After eating like this for a while and Atkins in the past (also high in egg intake) I got myself intolerant to eggs now. Never had a problem with them in the past, but can't handle them anymore. If they come in a dish prepared from the oven it seems less bad but oh my if i eat a medium boiled egg (my favourite!) hell breaks loose.
On December 21 2011 20:53 Liquid`Meat wrote: After eating like this for a while and Atkins in the past (also high in egg intake) I got myself intolerant to eggs now. Never had a problem with them in the past, but can't handle them anymore. If they come in a dish prepared from the oven it seems less bad but oh my if i eat a medium boiled egg (my favourite!) hell breaks loose.
That sucks. Stay off them for a while, sometimes allergies are transient.
But stuff like this does happen which is kinda weird with the hyperactive immune system
After stuffing myself with bad carbs for 3 weeks back to eating awesome food. Yay. I really wouldn't have thought it but I can't stand pasta anymore, at all. And I used to eat nothing but in Uni.
On January 10 2012 10:15 zatic wrote: After stuffing myself with bad carbs for 3 weeks back to eating awesome food. Yay. I really wouldn't have thought it but I can't stand pasta anymore, at all. And I used to eat nothing but in Uni.
I have not been following as paleo a diet as I would like. Travelling and money concerns have made it tough on me in the past few months so I've been stuck on a "eat whatever is given to me" type of mentality LoL. The only good-(ish) thing I guess is that I've actually been eating less calories as a result. But I NEED to increase my caloric intake now by almost double and I need to start doing it cleanly. Now that I'm settled down I've started to do a ton of physical activities every day.
Does anyone have any good sites or blogs for paleo on a budget? I've been doing 1/2 GOMAD (my gut can't handle a full gallon) for the cheap calories but I realize this isn't paleo. I'd like to fill out the rest of my diet with nothing but MEAT and VEGGIES once again.
On February 07 2012 02:39 MajinMojo wrote: I have not been following as paleo a diet as I would like. Travelling and money concerns have made it tough on me in the past few months so I've been stuck on a "eat whatever is given to me" type of mentality LoL. The only good-(ish) thing I guess is that I've actually been eating less calories as a result. But I NEED to increase my caloric intake now by almost double and I need to start doing it cleanly. Now that I'm settled down I've started to do a ton of physical activities every day.
Does anyone have any good sites or blogs for paleo on a budget? I've been doing 1/2 GOMAD (my gut can't handle a full gallon) for the cheap calories but I realize this isn't paleo. I'd like to fill out the rest of my diet with nothing but MEAT and VEGGIES once again.
Just saw this on a blog I follow and laughed out loud. At the same time, it's a decent resource for any of your friends who might be trying a 30 day challenge but can't remember what they should be eating.
Just saw this on a blog I follow and laughed out loud. At the same time, it's a decent resource for any of your friends who might be trying a 30 day challenge but can't remember what they should be eating.
lol, that came out of a whiteboard pick on facebook about a month ago
On September 06 2011 00:48 eshlow wrote: Why Paleo?
The nutritional guidelines that many people from the previous TL Health and Fitness thread recommend is the Paleolithic diet.
Despite what you may have heard about the Paleo diet, it is neither low carbohydrate or high carbohydrate. It can be either depending on how many carbohydrates you eat from fruits and vegetables.
Instead, the Paleo diet focuses specifically on inclusion of high quality and nutrient rich foods upon which we evolved: fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, meat, birds, fish, eggs.
Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy.
As an aside my personal opinion is that dairy is fine as long as you are not lactose intolerant.
Grains and legumes are touted by the government as healthy even though there is little evidence supporting these statements especially regarding fiber and nutrients as fruits and vegetables provide more of each and are healthier. Many people have heard of Celiac's disease which is characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract due to gluten, a protein in wheat and many other grains.
