat stretching (non-painful).
May also need more vitamin D and magnesium and calcium in your diet
On March 14 2012 04:36 Deadeight wrote: I was quite certain I have patellar tendonitis, as I'd had this once before and went to the doctors. She told me it was patellar tendonitis and was a result of undiagnosed Osgood Schlatters I had as an early teen. A few things just made me doubt it though so thought I'd ask if that's ok.
I chose this because of the massive bump, which is exactly where it hurts. I have small bumps on both knees, but over the last couple of days the one on the left knee has significantly increased in size. It's completely solid like bone. It doesn't hurt on top but more inside the lump, like at the base. I don't really even know what the lump is.
Quite a sharp pain under leg extension. It hurt sunday night after rugby, ran to the gym on sunday and it hurt on the way there, did squats and deadlift which were fine, no pain. Hurt afterwards on the run back and ended up stopping and walking.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Aches now at rest, quite sharp when I was running or when I walk and my knee gives way a bit (I'm trying to rest it and end up not walking normally, if I misstep I fall a little and catch my weight on my left knee, sharp pain).
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2 when sat, 6 when running.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Very recent, started sunday night. I broke my bicycle about 2-3 weeks ago and so have had to do up to an 30-60mins running a day to and from uni since then, which I'm sure is the cause.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only as described above. Now I'm avoiding even walking, can't walk properly as it hurts.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
It's right at the base of the lump.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I looked at the tendonitis link in OP and have been icing it and resting it. I tried massaging it across (perpendicular to the direction of the tendon) but have to do it gently due to pain. It also seems odd because it's not on the bit I can feel as tendon at all, that bit feels fine. It's just the lump which has no give in it at all.
I also have tried massaging the muscles around it.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Constant ache, ice numbs it a little. Felt a lot better the morning after sleep, worse now later in the day. I sit with my left leg so my ankle is to the right of my knee and my foot rests on the outside, this makes it ache a lot less, I guess it takes some of the strain off it.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Don't feel tight to my hands, none tender or swollen. I noticed a while back that my quads were very inflexible particularly the hip joint is very tight, but have been doing a lot of work.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Not doing any exercise due to pain. Feels great in the morning and worse in the evening.
12. Any previous injury history?
Osgood Schlatters as a child but not that bad I don't think, had this previously and just waited and it went away. Doctor told me it was patellar tendonitis and that it was clear I'd had Osgood Schlatters as a child and this was probably a result of bone from the growth plate but I am sceptical now. If it's true I think I'd have had at least one problem from a few years of rowing a lot and cycling, and she'd said I would. When I had it before it was when I did lots of running too (guess I'll have to stop that).
13. How's your posture?
Great.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Rugby, cycling, and running as mentioned. I do squats 3 times a week and deadlift 1.5 times a week (alternates between 1 and 2).
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
My knees click. Sometimes they ache inside the joint.
Apologies for answering some of the questions before they were asked, I was trying to be fairly comprehensive.
Well, if it hurts where the tendon inserts to the tibial tubersity it's pretty much the same thing as OS except in adult it's irritation of the tendon insertion to the bone.
Pretty much you should:
rest, contrast baths, anti-inflams, non-painful mobility, and squat stretching (non-painful).
May also need more vitamin D and magnesium and calcium in your diet
Whenever i go heavy on my squats, the tendon in the area of the groin hurts. I tried to push through the workout and just couldnt finish it. Any recommendations?
On March 14 2012 11:21 guyabs wrote: Whenever i go heavy on my squats, the tendon in the area of the groin hurts. I tried to push through the workout and just couldnt finish it. Any recommendations?
On March 08 2012 06:23 Deadlift wrote: So I started doing Starting Strength on 2/20 and have been doing squats 3 times a week since then. For the first two weeks I was pain free but eventually I started to get some pain in the front of my hips when my thighs were parallel to the floor. At this point I realized my stance was a little bit too narrow and since then I have been generally using a wider stance similar to the one below.
I went again today and felt some pain as I got to parallel but nothing that made me feel like I was going to seriously injure myself. The pain from squatting just my body weight was similar if not exactly the same as when I squatted my body weight + 215 lbs on my back. The warm up sets may have actually decreased the pain slightly for the later sets, but I'm not entirely sure about that.
