EPTThe Paleo Diet thread - Page 11
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:41 Sackings wrote: been thinking about trying this out, have a question about eggs tho. Is it really ok to be eating eggs everyday? you always hear from the media about how bad eggs are for chlorestrol, is this a crock of shit ??? right now i do 3 scrambled eggs + some shredded cheese mixed in, fills me up just fine, never hungry till lunch. Read the 10+ studies I posted on the other page about cholesterol. Eggs are great. I try to eat at least 3 a day, and I know some of my friends eat up to 6-12 a day. We all have great blood panels. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:10 mordek wrote: Any thoughts on the Slow-Carb (4-hour body diet)? Seems similar except he promotes beans and eating whatever you want once a week. Been doing it for a month now, can't say I feel too different. The diet is presented in a way to lose fat but its supposed to be sustainable and better for you. I guess my main question for the knowledgable people out there is what you think of the "cheat day" where you eat grains/sugars. Some people need the cheat day. If you need the cheat day then cheat. I would, however, change the cheat day to cheat meals... 3 a week... then cut back to 2,.. then 1. But obviously what is best is staying on the bandwagon. It's true that changing most of the stuff is most of the results, but you can notice small differences over the good stuff when you go strict. | ||
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FungalLove
Uruguay24 Posts
And now you pissed me off for real with your "I am better than you because I follow a new age diet" posts. It wasn't my intention to do any "vegan/vegetarian" propaganda. I have nothing against eating meats, or eggs. In fact I do so almost every day. My problem is this: "Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy." That is just plain stupid. Paleo diet? Wtf, we are not in the paleolithic anymore people. If you had to kill a cow every time you wanted a stake I'm pretty sure you wouldn't eat that much stake. Same goes for birds. Go kill a chicken every time you want a chicken wing. About grains: I mean, chinese people for example, they have been eating rice with their meals for thousands of years, and I don't see any study saying that their intestinal tract is fu**ed up. And they don't have any history of diabetes, alzheimer or any other disease named in the opening post. MOREOVER: I hadn't checked on the internet about this diet, but now that I did, you really can't expect me to take it seriously: First of all, the freaking diet has a TM next to it, with its own flashy website. Meaning someone is making a huge load of money from writing shit about this. They even have books and DVDs showing you how to eat a freaking egg. Second: look at this guy's face. This is the doctor that is supposedly giving us this wonderful diet? WTF, if I end up looking like him, I don't want anything to do with this diet. He simply looks like a retarded person, or a serial killer. There is no intelligence whatsoever behind his eyes. (If you cannot see this, maybe it's because you already look like him) (YES I took the liberty of screenshooting the website to show you his expression). ![[image loading]](http://i40.tinypic.com/a26at0.jpg) Third: there are testimonials on the website? Like...really? Testimonials? One would think that in this age people would have already learned that anything with "testimonials" is just plain bullshit. This just looks to me as bullshit as Trascendental Meditation, which also has a freaking TM next to it, and supposedly makes you fly after 3 sessions or something. You want to learn how to meditate? Go and read any hindu text that has a thousand years or more, and you will learn how to meditate. You want to learn how to eat properly? Read anything written a thousand years ago, it probably still applies, and you can be sure that they don't want to sell you anything. Civilizations like the chinese didn't thrive for being ignorant. They had (still have but now they are almost as stupid as us westerners) knowledge of the workings of the body that doctors today are still trying to understand. And they eat freaking rice every freaking day!! <3 | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
Second: look at this guy's face. This is the doctor that is supposedly giving us this wonderful diet? WTF, if I end up looking like him, I don't want anything to do with this diet. He simply looks like a retarded person, or a serial killer. There is no intelligence whatsoever behind his eyes. (If you cannot see this, maybe it's because you already look like him) Lololol. Not a great argument but made me laugh. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
Goddamn vitamin D s always fucking with me, ever since I was little. | ||
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Crawler
Estonia248 Posts
Full of people who are normal in his opinion then. High body fat and 0 muscle except for 1 athelete who failed drug test 3 times. Also I don't know where you get that information that chinese don't have any reports of alzheimer or diabetes. It looks like a huge troll post and I probably fell for it. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On December 08 2011 03:12 FungalLove wrote: Well, I feel my post got misunderstood. And now you pissed me off for real with your "I am better than you because I follow a new age diet" posts. It wasn't my intention to do any "vegan/vegetarian" propaganda. I have nothing against eating meats, or eggs. In fact I do so almost every day. My problem is this: "Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy." That is just plain stupid. Paleo diet? Wtf, we are not in the paleolithic anymore people. Red Herring, Straw man If you had to kill a cow every time you wanted a stake I'm pretty sure you wouldn't eat that much stake. Red Herring Same goes for birds. Go kill a chicken every time you want a chicken wing. Red Herring About grains: I mean, chinese people for example, they have been eating rice with their meals for thousands of years, and I don't see any study saying that their intestinal tract is fu**ed up. And they don't have any history of diabetes, alzheimer or any other disease named in the opening post. Ignoring a common cause, Appeal to common practice, Sorry but anthropology disagrees with you MOREOVER: I hadn't checked on the internet about this diet, but now that I did, you really can't expect me to take it seriously: First of all, the freaking diet has a TM next to it,Red Herring with its own flashy website. Red Herring Meaning someone is making a huge load of money from writing shit about this. Red Herring They even have books and DVDs showing you how to eat a freaking egg. Red Herring Second: look at this guy's face. This is the doctor that is supposedly