It was thought that in the absence of Celiac's there seemed to be little evidence to the detrimental effect of grains. However, that is changing as recent research into suggests that gluten sensitivity may exist in upwards of 2/3rds of the population. Another. In particular, gliadin protein seems to specifically stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against transglutaminase which is a protein in all cells within the body.
Thus, grains may contribute to the pathogenesis of many of the so-called disease of civilizations which include:
1. neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and the severity of Huntington's 2. Cardiovascular disease which includes heart disease, atherosclerosis, peripheral vascular disease, stroke 3. Pulmonary disease asthma, COPD, etc. 4. Metabolic disease which includes diabetes 1 and 2, metabolic syndrome, osteoporosis 5. Gastrointestinal disease such as Celiac's, Crohn's, IBS, Colitis, etc. 6. Organ issues such as kidney, liver, etc. 7. Autoimmune such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, ALS, SLE, dermatitis, etc. 8. And others such as cancer, depression, obesity, acne, etc.
Doc who "cured" her 2nd degree multiple sclerosis: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc
There are several other factors involved in the pathogenesis of many of these diseases that can be obtained from diet besides (1) gluten/grains such as (2) excessive amounts of carbohydrates especially fructose, (3) excessive intake of omega 6 oils throwing off O6:O3 balance, and (4) trans fats.
These 4 dietary factors comprise most of the problems with the modern diet.
Additionally, there are other factors to consider beyond diet:
1. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives). 2. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation. 3. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things). 4. Lack of vitamin D (potent anti-inflammatory, immune system modulator, etc.)
On December 21 2011 10:38 goose114 wrote: I just wanted to offer up a few of things that you might find interesting that I didn't see mentioned in the OP.
The videos linked in the OP, Big Fat Fiasco, were the precursor to the documentary Fat Head, which is available on Netflix and Hulu, and expands upon the research presented in the YouTube videos. There is also a blog at http://www.fathead-movie.com that is updated pretty regularly with interesting material.
I saw someone else mentioned Gary Taubes in the thread. His books are well regarded, but I haven't read them; however, I do read some of the things he publishes online at http://garytaubes.com.
Finally, this lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig goes into very in-depth and well-researched detail about the damage caused by sugar.
Paleo for those with diseases, the athletes, and the healthy
As stated before, Paleo is a QUALITY OF FOODS diet. It is neither low carb or high carb; it can be either depending on what the health issues someone is having and/or the activities that they under take.
The plant to animal ratios of our ancesters and studies on hunter gatherers suggest "the animal-derived calorie percentage ranges from 25% in the Gwi people of southern Africa, to 99% in Alaskan Nunamiut. [...] The mean diet among modern hunter-gatherer societies is estimated to consist of 64–68% of animal calories and 32–36% of plant calories."
In general, low carbohydrate or ketogenis type diets tend to very strongly influence weight loss and improve various diseases. They also have a strong neuroprotective effect because ketone bodies can be used as energy in the brain in the absence of glucose because of systemic insulin resistance.
1. In regards to obesity/overweight to get the quickest/best results, it is recommended to go on a lower carbohydrate diet (typically <125g of carbohydrates from any source) per day and get the rest of calories from protein, animal fats, or coconut/avocadoes/nuts.
2. In regards to athletes, the carbohydrate level can be increased through greater consumption of dietary carbohydrates in fruits, vegetables.
3. In regards to healthy living in otherwise disease free individuals -- low or no carbohydrate diets are not recommended. This is covered in depth with analysis in this post if you want to know the reasons why.
Typical hunter gatherer carbohydrate sources ranged from about 22-40% of total energy intake. On a 2,000 calorie diet, this is 440 - 800 calories from carbs which is 110-200g of carbs a day. It's even noted in populations where if they didn't have any type of starch sources such as potatoes that even if they had meats they would say they were starving.
See this post by Kurt Harris for more details on some of the recommendations above (independently came to it seems as well).
