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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 20:15:28
April 10 2012 20:03 GMT
#361
my middle centre back has been aching very much recently , due to a lack of recovery after moving onto heavier deadlifts and because my job requires me to bend over about 10 million times per day (care worker for elderly)

the ache is not there during the morning/early afternoon. but recently, the last ~3 hours of my shifts at work, the ache comes and grows gradually. it would be unbareable to some but i keep going coz im at work. i feel like i can barely hold my own bodyweight by the end of the shifts (literally), the last 1-2 hours is hellish

im wondering if this particular senario (at work) is dangerous and maybe i should take a day off work if it persists next week
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 10 2012 20:07 GMT
#362
Didn't you just start doing power cleans? Sorry to hear about your back, work must suck

Have you checked out eshlow's article yet? http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 20:15:12
April 10 2012 20:14 GMT
#363
its not an injury but i guess i should read that
the power cleans werent/arent the problem. if anything, the problem is my work, its literally 6 hours of solid bending, twisting and stooping. so you cant recover properly when you throw in some lifting. i have 3 days off now to recover (2 gym sessions), but i had the same last week too and didnt recover. maybe i should get cover for saturday, im a bit reluctant coz i take home freakin £6 per hour, but it sounds like a good idea
anyone want to hire me for a nice office job? :x
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 11 2012 00:34 GMT
#364
Work on your lifting mechanics man.... gotta stay consistent if possible. Twisting while bending over is a no-no.

Squat down and pick stuff up if possible
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
April 11 2012 01:13 GMT
#365
ya i have stopped trying to pick ppl up with one hand lol
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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
April 12 2012 09:52 GMT
#366
Hey Eshlow. I've been doing some rehab work for my triceps tendonitis, but I'm experiencing some problems.

Previously, I was doing 3x20 of tricep extensions with a thera-band, hand traveling downwards like a triceps pushdown exercise. like this:
[image loading]

A couple days ago, I tried varying it by doing the overhead extension, also using the thera-band:
[image loading]

The next day, I noticed that I would feel a sharp pain at the tendon location if I fully bend my arm at the elbow, like if I'm trying to flex my bicep.

For now I've been doing RICE. Should I avoid doing the overhead variation, or is it possible that I just happened to overdo it this one time?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 12:40:43
April 12 2012 12:40 GMT
#367
If you're rehabbing an injury like tendonitis don't do any form of overhead extension like that or any form of kickbacks or whatever.... just not a good idea as there's abnormally significant pressure on the tendon/elbow in that position

Just like knee in general full ROM can be good but if someone has patellar tendonitis and it hurts to go down into asian squat I'm not going to tell them to do their rehab that way
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 13 2012 08:39 GMT
#368
Hi eshlow, thank you for making such a great thread in TL community. Without further ado I shall present my injury form.

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

http://i42.tinypic.com/e8wx9j.jpg

I have marked it with a red circle. I believe this is a common area for people. I have no idea if it is just a pinched nerve, or something else.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

I will tell you about my main problem here. It is not "hurt" but rather, my right hand has a little tremor. Basically in relaxed position it is fine, normal. But when I put my hand up like when I want to give someone a hi-5, then it will shake. No pain, just shaking. And when I look down as far as I can, I can feel some kind of uncomfortable pain in that area in the picture I marked before. I have been to a physiotherapy, he said to strengthen my should/neck muscle, but it did not seem to work, or I just did not do them enough.

This also stops me from doing lifting. I have always wanted to start lifting but this kinda stops me. Or perhaps I SHOULD do lifting to strengthen the neck and shoulder muscles therefore stopping the problem(tremor)? I think it may well be a muscle imbalance. My GP (General Practitioner) told me to see physio (which I explained above) or if it does not work, a neurologist since my problem seems to be my nerves. But I really do hope you can give me some advice first before I go to neurologists which are so expensive....

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Explained in Number 2

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
Like I said no pain, though I feel a little bit of weakness when gripping something with my right hand.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I have had this since maybe ...4 years ago.

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Exactly, like I said I am not too sure if I should lift weights or not. Perhaps I should, to strengthen the muscles, but I noticed that once I have lifted weights, the tremor seems worse. Perhaps I should just keep doing it? Who knows, maybe stronger muscles = less tremors.

