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On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair?
I think the best thing you can do is to go to your local running store and try out a pair of shoes that fits your foot. Ask the staff for help as they can let you run on a treadmill and see what kind of shoes you need (pronate etc.). And also help you pick shoes that fits the kinds of surfaces you run on. It does not matter what type of shoes other people use. Whats important is that your shoes are comfortable for you.
Personally i get new shoes once a year (maybe somebody else could tell whats optimal though), and i run about 4-5 times a week (20-30km/week). Mostly on soft surfaces though and not so much asphalt.
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On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair?
Right now i have a pair of saucony, i run about 32-37miles a week, +/- 2 or 3 miles. I've had them since janurary, and they are burnt out! but i haven't got any new pairs yet and just surviving on those. At first i didnt like them very much, then i started getting more and more used to them and actually liked it more and more. Before i had a pair of Nike Free runs, i think my next pair will be another nike free run, but idk yet.
From what i've read you should get a new pair every 300-500miles, but that'd mean some people would need to get a new pair of shoes every month...~_~.
Sweet!
Going for any sort of time goal, or just looking to finish without dying?
haha, i want to get through swim at around 40mins, bike hopefully under 3hr 30mins, and run under 2hrs. maybe under 1:50. 
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Brooks Racer ST5 for medium pace stuff, Brooks Pure Connect for track, Mizuno Ronin 3 for Trail and track work, Mizuno Inspire for nothing (i dont use them anymore, theyre too heavy), Puma XC Spikes, Nike Zoom Rival D spikes for training and 800-3k races, Nike Zoom Victory spikes (100 gramms) for miracles, Nike Lunaracer for races and Nike Zoom Elite 5 for miles miles, miles.
Luckily i got a sponsorship with a local running store and i get discount on them. I get 700-1000km out of my road shoes.
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On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair?
I usually just wear random New Balance shoes (forget the exact line). They seem to fit my feet well and I don't have any injury problems so they work for me.
They say you should change shoes every 500 miles or so, but I typically wear mine from 1500+ until they wear out...I don't seem to get injured so that works for me. Really the big issue is whether or not you start having pain/injury problems from shoes. The only criteria, imo, for a good running shoe is one that feels comfortable and doesn't result in any sorts of injuries.
Still need a decent pair of racing flats and spikes though as it would feel good to race in "real runners" shoes rather than clunky, heavy trainers.
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L_master, how are the 85 miles a week feeling? Are you doing workouts whilst hitting that? Are you running cross country or trying to peak for a race in particular? How many days have you missed this year?
And you are already at 2k miles? Wow, I just added mine all up and I am only at 1721.6 miles thus far this year. I ran everyday from the first week in January until the first week of May except I took one day off after our indoor conference meet. Following the outdoor season I took 7 days off. Since starting my training the end of the second week of May I have missed 5 days. Three of those days were because I was injured. One of those five was during the first week of getting back and I wanted to take it easy, and one day was because I was probably being lazy. So that makes 13 days this year.
I honestly thought my mileage would be much higher. I have been over 60 miles every week but one since June. Also, I am en route to hitting 80 miles this week (which would be my highest ever). I have only done one actual workout and the only reason I did it was because I went to the high school practice where they did 400's. We did 13x400 at 72-75 with a one lap jog which was usually in about 1:50 which is 7:20 pace. I ran a 16:08 last week on the roads with no workouts essentially so hopefully I can pop some good times next year. Hoping the hard work pays off.
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So I am 6'3" and around 210 lbs. I am no running junkie but I do it about 5 days a week and right now run about 1.5-2 miles a day and am steadily increasing. I am usually not winded afterwards but I do feel some muscle fatigue and my knees tend to hurt (mostly the one I injured in the past but also the one that is injury-free a little bit). I use running as a way to stay in shape for sports on top of weightlifting 5 days a week. I have added about 15 lbs in the last 5 months strictly from my offseason lifting. Am I just not the kind of guy who is able to run a fuckton like you guys can? It's pretty clear the lighter you are the easier running is. As I watch the Olympics they are all really short, really slim guys. Am I too heavy for incredibly long distances?
I'd be interesting to hear your guys height/weight.
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On August 05 2012 01:32 BilltownRunner wrote:
L_master, how are the 85 miles a week feeling? Are you doing workouts whilst hitting that? Are you running cross country or trying to peak for a race in particular? How many days have you missed this year?