On October 20 2011 06:44 flare8 wrote: I've got a big collection/overview of scientific studies (and some anthropology) about health and disease. Much of it is inspired by 'paleo' writers, or people close such as weston price etc. Please have a look if you're technically minded:
>> Logging your food is one of the better ways analyze the quality and quantity of your nutrition.
If you are having a hard time gaining or losing weight in particular, or poor health and looking to eat healthier then doing this is a very good idea. It doesn't matter when you eat so much as what you eat.
Woah woah woah I have to stop you at EVOLVED. Have you looked at the current state of humanity? We can't even provide the basics of food, water and shelter for our whole population. What kind of an evolution is that? We made a few gadgets and made it to the moon and all of a sudden we evolved?
On September 06 2011 00:48 eshlow wrote: Why Paleo?
The nutritional guidelines that many people from the previous TL Health and Fitness thread recommend is the Paleolithic diet.
Despite what you may have heard about the Paleo diet, it is neither low carbohydrate or high carbohydrate. It can be either depending on how many carbohydrates you eat from fruits and vegetables.
Instead, the Paleo diet focuses specifically on inclusion of high quality and nutrient rich foods upon which we evolved: fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, meat, birds, fish, eggs.
Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy.
As an aside my personal opinion is that dairy is fine as long as you are not lactose intolerant.
Grains and legumes are touted by the government as healthy even though there is little evidence supporting these statements especially regarding fiber and nutrients as fruits and vegetables provide more of each and are healthier. Many people have heard of Celiac's disease which is characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract due to gluten, a protein in wheat and many other grains.
It was thought that in the absence of Celiac's there seemed to be little evidence to the detrimental effect of grains. However, that is changing as recent research into suggests that gluten sensitivity may exist in upwards of 2/3rds of the population. Another. In particular, gliadin protein seems to specifically stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against transglutaminase which is a protein in all cells within the body.
Thus, grains may contribute to the pathogenesis of many of the so-called disease of civilizations which include:
1. neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and the severity of Huntington's 2. Cardiovascular disease which includes heart disease, atherosclerosis, peripheral vascular disease, stroke 3. Pulmonary disease asthma, COPD, etc. 4. Metabolic disease which includes diabetes 1 and 2, metabolic syndrome, osteoporosis 5. Gastrointestinal disease such as Celiac's, Crohn's, IBS, Colitis, etc. 6. Organ issues such as kidney, liver, etc. 7. Autoimmune such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, ALS, SLE, dermatitis, etc. 8. And others such as cancer, depression, obesity, acne, etc.
Doc who "cured" her 2nd degree multiple sclerosis: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc
There are several other factors involved in the pathogenesis of many of these diseases that can be obtained from diet besides (1) gluten/grains such as (2) excessive amounts of carbohydrates especially fructose, (3) excessive intake of omega 6 oils throwing off O6:O3 balance, and (4) trans fats.
These 4 dietary factors comprise most of the problems with the modern diet.
Additionally, there are other factors to consider beyond diet:
1. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives). 2. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation. 3. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things). 4. Lack of vitamin D (potent anti-inflammatory, immune system modulator, etc.)
On December 21 2011 10:38 goose114 wrote: I just wanted to offer up a few of things that you might find interesting that I didn't see mentioned in the OP.
The videos linked in the OP, Big Fat Fiasco, were the precursor to the documentary Fat Head, which is available on Netflix and Hulu, and expands upon the research presented in the YouTube videos. There is also a blog at http://www.fathead-movie.com that is updated pretty regularly with interesting material.
I saw someone else mentioned Gary Taubes in the thread. His books are well regarded, but I haven't read them; however, I do read some of the things he publishes online at http://garytaubes.com.
Finally, this lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig goes into very in-depth and well-researched detail about the damage caused by sugar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Paleo for those with diseases, the athletes, and the healthy
As stated before, Paleo is a QUALITY OF FOODS diet. It is neither low carb or high carb; it can be either depending on what the health issues someone is having and/or the activities that they under take.