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
I cannot exactly describe the pain. But I feel it has something to do with the picture I marked up there. WHen I lift my shoulder including my hand, it does not shake as long as I don't make my hand "stand" like when Im about to give a hi-five. However, if I relax my shoulder, but give hi-five, it shakes. Therefore, I believe it is just my hand?

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Strengthening shoulder, back and neck muscle liek my physio said. But I did not see any results. If you think I didnt do it enough, I am glad to do more again.

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Resting seems to help, I notice when I wake up, it shakes very little compared to during the day, where it shakes quite a lot. What makes it worse? Activities in general, I guess. The more I use it, the worse. But if this is the case then I cannot lift weights..? I still think it is just my weak muscles that I need to strengthen by lifting to improve my back/shoulder/neck muscles.

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
No, nothing like these.

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Explained in number 9.

12. Any previous injury history?
Nope, never.

13. How's your posture?
Perhaps I sometimes hunch,(back is not straight). I also believe having good posture helps a little with my tremor.

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I play soccer for a club. For that body part, I am waiting for you recommendations if I should strengthen the shoulder/back/neck muscles.

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Well, everything is pretty much summed up in your questions. I hope to hear a reply from you eshlow, you are my hope, no exaggeration. I have been to doctors, they told me to see physio, which had no result on me, or neurologist, which is expensive like crazy...

So yes, that is all, if you need more info please feel free to ask me.

Thank you very much eshlow.



Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
April 13 2012 14:09 GMT
#369
Not a serious injury yet, just looking to prevent. There are three muscles in total that hurt. The one on the upper arm is on both sides, while the one on my elbow is only on the left side.
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
[image loading]
The X on the upper arm is a pain I have on both sides, that I mostly feel when i move my arm forward (as if when im swining my arms when walking).
The other one is harder to explain, its just below the inner side of my left elbow. If you would hold your arm in 90 degree angle with the palm of your hand turned upward, you can feel two "lumps" of your bones/joints that are aligned vertically. The muscle in question is the one that seems to start between these two joints and runs along the lower arm.
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
Dips, French press with bar. When not exercising the mentioned muscles in my upper arm hurt when I walk and make the swinging motion with my arms.

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Sharp(ish)

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
1 - 2
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Acute
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Just three days after it started more or less
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Muscle just below the skin
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretch as good as possible before the exercise
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Stretching/massaging seems to make it better a bit.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Muscles all seem to be pretty tight
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Pain during training, none after unless I make a certain movement that strains the muscle in question.
12. Any previous injury history?
No
13. How's your posture?
Pretty much straight (normal)
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
It’s in my arms so I use it with most excercises. I go to the gym about 4-5 times a week and practice muay thai once a week. (1.5 hours)
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
It’s not a serious injury yet, just looking to prevent.

eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 13 2012 14:15 GMT
#370
On April 13 2012 17:39 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Hi eshlow, thank you for making such a great thread in TL community. Without further ado I shall present my injury form.

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

http://i42.tinypic.com/e8wx9j.jpg

I have marked it with a red circle. I believe this is a common area for people. I have no idea if it is just a pinched nerve, or something else.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

I will tell you about my main problem here. It is not "hurt" but rather, my right hand has a little tremor. Basically in relaxed position it is fine, normal. But when I put my hand up like when I want to give someone a hi-5, then it will shake. No pain, just shaking. And when I look down as far as I can, I can feel some kind of uncomfortable pain in that area in the picture I marked before. I have been to a physiotherapy, he said to strengthen my should/neck muscle, but it did not seem to work, or I just did not do them enough.

This also stops me from doing lifting. I have always wanted to start lifting but this kinda stops me. Or perhaps I SHOULD do lifting to strengthen the neck and shoulder muscles therefore stopping the problem(tremor)? I think it may well be a muscle imbalance. My GP (General Practitioner) told me to see physio (which I explained above) or if it does not work, a neurologist since my problem seems to be my nerves. But I really do hope you can give me some advice first before I go to neurologists which are so expensive....

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Explained in Number 2

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
Like I said no pain, though I feel a little bit of weakness when gripping something with my right hand.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I have had this since maybe ...4 years ago.

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Exactly, like I said I am not too sure if I should lift weights or not. Perhaps I should, to strengthen the muscles, but I noticed that once I have lifted weights, the tremor seems worse. Perhaps I should just keep doing it? Who knows, maybe stronger muscles = less tremors.