It was a fairly big week, legs felt a little dead but nothing terrible. Morning run usually feel somewhere between complete shit and mediocre, afternoon runs/evening runs usually feel fine to great depending on how dead the legs feel. As far as workouts other than a tempo once a week and occassional progression type runs/"run to the barn" if I am feeling great on a particular run I'm not doing any workouts. My gameplan is basically to keep up in the 80s here until September and then cut the mileage back into maybe the 60s over a period of a few weeks and start adding in some real workouts. Haven't looked at the local race calendar but I'll probably be aiming to try and peak for a goal race sometime in late Oct./early Nov.
Looks like I have missed about 23 days or so, but alot of that was in Feb/Mar when I was sick for a little over a week combined with some crazy busy school schedule fun.
I honestly thought my mileage would be much higher. I have been over 60 miles every week but one since June. Also, I am en route to hitting 80 miles this week (which would be my highest ever). I have only done one actual workout and the only reason I did it was because I went to the high school practice where they did 400's. We did 13x400 at 72-75 with a one lap jog which was usually in about 1:50 which is 7:20 pace. I ran a 16:08 last week on the roads with no workouts essentially so hopefully I can pop some good times next year. Hoping the hard work pays off.
Yea, 16:08 of just miles seems fine as iirc correctly your PR is somewhere in the 15 high range? That could easily come down a bunch once the workouts/racing starts in earnest, not to mention a few more weeks or maybe even a month of more mileage and base.
I'm in the same boat as you for hoping the work pays off. Just working right now on eating smart and clean and letting myself work down to a good solid raceweight. If that 2 sec/mile per pound thing turns out to be remotely close I should be able to do some scary stuff (for me anyway) come fall.
Going to be interesting to see what happens because I never really done any workouts other than tempos here and there, except for a two or three week period last fall where I did a couple sessions of 400s @ mile pace with a jog 2x as long in duration as the interval and like 3 sessions of 5-6x1k w/2:30 rest. If I respond well to workouts in general it's possible I can make some nice jumps.
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Do you run club xc or anything? I know someone who runs club at a university and he seemed to really enjoy it. Yeah, I ran 15:45 this spring, so that 16:08 was my third fastest time ever which I was pretty happy about. I also almost beat my brother for the first time ever; he ended up beating me by two seconds.
I plan on holding 80-85 probably through the end of September or first few weeks of October until I taper for the conference and regional meet around the start of November. I think it might be hard to hold that once I go back to school and have classes everyday and working a few days a week. I really hope I can just stay injury free and enjoy the process. That is what it is all about. Also, I have way more people to run with when I am home from school than when at school so that will also make training more difficult. Oh well, just part of the grind, I suppose.
Usually I have done scheduled tempo runs or fartlek runs in the summer; however, this summer I have just done progressive runs like you said (basically finish the last few miles kinda hard). Seems to be working.
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On August 05 2012 09:49 BilltownRunner wrote:
Do you run club xc or anything? I know someone who runs club at a university and he seemed to really enjoy it. Yeah, I ran 15:45 this spring, so that 16:08 was my third fastest time ever which I was pretty happy about. I also almost beat my brother for the first time ever; he ended up beating me by two seconds.
I plan on holding 80-85 probably through the end of September or first few weeks of October until I taper for the conference and regional meet around the start of November. I think it might be hard to hold that once I go back to school and have classes everyday and working a few days a week. I really hope I can just stay injury free and enjoy the process. That is what it is all about. Also, I have way more people to run with when I am home from school than when at school so that will also make training more difficult. Oh well, just part of the grind, I suppose.
Usually I have done scheduled tempo runs or fartlek runs in the summer; however, this summer I have just done progressive runs like you said (basically finish the last few miles kinda hard). Seems to be working.
No, we don't have that as an option at my school, and I'm not fast enough yet to talk to the coach about walking on to the team.
Totally agree about staying injury free and just trying to enjoy the process, thats pretty much what keeps me motivated; that and the desire to be able to run faster...pretty much for me the faster I can run/train the more enjoyable it gets.
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So, how is everyone's training going?
Not much new to report for me, just plugging away with the miles pretty much. Got in about 80 this week, with a tempo run, "light" race, and decent long run. Felt alot easier than before my down week I took last week.
Definitely hyped to start real training here in about 4 weeks or so. Never really had a consistent block of good, solid speed work so I am very excited to see where that can take me. Pretty nervous though because the first race up on my schedule will be the UCCS Rust Buster XC open against a bunch of collegians. Last time I was dead last for the first 4k, and then ended up moving about 4 spots in the final 2k as a few fell back, looking to improve on that this time!
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On August 13 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote:
So, how is everyone's training going?