The plant to animal ratios of our ancesters and studies on hunter gatherers suggest "the animal-derived calorie percentage ranges from 25% in the Gwi people of southern Africa, to 99% in Alaskan Nunamiut. [...] The mean diet among modern hunter-gatherer societies is estimated to consist of 64–68% of animal calories and 32–36% of plant calories."
In general, low carbohydrate or ketogenis type diets tend to very strongly influence weight loss and improve various diseases. They also have a strong neuroprotective effect because ketone bodies can be used as energy in the brain in the absence of glucose because of systemic insulin resistance.
1. In regards to obesity/overweight to get the quickest/best results, it is recommended to go on a lower carbohydrate diet (typically <125g of carbohydrates from any source) per day and get the rest of calories from protein, animal fats, or coconut/avocadoes/nuts.
2. In regards to athletes, the carbohydrate level can be increased through greater consumption of dietary carbohydrates in fruits, vegetables.
3. In regards to healthy living in otherwise disease free individuals -- low or no carbohydrate diets are not recommended. This is covered in depth with analysis in this post if you want to know the reasons why.
Typical hunter gatherer carbohydrate sources ranged from about 22-40% of total energy intake. On a 2,000 calorie diet, this is 440 - 800 calories from carbs which is 110-200g of carbs a day. It's even noted in populations where if they didn't have any type of starch sources such as potatoes that even if they had meats they would say they were starving.
See this post by Kurt Harris for more details on some of the recommendations above (independently came to it seems as well).
On October 20 2011 06:44 flare8 wrote: I've got a big collection/overview of scientific studies (and some anthropology) about health and disease. Much of it is inspired by 'paleo' writers, or people close such as weston price etc. Please have a look if you're technically minded:
>> Logging your food is one of the better ways analyze the quality and quantity of your nutrition.
If you are having a hard time gaining or losing weight in particular, or poor health and looking to eat healthier then doing this is a very good idea. It doesn't matter when you eat so much as what you eat.
Woah woah woah I have to stop you at EVOLVED. Have you looked at the current state of humanity? We can't even provide the basics of food, water and shelter for our whole population. What kind of an evolution is that? We made a few gadgets and made it to the moon and all of a sudden we evolved?
On September 06 2011 00:48 eshlow wrote: Why Paleo?
The nutritional guidelines that many people from the previous TL Health and Fitness thread recommend is the Paleolithic diet.
Despite what you may have heard about the Paleo diet, it is neither low carbohydrate or high carbohydrate. It can be either depending on how many carbohydrates you eat from fruits and vegetables.
Instead, the Paleo diet focuses specifically on inclusion of high quality and nutrient rich foods upon which we evolved: fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, meat, birds, fish, eggs.
Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy.
As an aside my personal opinion is that dairy is fine as long as you are not lactose intolerant.
Grains and legumes are touted by the government as healthy even though there is little evidence supporting these statements especially regarding fiber and nutrients as fruits and vegetables provide more of each and are healthier. Many people have heard of Celiac's disease which is characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract due to gluten, a protein in wheat and many other grains.
It was thought that in the absence of Celiac's there seemed to be little evidence to the detrimental effect of grains. However, that is changing as recent research into suggests that gluten sensitivity may exist in upwards of 2/3rds of the population. Another. In particular, gliadin protein seems to specifically stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against transglutaminase which is a protein in all cells within the body.
Thus, grains may contribute to the pathogenesis of many of the so-called disease of civilizations which include:
1. neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and the severity of Huntington's 2. Cardiovascular disease which includes heart disease, atherosclerosis, peripheral vascular disease, stroke 3. Pulmonary disease asthma, COPD, etc. 4. Metabolic disease which includes diabetes 1 and 2, metabolic syndrome, osteoporosis 5. Gastrointestinal disease such as Celiac's, Crohn's, IBS, Colitis, etc. 6. Organ issues such as kidney, liver, etc. 7. Autoimmune such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, ALS, SLE, dermatitis, etc. 8. And others such as cancer, depression, obesity, acne, etc.