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
I cannot exactly describe the pain. But I feel it has something to do with the picture I marked up there. WHen I lift my shoulder including my hand, it does not shake as long as I don't make my hand "stand" like when Im about to give a hi-five. However, if I relax my shoulder, but give hi-five, it shakes. Therefore, I believe it is just my hand?

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Strengthening shoulder, back and neck muscle liek my physio said. But I did not see any results. If you think I didnt do it enough, I am glad to do more again.

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Resting seems to help, I notice when I wake up, it shakes very little compared to during the day, where it shakes quite a lot. What makes it worse? Activities in general, I guess. The more I use it, the worse. But if this is the case then I cannot lift weights..? I still think it is just my weak muscles that I need to strengthen by lifting to improve my back/shoulder/neck muscles.

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
No, nothing like these.

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Explained in number 9.

12. Any previous injury history?
Nope, never.

13. How's your posture?
Perhaps I sometimes hunch,(back is not straight). I also believe having good posture helps a little with my tremor.

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I play soccer for a club. For that body part, I am waiting for you recommendations if I should strengthen the shoulder/back/neck muscles.

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Well, everything is pretty much summed up in your questions. I hope to hear a reply from you eshlow, you are my hope, no exaggeration. I have been to doctors, they told me to see physio, which had no result on me, or neurologist, which is expensive like crazy...

So yes, that is all, if you need more info please feel free to ask me.

Thank you very much eshlow.





Eh, you need to find a better physio... they likely should be able to fix your pain if they can fix your scapular mechanics

The location where you noted pain is the lower trap type area which is responsible for helping stabilize the scapula as you move your arm overhead. If this muscle is disrupted and painful and weak for whatever reason, the arm may be unstable when you move it up and thus shake.

I don't know if you have an individual weaknesses or tightnesses/weak beyond that which need fixing so I would generally suggest seeing if you can get to a physio who sports teams use or who is recommended by other PTs. Try to locate the best of the best.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 13 2012 15:48 GMT
#371
On April 13 2012 23:15 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 17:39 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Hi eshlow, thank you for making such a great thread in TL community. Without further ado I shall present my injury form.

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

http://i42.tinypic.com/e8wx9j.jpg

I have marked it with a red circle. I believe this is a common area for people. I have no idea if it is just a pinched nerve, or something else.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

I will tell you about my main problem here. It is not "hurt" but rather, my right hand has a little tremor. Basically in relaxed position it is fine, normal. But when I put my hand up like when I want to give someone a hi-5, then it will shake. No pain, just shaking. And when I look down as far as I can, I can feel some kind of uncomfortable pain in that area in the picture I marked before. I have been to a physiotherapy, he said to strengthen my should/neck muscle, but it did not seem to work, or I just did not do them enough.

This also stops me from doing lifting. I have always wanted to start lifting but this kinda stops me. Or perhaps I SHOULD do lifting to strengthen the neck and shoulder muscles therefore stopping the problem(tremor)? I think it may well be a muscle imbalance. My GP (General Practitioner) told me to see physio (which I explained above) or if it does not work, a neurologist since my problem seems to be my nerves. But I really do hope you can give me some advice first before I go to neurologists which are so expensive....

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Explained in Number 2

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
Like I said no pain, though I feel a little bit of weakness when gripping something with my right hand.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I have had this since maybe ...4 years ago.

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Exactly, like I said I am not too sure if I should lift weights or not. Perhaps I should, to strengthen the muscles, but I noticed that once I have lifted weights, the tremor seems worse. Perhaps I should just keep doing it? Who knows, maybe stronger muscles = less tremors.

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
I cannot exactly describe the pain. But I feel it has something to do with the picture I marked up there. WHen I lift my shoulder including my hand, it does not shake as long as I don't make my hand "stand" like when Im about to give a hi-five. However, if I relax my shoulder, but give hi-five, it shakes. Therefore, I believe it is just my hand?

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Strengthening shoulder, back and neck muscle liek my physio said. But I did not see any results. If you think I didnt do it enough, I am glad to do more again.

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Resting seems to help, I notice when I wake up, it shakes very little compared to during the day, where it shakes quite a lot. What makes it worse? Activities in general, I guess. The more I use it, the worse. But if this is the case then I cannot lift weights..? I still think it is just my weak muscles that I need to strengthen by lifting to improve my back/shoulder/neck muscles.

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
No, nothing like these.

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Explained in number 9.

12. Any previous injury history?
Nope, never.

13. How's your posture?
Perhaps I sometimes hunch,(back is not straight). I also believe having good posture helps a little with my tremor.