Not much new to report for me, just plugging away with the miles pretty much. Got in about 80 this week, with a tempo run, "light" race, and decent long run. Felt alot easier than before my down week I took last week.
Definitely hyped to start real training here in about 4 weeks or so. Never really had a consistent block of good, solid speed work so I am very excited to see where that can take me. Pretty nervous though because the first race up on my schedule will be the UCCS Rust Buster XC open against a bunch of collegians. Last time I was dead last for the first 4k, and then ended up moving about 4 spots in the final 2k as a few fell back, looking to improve on that this time!
Nice stuff. Are you still looking to run under 16:30 this fall?
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On August 13 2012 13:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote:
So, how is everyone's training going?
Not much new to report for me, just plugging away with the miles pretty much. Got in about 80 this week, with a tempo run, "light" race, and decent long run. Felt alot easier than before my down week I took last week.
Definitely hyped to start real training here in about 4 weeks or so. Never really had a consistent block of good, solid speed work so I am very excited to see where that can take me. Pretty nervous though because the first race up on my schedule will be the UCCS Rust Buster XC open against a bunch of collegians. Last time I was dead last for the first 4k, and then ended up moving about 4 spots in the final 2k as a few fell back, looking to improve on that this time! Nice stuff. Are you still looking to run under 16:30 this fall?
That's the dream goal. Alot of stars would need to align for that to happen, namely with regards to weight and performance. Where I am at right now (probably high 17's shape) thinking about 16:30 is obviously not in any way realistic at the current moment.
Basically at this point I'm not trying to consciously lose any weight at a given rate, but rather just trying to eat clean and smart and see where that takes me. I'm definitely not at an ideal race weight, but I'm reasonably close enough that consciously dropping a bunch of weight via calorie restriction doesn't seem to be a smart plan. I'll know better for sure what the fall goal will end up being here in about a month when it's close to being time to start real training.
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On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair?
I usually run mine off my feet. People change their shoes way too often in my opinion just like they sell their cars after 2-3 years from brand new. I'm cheap, and that's just plain illogical to me.
Now, if the wear on your shoes is uneven and exaggerated to one side or the other, you may have to change them out before I would, but the 300-500 miles normally recommended must be from the shoe companies.
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On August 14 2012 00:52 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair? I usually run mine off my feet. People change their shoes way too often in my opinion just like they sell their cars after 2-3 years from brand new. I'm cheap, and that's just plain illogical to me. Now, if the wear on your shoes is uneven and exaggerated to one side or the other, you may have to change them out before I would, but the 300-500 miles normally recommended must be from the shoe companies.
I've always been cheap too but when it comes to running shoes it's too risky. I know people who run in the same shoes for 1,000 plus miles with no problem. They only change shoes when theirs literally come apart from overuse.
It's much safer to change them after around 500 miles or once per season. I'd rather spend the money for 3 pairs of shoes a year than have a season ending injury.
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I used to run a lot in middle school and cross country, i started in 6th grade thinking it would be fun, so i trained hard and did well in it, turns out i ended up hating running but since i played soccer competitively I stuck with it to gain an advantage.
Now that im studying at university I have started to find running enjoyable for the first time,
I dont have to run when and where someone tells me, I dont have to run for a specific time, i can just run it feels great haha
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On August 14 2012 03:22 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 00:52 danl9rm wrote:On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair? I usually run mine off my feet. People change their shoes way too often in my opinion just like they sell their cars after 2-3 years from brand new. I'm cheap, and that's just plain illogical to me. Now, if the wear on your shoes is uneven and exaggerated to one side or the other, you may have to change them out before I would, but the 300-500 miles normally recommended must be from the shoe companies. I've always been cheap too but when it comes to running shoes it's too risky. I know people who run in the same shoes for 1,000 plus miles with no problem. They only change shoes when theirs literally come apart from overuse. It's much safer to change them after around 500 miles or once per season. I'd rather spend the money for 3 pairs of shoes a year than have a season ending injury.
Fair enough
I think it's one of those things that if you really feel that way, there is no reason to try to change the mind of the other guy. It's really just preference - most of the time (I would concede that there are exceptions).
If you feel like you need to change your shoes that quickly, then do it. Peace of mind on the road or while competing is priceless. You don't want to have to worry about your form going to poop or an injury every mile you run. That pressure can make running needlessly difficult.
However, if you are not to be deterred by a few "too many" miles on a pair of shoes, then go for it. I do.