Doc who "cured" her 2nd degree multiple sclerosis: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc
There are several other factors involved in the pathogenesis of many of these diseases that can be obtained from diet besides (1) gluten/grains such as (2) excessive amounts of carbohydrates especially fructose, (3) excessive intake of omega 6 oils throwing off O6:O3 balance, and (4) trans fats.
These 4 dietary factors comprise most of the problems with the modern diet.
Additionally, there are other factors to consider beyond diet:
1. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives). 2. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation. 3. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things). 4. Lack of vitamin D (potent anti-inflammatory, immune system modulator, etc.)
On December 21 2011 10:38 goose114 wrote: I just wanted to offer up a few of things that you might find interesting that I didn't see mentioned in the OP.
The videos linked in the OP, Big Fat Fiasco, were the precursor to the documentary Fat Head, which is available on Netflix and Hulu, and expands upon the research presented in the YouTube videos. There is also a blog at http://www.fathead-movie.com that is updated pretty regularly with interesting material.
I saw someone else mentioned Gary Taubes in the thread. His books are well regarded, but I haven't read them; however, I do read some of the things he publishes online at http://garytaubes.com.
Finally, this lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig goes into very in-depth and well-researched detail about the damage caused by sugar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Paleo for those with diseases, the athletes, and the healthy
As stated before, Paleo is a QUALITY OF FOODS diet. It is neither low carb or high carb; it can be either depending on what the health issues someone is having and/or the activities that they under take.
The plant to animal ratios of our ancesters and studies on hunter gatherers suggest "the animal-derived calorie percentage ranges from 25% in the Gwi people of southern Africa, to 99% in Alaskan Nunamiut. [...] The mean diet among modern hunter-gatherer societies is estimated to consist of 64–68% of animal calories and 32–36% of plant calories."
In general, low carbohydrate or ketogenis type diets tend to very strongly influence weight loss and improve various diseases. They also have a strong neuroprotective effect because ketone bodies can be used as energy in the brain in the absence of glucose because of systemic insulin resistance.
1. In regards to obesity/overweight to get the quickest/best results, it is recommended to go on a lower carbohydrate diet (typically <125g of carbohydrates from any source) per day and get the rest of calories from protein, animal fats, or coconut/avocadoes/nuts.
2. In regards to athletes, the carbohydrate level can be increased through greater consumption of dietary carbohydrates in fruits, vegetables.
3. In regards to healthy living in otherwise disease free individuals -- low or no carbohydrate diets are not recommended. This is covered in depth with analysis in this post if you want to know the reasons why.
Typical hunter gatherer carbohydrate sources ranged from about 22-40% of total energy intake. On a 2,000 calorie diet, this is 440 - 800 calories from carbs which is 110-200g of carbs a day. It's even noted in populations where if they didn't have any type of starch sources such as potatoes that even if they had meats they would say they were starving.
See this post by Kurt Harris for more details on some of the recommendations above (independently came to it seems as well).
On October 20 2011 06:44 flare8 wrote: I've got a big collection/overview of scientific studies (and some anthropology) about health and disease. Much of it is inspired by 'paleo' writers, or people close such as weston price etc. Please have a look if you're technically minded:
>> Logging your food is one of the better ways analyze the quality and quantity of your nutrition.
If you are having a hard time gaining or losing weight in particular, or poor health and looking to eat healthier then doing this is a very good idea. It doesn't matter when you eat so much as what you eat.
Woah woah woah I have to stop you at EVOLVED. Have you looked at the current state of humanity? We can't even provide the basics of food, water and shelter for our whole population. What kind of an evolution is that? We made a few gadgets and made it to the moon and all of a sudden we evolved?
On September 06 2011 00:48 eshlow wrote: Why Paleo?