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I play soccer for a club. For that body part, I am waiting for you recommendations if I should strengthen the shoulder/back/neck muscles.

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Well, everything is pretty much summed up in your questions. I hope to hear a reply from you eshlow, you are my hope, no exaggeration. I have been to doctors, they told me to see physio, which had no result on me, or neurologist, which is expensive like crazy...

So yes, that is all, if you need more info please feel free to ask me.

Thank you very much eshlow.





Eh, you need to find a better physio... they likely should be able to fix your pain if they can fix your scapular mechanics

The location where you noted pain is the lower trap type area which is responsible for helping stabilize the scapula as you move your arm overhead. If this muscle is disrupted and painful and weak for whatever reason, the arm may be unstable when you move it up and thus shake.

I don't know if you have an individual weaknesses or tightnesses/weak beyond that which need fixing so I would generally suggest seeing if you can get to a physio who sports teams use or who is recommended by other PTs. Try to locate the best of the best.



Thanks mate

So your advice is to see a better physio?

And also, what kind of exercises would you recommend for this type of thing?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 13 2012 16:52 GMT
#372
On April 14 2012 00:48 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 23:15 eshlow wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:39 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Hi eshlow, thank you for making such a great thread in TL community. Without further ado I shall present my injury form.

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

http://i42.tinypic.com/e8wx9j.jpg

I have marked it with a red circle. I believe this is a common area for people. I have no idea if it is just a pinched nerve, or something else.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

I will tell you about my main problem here. It is not "hurt" but rather, my right hand has a little tremor. Basically in relaxed position it is fine, normal. But when I put my hand up like when I want to give someone a hi-5, then it will shake. No pain, just shaking. And when I look down as far as I can, I can feel some kind of uncomfortable pain in that area in the picture I marked before. I have been to a physiotherapy, he said to strengthen my should/neck muscle, but it did not seem to work, or I just did not do them enough.

This also stops me from doing lifting. I have always wanted to start lifting but this kinda stops me. Or perhaps I SHOULD do lifting to strengthen the neck and shoulder muscles therefore stopping the problem(tremor)? I think it may well be a muscle imbalance. My GP (General Practitioner) told me to see physio (which I explained above) or if it does not work, a neurologist since my problem seems to be my nerves. But I really do hope you can give me some advice first before I go to neurologists which are so expensive....

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Explained in Number 2

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
Like I said no pain, though I feel a little bit of weakness when gripping something with my right hand.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I have had this since maybe ...4 years ago.

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Exactly, like I said I am not too sure if I should lift weights or not. Perhaps I should, to strengthen the muscles, but I noticed that once I have lifted weights, the tremor seems worse. Perhaps I should just keep doing it? Who knows, maybe stronger muscles = less tremors.

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
I cannot exactly describe the pain. But I feel it has something to do with the picture I marked up there. WHen I lift my shoulder including my hand, it does not shake as long as I don't make my hand "stand" like when Im about to give a hi-five. However, if I relax my shoulder, but give hi-five, it shakes. Therefore, I believe it is just my hand?

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Strengthening shoulder, back and neck muscle liek my physio said. But I did not see any results. If you think I didnt do it enough, I am glad to do more again.

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Resting seems to help, I notice when I wake up, it shakes very little compared to during the day, where it shakes quite a lot. What makes it worse? Activities in general, I guess. The more I use it, the worse. But if this is the case then I cannot lift weights..? I still think it is just my weak muscles that I need to strengthen by lifting to improve my back/shoulder/neck muscles.

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
No, nothing like these.

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Explained in number 9.

12. Any previous injury history?
Nope, never.

13. How's your posture?
Perhaps I sometimes hunch,(back is not straight). I also believe having good posture helps a little with my tremor.

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I play soccer for a club. For that body part, I am waiting for you recommendations if I should strengthen the shoulder/back/neck muscles.

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Well, everything is pretty much summed up in your questions. I hope to hear a reply from you eshlow, you are my hope, no exaggeration. I have been to doctors, they told me to see physio, which had no result on me, or neurologist, which is expensive like crazy...

So yes, that is all, if you need more info please feel free to ask me.

Thank you very much eshlow.





Eh, you need to find a better physio... they likely should be able to fix your pain if they can fix your scapular mechanics

The location where you noted pain is the lower trap type area which is responsible for helping stabilize the scapula as you move your arm overhead. If this muscle is disrupted and painful and weak for whatever reason, the arm may be unstable when you move it up and thus shake.