giving us this wonderful diet? WTF, if I end up looking like him, I don't want anything to do with this diet. He simply looks like a retarded person, or a serial killer. There is no intelligence whatsoever behind his eyes. (If you cannot see this, maybe it's because you already look like him) Ad Hominem, Personal Attack (YES I took the liberty of screenshooting the website to show you his expression). Third: there are testimonials on the website? Like...really? Testimonials? One would think that in this age people would have already learned that anything with "testimonials" is just plain bullshit. Guilt by association This just looks to me as bullshit as Trascendental Meditation, which also has a freaking TM next to it, and supposedly makes you fly after 3 sessions or something. You want to learn how to meditate? Go and read any hindu text that has a thousand years or more, and you will learn how to meditate. Red Herring You want to learn how to eat properly? Read anything written a thousand years ago, it probably still applies, and you can be sure that they don't want to sell you anything. Appeal to Tradition Civilizations like the chinese didn't thrive for being ignorant. They had (still have but now they are almost as stupid as us westerners) knowledge of the workings of the body that doctors today are still trying to understand. And they eat freaking rice every freaking day!! Ignoring a common cause, appeal to common practice, Sorry but anthropology disagrees with you <3 Now you know why I can't take you seriously. You offer no research. And your post is full of logical fallacies. Also, I don't really have much against rice personally as it is one of a safer forms of starch. However, your post is a joke. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
But seriously, I don't understand the point he's trying to make. It's common sense that you are indeed eating healthier with paleo as you pack your stomach with foods high in nutritional value whereas rice and bread have little nutritional value per mass (or however you say it). And eshlow clearly advises everyone that they can always make minor adjustments to the diet, such as adding milk. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On December 08 2011 03:46 Orpheos wrote: lol eshlow's post. Now Im imagining some AI scanner that can go through internet forums and footnote arguments with fallacies. lol, both you and I thought the same thing when we saw the post. The funny thing is, actually, that I used to do that a lot when i was arguing on the Internet. But I got wise and stopped doing that because it takes a lot of time to do. Now I usually just don't care. But people arguing like this is totally ridiculous and people fall for it. If you offer me no counter research your post is pretty much full of crap. | ||
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FungalLove
Uruguay24 Posts
I can always tell I'm speaking to an ignorant person when they try to refute every little sentence in an argument. It is very childish indeed. You are supposed to read it with a sense of wholeness and common sense, both of which you do not have. You rather believe the words of a salesman with a degree than the words of thousands of years of experience of the entire human race. The dude is trying to sell, mate. He puts himself behind a phd and can say whatever he wants because of it. Forgive me for using my common sense/sense of tradition, but anything that has been working for thousands of years will not get debunked by some book selling prick with a website. And about the "studies" that you so proudly name, well, I can offer the example of doctor Freeman. (RED HERRING) He performed hundreds of lobotomies back in the 40's and 50's. Yeah, back then they also had "studies" that "proved" that lobotomy was a great practice, and they also had "testimonials" from lobotomized people saying how great it was. To this day doctors hold him as a great researcher, blablablabla..... In reality the man was a butcher who ruined hundreds of lives experimenting with the human brain. Anyone can write an essay saying that grains are shit or whatever and then put it on the internet. If it was actually true then the whole scientific community would agree and we would have heard about it already. But no, you only hear it on some obscure circles AND on Mr. PhD's website. Grow up Spock, all that logic will get you nowhere in the real world. Learn to use your common sense or you will get pulled by anything that "sounds" logical. <3 User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:24 FungalLove wrote: The dude is trying to sell, mate. I don't really care if you think the paleo diet is retarded or anything like that, you're entitled to that opinion, but this sentence is pretty damn stupid. You know, the exact reason the main nutrition/health company (dunno name since I'm swedish) hasn't banned sugar and things like that is because they have sugar in fucking everything so they make ridiculous amounts of money. There's grains in almost everything aswell so the food companies would lose vast amounts of money if they said grains is bad for you. So guess what, they do everything in their power to make it seem like it isn't. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:24 FungalLove wrote: If it was actually true then the whole scientific community would agree and we would have heard about it already. If only the world really worked that way. =/ | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:24 FungalLove wrote: Grow up Spock, all that logic will get you nowhere in the real world. Learn to use your common sense or you will get pulled by anything that "sounds" logical. You'd be a great scientist for sure... | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On December 20 2011 06:05 purecarnagge wrote: Steamer bags of Broccoli is fine right? I was wondering if there was any difference in nutritional value. The shopping list states just a few lbs of it... If it's broccoli it's broccoli.. | ||
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goose114
United States7 Posts
The videos linked in the OP, Big Fat Fiasco, were the precursor to the documentary Fat Head, which is available on Netflix and Hulu, and expands upon the research presented in the YouTube videos. There is also a blog at http://www.fathead-movie.com that is updated pretty regularly with interesting material. I saw someone else mentioned Gary Taubes in the thread. His books are well regarded, but I haven't read them; however, I do read some of the things he publishes online at http://garytaubes.com. Finally, this lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig goes into very in-depth and well-researched detail about the damage caused by sugar. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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