The nutritional guidelines that many people from the previous TL Health and Fitness thread recommend is the Paleolithic diet.
Despite what you may have heard about the Paleo diet, it is neither low carbohydrate or high carbohydrate. It can be either depending on how many carbohydrates you eat from fruits and vegetables.
Instead, the Paleo diet focuses specifically on inclusion of high quality and nutrient rich foods upon which we evolved: fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, meat, birds, fish, eggs.
Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy.
As an aside my personal opinion is that dairy is fine as long as you are not lactose intolerant.
Grains and legumes are touted by the government as healthy even though there is little evidence supporting these statements especially regarding fiber and nutrients as fruits and vegetables provide more of each and are healthier. Many people have heard of Celiac's disease which is characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract due to gluten, a protein in wheat and many other grains.
It was thought that in the absence of Celiac's there seemed to be little evidence to the detrimental effect of grains. However, that is changing as recent research into suggests that gluten sensitivity may exist in upwards of 2/3rds of the population. Another. In particular, gliadin protein seems to specifically stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against transglutaminase which is a protein in all cells within the body.
Thus, grains may contribute to the pathogenesis of many of the so-called disease of civilizations which include:
1. neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and the severity of Huntington's 2. Cardiovascular disease which includes heart disease, atherosclerosis, peripheral vascular disease, stroke 3. Pulmonary disease asthma, COPD, etc. 4. Metabolic disease which includes diabetes 1 and 2, metabolic syndrome, osteoporosis 5. Gastrointestinal disease such as Celiac's, Crohn's, IBS, Colitis, etc. 6. Organ issues such as kidney, liver, etc. 7. Autoimmune such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, ALS, SLE, dermatitis, etc. 8. And others such as cancer, depression, obesity, acne, etc.
Doc who "cured" her 2nd degree multiple sclerosis: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc
There are several other factors involved in the pathogenesis of many of these diseases that can be obtained from diet besides (1) gluten/grains such as (2) excessive amounts of carbohydrates especially fructose, (3) excessive intake of omega 6 oils throwing off O6:O3 balance, and (4) trans fats.
These 4 dietary factors comprise most of the problems with the modern diet.
Additionally, there are other factors to consider beyond diet:
1. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives). 2. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation. 3. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things). 4. Lack of vitamin D (potent anti-inflammatory, immune system modulator, etc.)
On December 21 2011 10:38 goose114 wrote: I just wanted to offer up a few of things that you might find interesting that I didn't see mentioned in the OP.
The videos linked in the OP, Big Fat Fiasco, were the precursor to the documentary Fat Head, which is available on Netflix and Hulu, and expands upon the research presented in the YouTube videos. There is also a blog at http://www.fathead-movie.com that is updated pretty regularly with interesting material.
I saw someone else mentioned Gary Taubes in the thread. His books are well regarded, but I haven't read them; however, I do read some of the things he publishes online at http://garytaubes.com.
Finally, this lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig goes into very in-depth and well-researched detail about the damage caused by sugar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Paleo for those with diseases, the athletes, and the healthy
As stated before, Paleo is a QUALITY OF FOODS diet. It is neither low carb or high carb; it can be either depending on what the health issues someone is having and/or the activities that they under take.
The plant to animal ratios of our ancesters and studies on hunter gatherers suggest "the animal-derived calorie percentage ranges from 25% in the Gwi people of southern Africa, to 99% in Alaskan Nunamiut. [...] The mean diet among modern hunter-gatherer societies is estimated to consist of 64–68% of animal calories and 32–36% of plant calories."
In general, low carbohydrate or ketogenis type diets tend to very strongly influence weight loss and improve various diseases. They also have a strong neuroprotective effect because ketone bodies can be used as energy in the brain in the absence of glucose because of systemic insulin resistance.
1. In regards to obesity/overweight to get the quickest/best results, it is recommended to go on a lower carbohydrate diet (typically <125g of carbohydrates from any source) per day and get the rest of calories from protein, animal fats, or coconut/avocadoes/nuts.