I don't know if you have an individual weaknesses or tightnesses/weak beyond that which need fixing so I would generally suggest seeing if you can get to a physio who sports teams use or who is recommended by other PTs. Try to locate the best of the best.



Thanks mate

So your advice is to see a better physio?

And also, what kind of exercises would you recommend for this type of thing?


I don't know because I haven't examined you. You need someone to manual muscle test you and check your ROM and see what some of the issues are and then design a custom PT program for your case...

I can't do that through the internet.
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deejay
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 15:12:16
April 15 2012 10:39 GMT
#373
Hi eshlow
Wondering if I could get some advice on a knee problem I've been having.

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1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
[image loading]
I would describe it as being the quadriceps tendon as well as one of the medial tendons(not sure which). Only on my right knee.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
Squatting, climbing stairs and at one point walking. Mainly movements where a load bodyweight or above was applied.

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Varied. But I would describe it as a sharp pain when a load was applied.

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
4-5

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Acute. The onset was about 3weeks ago. Initially the pain was too intense to walk on. There was swelling and stiffness of the joint. After RICE'ing for a a few days(3-4) the pain subsided and I could walk and climb stairs again. I started a slow/light resumption of training but just recently felt a similar pain again. There was no swelling this time and I could walk and climb stairs the next day.

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Not before the initial injury. I stopped training for a week and began slow training and stretching after.

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
At the surface. I suspect its the tendons around the joint.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
RICE intially.
After a break from training for one week I resumed slowly building intensity and loads.
But felt a similar onset and thus halted training again.

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Rest and RICE.
Once the swelling had gone down stretching.
Not sure what is causing it to get worse.
The pain is not constant. It subsides after resting and RICE
It seems to increase sometimes after doing high intensity training above aerobic levels. (I swim for fitness).

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Currently there is no tightness or swelling. One tendon on the rear outside of the knee is a little tender.

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Sometimes after excercise it feels a little stiff but not sore. After the two noticeable incidents it was painful when loaded.
Feels fine generally at the beginning and ending of the day.

12. Any previous injury history?
I did have osgood schlatters when I was younger.

13. How's your posture?
Normal

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I swim and do weights regularly. Generally one or the other everyday.
If I swim its for at least an hour to 90mins. Of mainly aerobic intensity but I also do some anerobic and sprint training.(I use to race)
If its the gym its about 45mins of excercises on a pair of muscle groups always rotating between sessions. Followed by abs/core and stretching.

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
I am flat footed.
Generally pretty fit and within healthy weight(180cm and 71kg).
I don't run alot but sometimes I cycle either on a real bike or a machine.
edit: I have also noticed that when stretching my quads I can hear/feel clicking noises in the right knee but not the left

I thought I had given this injury proper time to recover but it flaired up again (albeit to a lesser extent the second time).
I avoided doing any weights on my legs during this time. I could squat my own weight when the pain had subsided.
I was building intensity in my swims when the pain occurred again.
Is it a case of giving it more time for it to recover fully?
If so how long?



Any help would be greatly appreciated.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 15 2012 22:00 GMT
#374
On April 15 2012 19:39 deejay wrote:
Hi eshlow
Wondering if I could get some advice on a knee problem I've been having.

+ Show Spoiler +

1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
[image loading]
I would describe it as being the quadriceps tendon as well as one of the medial tendons(not sure which). Only on my right knee.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
Squatting, climbing stairs and at one point walking. Mainly movements where a load bodyweight or above was applied.

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Varied. But I would describe it as a sharp pain when a load was applied.

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
4-5

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Acute. The onset was about 3weeks ago. Initially the pain was too intense to walk on. There was swelling and stiffness of the joint. After RICE'ing for a a few days(3-4) the pain subsided and I could walk and climb stairs again. I started a slow/light resumption of training but just recently felt a similar pain again. There was no swelling this time and I could walk and climb stairs the next day.

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Not before the initial injury. I stopped training for a week and began slow training and stretching after.

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
At the surface. I suspect its the tendons around the joint.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
RICE intially.
After a break from training for one week I resumed slowly building intensity and loads.
But felt a similar onset and thus halted training again.

