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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
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matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
now onto my performance, i ran 20 miles or just over, i like to make sure im running slightly more incase i fuck up my measureing, but it was between 20 and 20 and a half miles, i did it by running 110 times around my local football pitch, it was great, i stopped every 20 or 30 laps to drink and eat for a couple minutes and then continued back on, much like i would in a marathon stopping for supplys at aid stations. this allowed me to stay hydrated and keep me going throughout the whole run. i managed to do the distance in a time of 2:48, however i think i have pushed myself too far on this run, i think my legs weren't quite ready to shove the distance up so fast yet, i have a sore knee in hindsight it would of been a better idea to cut it at around 18 miles and walked home, but once i'd got that far i sought of couldn't stop myself going the rest. but i will wait til tomorrow to see how my knee actually feels, as currently it is just very stiff. looking at my pace, i'm very encouraged as i managed to once again up my pace by around 15 seconds per mile, while also upping my distance aswell. however this time i felt more like i was pushing close to my limits, i was feeling some serious stiffness towards the end, and my body started telling me to stop, i think i will leave my long run at 20 miles for a couple weeks, my body definitely won't be ready for any longer distnaces than that for a couple weeks, specially if i am to be careful, however i was still running at a training pace, if i was to push myself for speed i think right now i could cut off the 24 seconds per mile to get to my target pace, obviously that would be a bad play considering i'm still training, but overall this 20 mile, while maybe an overstretch on my current fitness, is encouraging and giving me hope that i can continue to push toward my goal. | ||
dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:47 matthewfoulkes wrote: I Ran my 20 mile run, it was kind of drab ahah, cos my legs have been sore from mileage, i've decided that im going to do much better for my legs if i run on grass and i've also started running barefoot cos its more fun and it avoids hurting my blisters. now onto my performance, i ran 20 miles or just over, i like to make sure im running slightly more incase i fuck up my measureing, but it was between 20 and 20 and a half miles, i did it by running 110 times around my local football pitch, it was great, i stopped every 20 or 30 laps to drink and eat for a couple minutes and then continued back on, much like i would in a marathon stopping for supplys at aid stations. this allowed me to stay hydrated and keep me going throughout the whole run. i managed to do the distance in a time of 2:48, however i think i have pushed myself too far on this run, i think my legs weren't quite ready to shove the distance up so fast yet, i have a sore knee in hindsight it would of been a better idea to cut it at around 18 miles and walked home, but once i'd got that far i sought of couldn't stop myself going the rest. but i will wait til tomorrow to see how my knee actually feels, as currently it is just very stiff. looking at my pace, i'm very encouraged as i managed to once again up my pace by around 15 seconds per mile, while also upping my distance aswell. however this time i felt more like i was pushing close to my limits, i was feeling some serious stiffness towards the end, and my body started telling me to stop, i think i will leave my long run at 20 miles for a couple weeks, my body definitely won't be ready for any longer distnaces than that for a couple weeks, specially if i am to be careful, however i was still running at a training pace, if i was to push myself for speed i think right now i could cut off the 24 seconds per mile to get to my target pace, obviously that would be a bad play considering i'm still training, but overall this 20 mile, while maybe an overstretch on my current fitness, is encouraging and giving me hope that i can continue to push toward my goal. Great progress mate :D How long do you have until your bet date again? Keep those injuries at bay and I bet you can do this! | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:00 dudeman001 wrote: Great progress mate :D How long do you have until your bet date again? Keep those injuries at bay and I bet you can do this! You get props for having the mental fortitude to do a 20 miler on what amounts to a "track". We know you can handle that aspect of a marathon anyway. | ||
matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
but yea like you said its all about making sure i balance training hard and putting in serious mileage against listening to my body and not breaking my body before i run the race. i'm fairly confident at the moment, my sore knee cleared right up, my legs are still sore from fatigue, but i'm going to take tomorrow off and just give myself a day to recover then go for some fast runs and get some hill climbing done, my only fear is there isn't hills near me big enough to stop me :D. also L master, you're my running thread hero, ![]() ![]() After i finish my 3:30 marathon, whether that is on attempt 1,2,3 or 20, I hope to move down the distances and become some kind of athlete at my uni, cross country was something i loved as a kid but was never very good at, i was on the cusp of being good enough to get on the team at the start of secondary school (high school), but never was quite good enough, so i want to go hard and use running to not only be a good runner but a very strong all round athlete. | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:43 matthewfoulkes wrote: the original bet was before my birthday, but that just wasn't going to work, as my birthday is the 6th and the first uk marathon in october is the 7th, but i decided to go with the liverpool