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
Hip joint in the front for both legs.
2. What exercises hurt?
Feel some pain when I squat to parallel. No pain from doing deadlifts.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Probably between ache and sharp.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
Maybe a 3 or 4 when I get to parallel. 0-1 otherwise.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Started hurting a few days ago. Doesn't seem to be much better or worse.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
I've done squats Monday and today since it started to feel sprained. Squatting bodyweight vs 215 lbs on my back didn't make much of a difference in pain. I usually do 4 warmup sets and I think it started to hurt a little less as I warmed up.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Seems to be in the joint.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I tried stretching and icing a little but nothing too drastic.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
I don't really notice it unless I try to stretch my hips.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Not sure about the muscles. No swelling.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
I don't really notice it unless I try to stretch my hips.
12. Any previous injury history?
No.
13. How's your posture?
Normal.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I do squats 3x a week. Today's routine is below.
Squat 45 x 5 95 x 5 135 x 3 185 x 2 215 x 5 215 x 5 215 x 5
No sports currently.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
On March 14 2012 04:36 Deadeight wrote: I was quite certain I have patellar tendonitis, as I'd had this once before and went to the doctors. She told me it was patellar tendonitis and was a result of undiagnosed Osgood Schlatters I had as an early teen. A few things just made me doubt it though so thought I'd ask if that's ok.
I chose this because of the massive bump, which is exactly where it hurts. I have small bumps on both knees, but over the last couple of days the one on the left knee has significantly increased in size. It's completely solid like bone. It doesn't hurt on top but more inside the lump, like at the base. I don't really even know what the lump is.
Quite a sharp pain under leg extension. It hurt sunday night after rugby, ran to the gym on sunday and it hurt on the way there, did squats and deadlift which were fine, no pain. Hurt afterwards on the run back and ended up stopping and walking.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Aches now at rest, quite sharp when I was running or when I walk and my knee gives way a bit (I'm trying to rest it and end up not walking normally, if I misstep I fall a little and catch my weight on my left knee, sharp pain).
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2 when sat, 6 when running.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Very recent, started sunday night. I broke my bicycle about 2-3 weeks ago and so have had to do up to an 30-60mins running a day to and from uni since then, which I'm sure is the cause.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only as described above. Now I'm avoiding even walking, can't walk properly as it hurts.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
It's right at the base of the lump.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I looked at the tendonitis link in OP and have been icing it and resting it. I tried massaging it across (perpendicular to the direction of the tendon) but have to do it gently due to pain. It also seems odd because it's not on the bit I can feel as tendon at all, that bit feels fine. It's just the lump which has no give in it at all.
I also have tried massaging the muscles around it.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Constant ache, ice numbs it a little. Felt a lot better the morning after sleep, worse now later in the day. I sit with my left leg so my ankle is to the right of my knee and my foot rests on the outside, this makes it ache a lot less, I guess it takes some of the strain off it.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Don't feel tight to my hands, none tender or swollen. I noticed a while back that my quads were very inflexible particularly the hip joint is very tight, but have been doing a lot of work.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Not doing any exercise due to pain. Feels great in the morning and worse in the evening.
12. Any previous injury history?
Osgood Schlatters as a child but not that bad I don't think, had this previously and just waited and it went away. Doctor told me it was patellar tendonitis and that it was clear I'd had Osgood Schlatters as a child and this was probably a result of bone from the growth plate but I am sceptical now. If it's true I think I'd have had at least one problem from a few years of rowing a lot and cycling, and she'd said I would. When I had it before it was when I did lots of running too (guess I'll have to stop that).
13. How's your posture?
Great.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Rugby, cycling, and running as mentioned. I do squats 3 times a week and deadlift 1.5 times a week (alternates between 1 and 2).
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
My knees click. Sometimes they ache inside the joint.
Apologies for answering some of the questions before they were asked, I was trying to be fairly comprehensive.
How old are you? Osgood schlatters usually resolves around late teens, but occasionally you get a traction apophysitis where the patellar tendon starts coming away from the tibial tuberosity. I had a very similar presentation to yours, developing from 20 years til I eventually has it fixed surgically at 23
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. Its the tendon.