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Rest and RICE.
Once the swelling had gone down stretching.
Not sure what is causing it to get worse.
The pain is not constant. It subsides after resting and RICE
It seems to increase sometimes after doing high intensity training above aerobic levels. (I swim for fitness).

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Currently there is no tightness or swelling. One tendon on the rear outside of the knee is a little tender.

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Sometimes after excercise it feels a little stiff but not sore. After the two noticeable incidents it was painful when loaded.
Feels fine generally at the beginning and ending of the day.

12. Any previous injury history?
I did have osgood schlatters when I was younger.

13. How's your posture?
Normal

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
I swim and do weights regularly. Generally one or the other everyday.
If I swim its for at least an hour to 90mins. Of mainly aerobic intensity but I also do some anerobic and sprint training.(I use to race)
If its the gym its about 45mins of excercises on a pair of muscle groups always rotating between sessions. Followed by abs/core and stretching.

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
I am flat footed.
Generally pretty fit and within healthy weight(180cm and 71kg).
I don't run alot but sometimes I cycle either on a real bike or a machine.
edit: I have also noticed that when stretching my quads I can hear/feel clicking noises in the right knee but not the left

I thought I had given this injury proper time to recover but it flaired up again (albeit to a lesser extent the second time).
I avoided doing any weights on my legs during this time. I could squat my own weight when the pain had subsided.
I was building intensity in my swims when the pain occurred again.
Is it a case of giving it more time for it to recover fully?
If so how long?



Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Do your knees cave in during any exercise?

Are your quads much stronger and bigger than your hamstrings?

Calf flexibility? Glute strength/hypertrophy?
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deejay
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 03:41:17
April 16 2012 01:16 GMT
#375
Hey
Thanks for the quick response

To answer your questions.
1. No not really. Not during the last three weeks anyway
2. I would definitely say that my quads are stronger than my hamstrings.
3. I'm not sure how to answer the last point. Is that what you suggest I work on?

Again thank you for your consideration.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 16 2012 17:34 GMT
#376
On April 16 2012 10:16 deejay wrote:
Hey
Thanks for the quick response

To answer your questions.
1. No not really. Not during the last three weeks anyway
2. I would definitely say that my quads are stronger than my hamstrings.
3. I'm not sure how to answer the last point. Is that what you suggest I work on?

Again thank you for your consideration.

A good follow up for #3, I think correct me if I'm wrong, is can you get into a 3rd world squat?
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
April 16 2012 19:16 GMT
#377
Eshlow, any recommendations for hip pointers? Got it like 10 days ago, managed to play through it this weekend although it took a hit or two. Next game is saturday and after that i won't have to play for a while.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 16 2012 20:07 GMT
#378
On April 16 2012 10:16 deejay wrote:
Hey
Thanks for the quick response

To answer your questions.
1. No not really. Not during the last three weeks anyway
2. I would definitely say that my quads are stronger than my hamstrings.
3. I'm not sure how to answer the last point. Is that what you suggest I work on?

Again thank you for your consideration.


Seems like some typical issues you might have from some imbalance....

stretch out your quads, work on your hammy and glute strength, stretch out calves and hip flexors,

Foam roll everything, especially quads

And see if it gets a bit better
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 20:08:19
April 16 2012 20:08 GMT
#379
On April 17 2012 04:16 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow, any recommendations for hip pointers? Got it like 10 days ago, managed to play through it this weekend although it took a hit or two. Next game is saturday and after that i won't have to play for a while.


Non-painful mobility work if possible..... A LOT of it.

If it's not possible non-painfully you can still do hip mobility work as long as the pain does not get worse.

You want to keep everything from siezing/cramping up and maintain mobility which will help to accelerate recovery and maintain strength and range of motion

Ice if need be of course
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
April 16 2012 20:18 GMT
#380
On April 17 2012 05:08 eshlow wrote:
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On April 17 2012 04:16 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow, any recommendations for hip pointers? Got it like 10 days ago, managed to play through it this weekend although it took a hit or two. Next game is saturday and after that i won't have to play for a while.


Non-painful mobility work if possible..... A LOT of it.

If it's not possible non-painfully you can still do hip mobility work as long as the pain does not get worse.

You want to keep everything from siezing/cramping up and maintain mobility which will help to accelerate recovery and maintain strength and range of motion

Ice if need be of course


alright. I'm gonna still hit my oly lifting this week cause squatting position doesnt really hurt and i'll stretch it the other ways as well. I dont think its a very serious one. Should i foam roll it?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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