marathon, as it is only a short train ride from the city where i am studying for uni, thats on the 14th, so 8 days after the original bet. so i have a total of 43 days. but yea like you said its all about making sure i balance training hard and putting in serious mileage against listening to my body and not breaking my body before i run the race. i'm fairly confident at the moment, my sore knee cleared right up, my legs are still sore from fatigue, but i'm going to take tomorrow off and just give myself a day to recover then go for some fast runs and get some hill climbing done, my only fear is there isn't hills near me big enough to stop me :D. also L master, you're my running thread hero, ![]() ![]() After i finish my 3:30 marathon, whether that is on attempt 1,2,3 or 20, I hope to move down the distances and become some kind of athlete at my uni, cross country was something i loved as a kid but was never very good at, i was on the cusp of being good enough to get on the team at the start of secondary school (high school), but never was quite good enough, so i want to go hard and use running to not only be a good runner but a very strong all round athlete. I'd highly recommend you throw in some marathon pace work if your actually going to go after 3:30. A few classic workouts would be: 1) 22-24 mile long run at around 80% of MP (in your case 9:30-10:00 minute/mile). This can be done with or without caloric ingestion. Doing it with allows you to practice fueling as you will in the marathon, whearas without trains your bodies utilization of fat as a fuel source. The run also serves to help develop the musculature and structural support needed for a long race like the marathon 2) 16-20 mile run with the first X miles at around 80% of MP and the last 10 at marathon pace. It develops marathon pace comfort/efficiency and teaches your body to run at that pace well when tired. This is one of the more "classic" marathon workout long runs 3) 8-12 mile "tempo" run at or just (5-10s) faster than marathon pace (so for you 7:50-8:00 minute/mile). It's a solid aerobic development workout in and of itself, and is good for learning to pace correctly at the beginning of the marathon when everything feels fresh and easy 4) 6 mile tempo run at roughly 105% of MP (7:35 min/mile). Good for aerobic power and helps improves efficiency at marathon pace by making MP feel slower/smoother. 5) 18 mile long run at MP (8:00) 6) 15-20 mile run with middle 10 miles alternating half mile segements at 7:45/9:00 pace. I will say that most of these workouts are BIG workouts that require serious fitness to complete, and at least three, probably more days of easy, active recovery in between. Numbers 1/3/4 should be reasonable for you, 2 I would expect to be very challenging, and 5/6 are probably not even wise to attempt unless at a reduced volume, as (though it's hard to tell for sure) target MP currently seems to be a little beyond your fitness level and your mileage certainly doesn't give a good base for support for runs that are both fast AND long. I consider trying something like #4 first, and then come back to us with how that went and we can really asses where you're at. Not to mention that a good tempo run or two at a pace notably brisker than MP will do wonders for making MP seem that much more relaxed and comfortable. | ||
AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:47 matthewfoulkes wrote: I Ran my 20 mile run, it was kind of drab ahah, cos my legs have been sore from mileage, i've decided that im going to do much better for my legs if i run on grass and i've also started running barefoot cos its more fun and it avoids hurting my blisters. now onto my performance, i ran 20 miles or just over, i like to make sure im running slightly more incase i fuck up my measureing, but it was between 20 and 20 and a half miles, i did it by running 110 times around my local football pitch, it was great, i stopped every 20 or 30 laps to drink and eat for a couple minutes and then continued back on, much like i would in a marathon stopping for supplys at aid stations. this allowed me to stay hydrated and keep me going throughout the whole run. i managed to do the distance in a time of 2:48, however i think i have pushed myself too far on this run, i think my legs weren't quite ready to shove the distance up so fast yet, i have a sore knee in hindsight it would of been a better idea to cut it at around 18 miles and walked home, but once i'd got that far i sought of couldn't stop myself going the rest. but i will wait til tomorrow to see how my knee actually feels, as currently it is just very stiff. looking at my pace, i'm very encouraged as i managed to once again up my pace by around 15 seconds per mile, while also upping my distance aswell. however this time i felt more like i was pushing close to my limits, i was feeling some serious stiffness towards the end, and my body started telling me to stop, i think i will leave my long run at 20 miles for a couple weeks, my body definitely won't be ready for any longer distnaces than that for a couple weeks, specially if i am to be careful, however i was still running at a training pace, if i was to push myself for speed i think right now i could cut off the 24 seconds per mile to get to my target pace, obviously that would be a bad play considering i'm still training, but overall this 20 mile, while maybe an overstretch on my current fitness, is encouraging and giving me hope that i can continue to push toward my goal. Be careful running 20 miles around a small field. Especially if you're making sharp turns it could get you hurt. If you still choose to continue to do this at least change the direction you're going a few times. On September 01 2012 04:43 matthewfoulkes wrote: the original bet was before my birthday, but that just wasn't going to work, as my birthday is the 6th and the first uk marathon in october is the 7th, but i decided to go with the liverpool marathon, as it is only a short train ride from the city where i am studying