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. When doing heavy squats.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Acute, March 9. Pain hasnt improved.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Yes, 2 gym sessions.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Pain is directly on the tendon. Whenever i exert too much effort, that's when it hurts.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Rest
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It only occurs when doing heavy work.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? None
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It only occurs when doing heavy work.
12. Any previous injury history? None
13. How's your posture? Proper
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squats
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
On March 14 2012 04:36 Deadeight wrote: I was quite certain I have patellar tendonitis, as I'd had this once before and went to the doctors. She told me it was patellar tendonitis and was a result of undiagnosed Osgood Schlatters I had as an early teen. A few things just made me doubt it though so thought I'd ask if that's ok.
I chose this because of the massive bump, which is exactly where it hurts. I have small bumps on both knees, but over the last couple of days the one on the left knee has significantly increased in size. It's completely solid like bone. It doesn't hurt on top but more inside the lump, like at the base. I don't really even know what the lump is.
Quite a sharp pain under leg extension. It hurt sunday night after rugby, ran to the gym on sunday and it hurt on the way there, did squats and deadlift which were fine, no pain. Hurt afterwards on the run back and ended up stopping and walking.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Aches now at rest, quite sharp when I was running or when I walk and my knee gives way a bit (I'm trying to rest it and end up not walking normally, if I misstep I fall a little and catch my weight on my left knee, sharp pain).
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2 when sat, 6 when running.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Very recent, started sunday night. I broke my bicycle about 2-3 weeks ago and so have had to do up to an 30-60mins running a day to and from uni since then, which I'm sure is the cause.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only as described above. Now I'm avoiding even walking, can't walk properly as it hurts.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
It's right at the base of the lump.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
I looked at the tendonitis link in OP and have been icing it and resting it. I tried massaging it across (perpendicular to the direction of the tendon) but have to do it gently due to pain. It also seems odd because it's not on the bit I can feel as tendon at all, that bit feels fine. It's just the lump which has no give in it at all.
I also have tried massaging the muscles around it.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Constant ache, ice numbs it a little. Felt a lot better the morning after sleep, worse now later in the day. I sit with my left leg so my ankle is to the right of my knee and my foot rests on the outside, this makes it ache a lot less, I guess it takes some of the strain off it.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Don't feel tight to my hands, none tender or swollen. I noticed a while back that my quads were very inflexible particularly the hip joint is very tight, but have been doing a lot of work.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Not doing any exercise due to pain. Feels great in the morning and worse in the evening.
12. Any previous injury history?
Osgood Schlatters as a child but not that bad I don't think, had this previously and just waited and it went away. Doctor told me it was patellar tendonitis and that it was clear I'd had Osgood Schlatters as a child and this was probably a result of bone from the growth plate but I am sceptical now. If it's true I think I'd have had at least one problem from a few years of rowing a lot and cycling, and she'd said I would. When I had it before it was when I did lots of running too (guess I'll have to stop that).
13. How's your posture?
Great.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Rugby, cycling, and running as mentioned. I do squats 3 times a week and deadlift 1.5 times a week (alternates between 1 and 2).
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
My knees click. Sometimes they ache inside the joint.
Apologies for answering some of the questions before they were asked, I was trying to be fairly comprehensive.
How old are you? Osgood schlatters usually resolves around late teens, but occasionally you get a traction apophysitis where the patellar tendon starts coming away from the tibial tuberosity. I had a very similar presentation to yours, developing from 20 years til I eventually has it fixed surgically at 23
I'm 22 at the moment. I had OS when I was about 15 I would say, but it hasn't bother me at all since say 16, apart once at the age of about 18 where I had a similar thing to now. I'm hoping I don't end up with any surgery! I don't think it will be that bad. I'll leave it a week or two then maybe think about going to the doctors then.
2. What exercises hurt? External rotation of the wrist and limited range of motion within external rotation of the wrist. Hurts when pressing on the point shown in the picture.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp pain within the tendons.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. Very slight pain if pain at all without externally rotating my wrist, when trying to reach full ROM it is quite painful 4/10.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic. Strained some tendons when I was bench pressing about 5 months ago, RICE'd it and it disappeared quiet quickly. Injury flared up again 2 weeks ago when tossing a stick my dog (yep..).