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On August 14 2012 03:22 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 00:52 danl9rm wrote:On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair? I usually run mine off my feet. People change their shoes way too often in my opinion just like they sell their cars after 2-3 years from brand new. I'm cheap, and that's just plain illogical to me. Now, if the wear on your shoes is uneven and exaggerated to one side or the other, you may have to change them out before I would, but the 300-500 miles normally recommended must be from the shoe companies. I've always been cheap too but when it comes to running shoes it's too risky. I know people who run in the same shoes for 1,000 plus miles with no problem. They only change shoes when theirs literally come apart from overuse.
It's much safer to change them after around 500 miles or once per season. I'd rather spend the money for 3 pairs of shoes a year than have a season ending injury.
This is true for me haha. I don't really seem to have any injury issues, and have probably worn each pair of shoes for 2,000+ miles. I've had three pairs since I really started running back in April of 2011.
On August 14 2012 04:41 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 03:22 AirbladeOrange wrote:On August 14 2012 00:52 danl9rm wrote:On July 31 2012 17:45 craz3d wrote:
What shoes does everyone run with and how many miles/km does everyone get on them before they get a new pair? I usually run mine off my feet. People change their shoes way too often in my opinion just like they sell their cars after 2-3 years from brand new. I'm cheap, and that's just plain illogical to me. Now, if the wear on your shoes is uneven and exaggerated to one side or the other, you may have to change them out before I would, but the 300-500 miles normally recommended must be from the shoe companies. I've always been cheap too but when it comes to running shoes it's too risky. I know people who run in the same shoes for 1,000 plus miles with no problem. They only change shoes when theirs literally come apart from overuse. It's much safer to change them after around 500 miles or once per season. I'd rather spend the money for 3 pairs of shoes a year than have a season ending injury. Fair enough I think it's one of those things that if you really feel that way, there is no reason to try to change the mind of the other guy. It's really just preference - most of the time (I would concede that there are exceptions). If you feel like you need to change your shoes that quickly, then do it. Peace of mind on the road or while competing is priceless. You don't want to have to worry about your form going to poop or an injury every mile you run. That pressure can make running needlessly difficult. However, if you are not to be deterred by a few "too many" miles on a pair of shoes, then go for it. I do.
You make it sound almost as if the issue of "too many miles" is all in your head or something though. It isn't. It's a very real issue. As shoes wear out they lose stability, can "crumple" more easily from back to front. lose cushioning, and can be worn down in various areas resulting in a slightly different footplant.
All of those issues can cause serious injury problems depending on your own gait, mechanics, and body. For instance, for guys with a tendency to overpronate heavily and develop injuries as a result, a shoe that crumples too easily loses its' motion control abilities and allows the foot significantly more freedom to pronate. Or if your are a major heelstriker with a tendency for achilles issues, the heel of the shoe can both wear out and lose cushioning, which allows for more jarring of the heel and increases the distance the heel must travel every step taken which stretches the tendon more every step.
While guys like you can I can get away without changing shoes often, please don't make the mistake of thinking that is true for the majority of people, or that most shoes do not begin to accumulate significant wear after a relatively low amount of miles and begin to allow the body to move in unintended ways.
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That's the thing, though. How many people have developed severe gait problems because their body moved in unintended ways when they walked barefoot as a child? And when is the ground that you walk on (barefoot) ever the same in even two places?
It's just my opinion, obviously, but I think there is too much hubbub about making sure your foot lands "perfectly," whatever that is, every time you take a step.
Look, my only intention was to say that if it doesn't seem to affect you, then maybe it doesn't. It's not a simple equation of don't get new shoes -> destroy your joints. Because back in the day, before I developed my own point of view, that's all I heard. I'm just letting people know there are other opinions.
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On August 14 2012 23:14 danl9rm wrote:
That's the thing, though. How many people have developed severe gait problems because their body moved in unintended ways when they walked barefoot as a child? And when is the ground that you walk on (barefoot) ever the same in even two places?
It's just my opinion, obviously, but I think there is too much hubbub about making sure your foot lands "perfectly," whatever that is, every time you take a step.
Hmm, I guess I'm not really trying to imply that the foot needs to land perfectly, or that you're going to develop gait problems from shoes.
The idea I'm trying to get at I suppose is that some people need certain types of shoes, based on their gait, to keep them healthy and injury free. If your Achilles is sensitive you often need shoes with extra cushioning or some sort of lift toward the heel. If that wears down...you get injured.
Shoes, in my opinion, aren't about having an ideal gait or perfect landing. They are a device to deal with modern surfaces (i.e. concrete, asphalt, etc.) and to prevent injuries.
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