for uni, thats on the 14th, so 8 days after the original bet. so i have a total of 43 days. but yea like you said its all about making sure i balance training hard and putting in serious mileage against listening to my body and not breaking my body before i run the race. i'm fairly confident at the moment, my sore knee cleared right up, my legs are still sore from fatigue, but i'm going to take tomorrow off and just give myself a day to recover then go for some fast runs and get some hill climbing done, my only fear is there isn't hills near me big enough to stop me :D. also L master, you're my running thread hero, ![]() ![]() After i finish my 3:30 marathon, whether that is on attempt 1,2,3 or 20, I hope to move down the distances and become some kind of athlete at my uni, cross country was something i loved as a kid but was never very good at, i was on the cusp of being good enough to get on the team at the start of secondary school (high school), but never was quite good enough, so i want to go hard and use running to not only be a good runner but a very strong all round athlete. Running in only your boxers? Hahaha. That's a funny image to think about. Get some running shorts with lining dude. How can you run 20 miles in boxers? That sounds terrible. The thought of my junk flopping around for 3 hours bothers me. Edit: You stopped your watch between breaks didn't you? If you did you can't really rely on the time you ran as a race simulation with your breaks because clocks don't stop during races. | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 01 2012 11:47 AirbladeOrange wrote: Be careful running 20 miles around a small field. Especially if you're making sharp turns it could get you hurt. If you still choose to continue to do this at least change the direction you're going a few times. Running in only your boxers? Hahaha. That's a funny image to think about. Get some running shorts with lining dude. How can you run 20 miles in boxers? That sounds terrible. The thought of my junk flopping around for 3 hours bothers me. Edit: You stopped your watch between breaks didn't you? If you did you can't really rely on the time you ran as a race simulation with your breaks because clocks don't stop during races. Really good point Airblade brings up here. That can be really tough on the body, especially when done for long periods of time. It's even worse if it's a field and your running 90 degree turns. EDIT: Get running shorts. They are fantastic, comfortable and great free range of motion. I'd wear them alot more than I do if they weren't "socially atypical" clothing and didn't instantly pick up smells. | ||
matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
it was also kind of a little bit chilly in terms of wind temp, so my junk ended up tightening up and not flying around as much i was expecting, i need to get a proper pair of running shorts, but i actually loved running in basically nothing haha, if I could go naked running I probably would(take barefoot running and turn it into barebum running ![]() | ||
AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On September 01 2012 18:17 matthewfoulkes wrote: I didn't stop my watch, that is my time including my breaks, and i ended up taking a fair few of them, i obviously wouldn't run 20 miles and then go hurrr durrr i took about 15 minutes of breaks but they don't actually count as part of the race, in terms of actual running pace i felt i was running comfortable pace the whole time but that i should stop not only cos i was getting hungry as fuck,had a fruit breakfast, not the carb fest i need to run that distance, so i just continued to graze on the fruit and nut mix and bananas i brought down with me, i'm not sure whether i could of run the same without the breaks as eating in small bursts along the run was very useful and it kept me satisfied and full while avoiding any of the common problems with eating before/during runs, as i tend to get stitches badly i'm learning to run through the stiches, is this the right way to deal with them when I get them. it was also kind of a little bit chilly in terms of wind temp, so my junk ended up tightening up and not flying around as much i was expecting, i need to get a proper pair of running shorts, but i actually loved running in basically nothing haha, if I could go naked running I probably would(take barefoot running and turn it into barebum running ![]() Just go to a local sporting goods store and try some shorts on and see what is comfortable for you. If you didn't stop your watch then you're probably right on your pace for the time you spent running. If you stopped 4-5 times for 2 minutes or less you're hitting right about an 8 minute mile pace while running. | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 02 2012 00:55 AirbladeOrange wrote: Just go to a local sporting goods store and try some shorts on and see what is comfortable for you. If you didn't stop your watch then you're probably right on your pace for the time you spent running. If you stopped 4-5 times for 2 minutes or less you're hitting right about an 8 minute mile pace while running. It's worth noting that in a marathon people don't typically stop for there breaks. They consume their fluids/drinks/gels/etc. while on the run. At some point I would recommend adjusting to that as if your not used to it eating/drinking on the run can be a little awkward. | ||
AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On September 02 2012 01:17 L_Master wrote: It's worth noting that in a marathon people don't typically stop for there breaks. They consume their fluids/drinks/gels/etc. while on the run. At some point I would recommend adjusting to that as if your not used to it eating/drinking on the run can be a little awkward. Yeah, people generally don't stop for breaks because over the course of a marathon you can save so much time just by throwing a gel down or taking a few swigs of water while still moving. If you didn't stop during your run you could finish that same 20 miler around 8-10 minutes earlier. | ||
craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On August 24 2012 08:02 matthewfoulkes wrote: im sorry im not willing to budge, i'm going to aim for 3:30 and if i hit above that, i take 2 weeks break or so, running only very casually then i will get back on the horse and start training for the next one, til i complete this challenge. I had the same mindset as you the first (and only) time I ran a marathon. I went out shooting for 3:30 and crashed badly. Pain in knees, muscles hard as rock, etc., I eventually finished around 4:25. At the time I had only run a long run max of 6-7 miles and usually ran 3-4 times a week with the rest of the runs being 5k's. My 5k PR at the time was 19:00 and I was 184cm and was probably around 68kg. Training-wise, there is no magic bullet for you. What I can suggest is that if you have access to a pool you can try supplementing your running with swimming in order to develop your cardiovascular system as much as possible before the race (admittedly, 6 weeks is nothing, but you need to squeeze in as much training as possible). In short: when you're legs are beat up from running, you get your ass in the pool and swim. On race day, you'd be wise to employ some sort of run/walk tactic. For example, run 10 minutes, walk one minute. Good luck and have fun. Actually, if you do manage to get 3:30 it's gonna be anything but fun, trust me. | ||
stOrpse
United States175 Posts
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matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:49 stOrpse wrote: Running is great for cardiovascular health and losing weight. OMG! I never even realized I could get these benefits from running, sweet! ![]() In all seriousness: wrong thread? | ||
Opponent
Canada32 Posts
I have never done any intervals training ever, I used to mainly focus on tempo runs to build my V02 max. I would like to do one or 2 intervals training per week. Could you guys tell me what kind of intervals i should be focusing on to develop my V02 max and how i should do them ? As of now, I run 6x times a week, I do 5 easy runs of 5 miles per day with a tempo run of 5 miles whenever day of the week my body feels great. I can run a mile in 7 minutes if that helps. Thx in advance ! | ||
AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On September 03 2012 08:47 Opponent wrote: I recently started running again about 3 months ago, right now I am focusing on building up my weekly mileage (I'm at 30 right now and want to get to 40 a week). I want to know if it is wise to start mixing in some intervals once I will be able to run 40 easy miles a week. I have never done any intervals training ever, I used to mainly focus on tempo runs to build my V02 max. I would like to do one or 2 intervals training per week. Could you guys tell me what kind of intervals i should be focusing on to develop my V02 max and how i should do them ? As of now, I run 6x times a week, I do 5 easy runs of 5 miles per day with a tempo run of 5 miles whenever day of the week my body feels great. I can run a mile in 7 minutes if that helps. Thx in advance ! I would wait to do interval work until you're comfortable at a certain mileage. So if you want to get to 40, wait until then and do that for 2 or so weeks. Then start interval work. I think it's best to start running hard for short periods of time. Say like 30 seconds hard then 30 seconds jog and repeat for however many sets makes sense to your mileage. Work your way up in time or distance gradually every 2 weeks or so to longer intervals. My money workout back in the day was 5 min hard, 4 min jog for 5 sets. You don't want your workouts being too much of your weekly mileage. They should be less miles total than your typical easy runs. This is why some people recommend doing longerish warmups and cooldowns and sometimes even a morning run if you're doing an afternoon or evening workout to keep up your mileage if you're worried about it. Many runners suffer from being crazy about hitting a very specific mileage. So if you're usual easy runs are around 5 miles make sure you do not do more than that during the interval portion of your workout (including recovery jogging). Warmups and cooldowns don't count toward this mileage but don't do anything much more than you can handle in a day. Also consider doing one long run per week that is about 25% of your total weekly mileage if you really want to increase your endurance. | ||
Opponent
Canada32 Posts
I read somewhere about HIIT and how it greatly increases the V02 Max, but I'm affraid to get injured since im still building my aerobic strenght. Should I consider using the technique someday or should I stick to standard intervals training ? Also, what is the anaerobic capacity and how does it increase the cardio ? | ||
AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On September 03 2012 11:37 Opponent wrote: Alright, I will make sure my body can handle the weekly mileage of 40 miles before doing interval training and I will add a long run per week. I read somewhere about HIIT and how it greatly increases the V02 Max, but I'm affraid to get injured since im still building my aerobic strenght. Should I consider using the technique someday or should I stick to standard intervals training ? Also, what is the anaerobic capacity and how does it increase the cardio ? If your goal is to be a better distance runner then HIIT is not what you should be doing. You can increase your V02 max with interval workouts like I described in the previous post. Anaerobic work is exercise that lasts for a short time (less than 2 minutes). Anaerobic capacity is how well you can perform anaerobic exercise. Cardio is generally used as a synonym for aerobic exercise. Aerobic is the opposite of anaerobic and is exercise that lasts for a longer time at an easier effort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_exercise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_exercise | ||
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