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Have not been bench pressing, and there is no pain when I do any of my lifting.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Pain is located close to one of the bones in the forearm, but on the outside of the bone - close the skin. Joint feels harder to move, like if the tendons are swollen.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Avoiding bench press or anything else that could put a lot of strain on the wrist. Pain is pretty much never there unless I try to twist my wrist as much as possible, but a weird hampering feel is in the joint.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? When the joint feels tight I can make it snap by pressing on the radius and holding the fingers - thereby causing radial deviation (where the hand is turned towards the thumb). This makes a rather loud painless snap and my wrist feels free to move again.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Forearm muscles most likely tight, too scared to stretch then without causing something bad in the wrist.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Feels worse when waking up. Feels the same after exercising. End of the day feels better than start of the day.
12. Any previous injury history? Nothing that hasnt already been mentioned
13. How's your posture? Slightly forward tilted shoulders and neck, trying very hard to correct this.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I do a lot of barbell compounds. No bench pressing tho, I do dips instead.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? nothing that comes to mind.
and massage all of the muscles around the radial head and all of the extensor tendons for at least 10-15 minutes... deep tissue work trying to work all of the tightness and knots out which I will suspect are there.
After massaging my forearm muscles and working out many of the knots my wrist already feels better. There is still fixing to be done and it is still in crying when I externally rotate it. It most likely didnt help that I played handball for 2 hours in PE...
I tried doing the radial head mobilization shown in the video but seemed rather odd to do on yourself. Will ask someone to do it on me later on. And once again thanks for the help!
Also, is there anything bad about massaging too much? Say 30 minutes or something?
Questions from OP are below. Pain is an inch or two below my left knee, on the outer part of my left leg. It comes and goes based on exercise, will go into more detail if i feel its needed after the questions.
if it acts up, i tend to just stretch my leg and walk it off and it goes away.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. + Show Spoiler +
i would say tissue
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? + Show Spoiler +
nothing
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? + Show Spoiler +
I play alot of tennis, and i generally get it the day after a long session, or at night if i played earlier in the day. It seems any sort of twisting motion of the lower leg is what sparks the initial pain burst, or if im sitting with my left leg in a slightly odd position, when i go to adjust the pain can strike. It generally only lasts a minute or two, and eventually even if i twist my lower leg i cant spark the pain again. i cant walk on that leg when the pain is there, unless the load on my leg is basically concentric with the leg, and there is zero twisting or torsional movement in the leg. the pain will gradually decrease and then stop, only to strike either later or another time.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? + Show Spoiler +
feels and looks the same as my right leg, which has never had this.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? + Show Spoiler +
After exercise it feels fine. if i exercise early in the day, say 12-2, i may get an episode at the end of the day. But generally i exercise at the end of the day, and if i feel anything it wouldnt be till the next day. If i didnt exercise for a few days i would not get an episode.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?+ Show Spoiler +
I do weighted calf raises, squats, good mornings, DL's, for lower body, but it has never caused any irritation in that area during the exercise. Sometimes, hours or next day (similar to tennis scenario), it will show up
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? + Show Spoiler +
At first my doc thought it was my knee and got that checked out via xray/mri, both showed a healthy knee. that doctor is gone now though and i havnt been to a new one
I bent my hand backwards and sprained my wrist mildly when falling off a bike. There was pain in the place called the snuffbox. After an x-ray, it was determined no bones were broken. I iced, splinted, and took advil. It has been one week since I hurt it, and the pain has almost completely gone away. However, should I keep the splint on a bit longer to be safe? Thanks.
Also on an unrelated note, should you let scrapes dry or keep them covered with bandages?
EPT![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/21417co.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/lmaozorphage/555.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/99FIp.png)
![[image loading]](http://mikeryanfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Osgood-Sch-001.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jsquat.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://physioworks.com.au/Injuries-Conditions/Regions/groin_injuries.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.iatrum.com/images/muscles/calf-muscles-side-view-10105w.jpg)