2. In regards to athletes, the carbohydrate level can be increased through greater consumption of dietary carbohydrates in fruits, vegetables.
3. In regards to healthy living in otherwise disease free individuals -- low or no carbohydrate diets are not recommended. This is covered in depth with analysis in this post if you want to know the reasons why.
Typical hunter gatherer carbohydrate sources ranged from about 22-40% of total energy intake. On a 2,000 calorie diet, this is 440 - 800 calories from carbs which is 110-200g of carbs a day. It's even noted in populations where if they didn't have any type of starch sources such as potatoes that even if they had meats they would say they were starving.
See this post by Kurt Harris for more details on some of the recommendations above (independently came to it seems as well).
On October 20 2011 06:44 flare8 wrote: I've got a big collection/overview of scientific studies (and some anthropology) about health and disease. Much of it is inspired by 'paleo' writers, or people close such as weston price etc. Please have a look if you're technically minded:
>> Logging your food is one of the better ways analyze the quality and quantity of your nutrition.
If you are having a hard time gaining or losing weight in particular, or poor health and looking to eat healthier then doing this is a very good idea. It doesn't matter when you eat so much as what you eat.
Woah woah woah I have to stop you at EVOLVED. Have you looked at the current state of humanity? We can't even provide the basics of food, water and shelter for our whole population. What kind of an evolution is that? We made a few gadgets and made it to the moon and all of a sudden we evolved?
Stop trolling.
I am not trolling, there is no evidence of this evolution you are talking about.
On September 06 2011 00:48 eshlow wrote: Why Paleo?
The nutritional guidelines that many people from the previous TL Health and Fitness thread recommend is the Paleolithic diet.
Despite what you may have heard about the Paleo diet, it is neither low carbohydrate or high carbohydrate. It can be either depending on how many carbohydrates you eat from fruits and vegetables.
Instead, the Paleo diet focuses specifically on inclusion of high quality and nutrient rich foods upon which we evolved: fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, meat, birds, fish, eggs.
Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy.
As an aside my personal opinion is that dairy is fine as long as you are not lactose intolerant.
Grains and legumes are touted by the government as healthy even though there is little evidence supporting these statements especially regarding fiber and nutrients as fruits and vegetables provide more of each and are healthier. Many people have heard of Celiac's disease which is characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract due to gluten, a protein in wheat and many other grains.
It was thought that in the absence of Celiac's there seemed to be little evidence to the detrimental effect of grains. However, that is changing as recent research into suggests that gluten sensitivity may exist in upwards of 2/3rds of the population. Another. In particular, gliadin protein seems to specifically stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against transglutaminase which is a protein in all cells within the body.
Thus, grains may contribute to the pathogenesis of many of the so-called disease of civilizations which include:
1. neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and the severity of Huntington's 2. Cardiovascular disease which includes heart disease, atherosclerosis, peripheral vascular disease, stroke 3. Pulmonary disease asthma, COPD, etc. 4. Metabolic disease which includes diabetes 1 and 2, metabolic syndrome, osteoporosis 5. Gastrointestinal disease such as Celiac's, Crohn's, IBS, Colitis, etc. 6. Organ issues such as kidney, liver, etc. 7. Autoimmune such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, ALS, SLE, dermatitis, etc. 8. And others such as cancer, depression, obesity, acne, etc.
Doc who "cured" her 2nd degree multiple sclerosis: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc
There are several other factors involved in the pathogenesis of many of these diseases that can be obtained from diet besides (1) gluten/grains such as (2) excessive amounts of carbohydrates especially fructose, (3) excessive intake of omega 6 oils throwing off O6:O3 balance, and (4) trans fats.
These 4 dietary factors comprise most of the problems with the modern diet.
Additionally, there are other factors to consider beyond diet:
1. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives). 2. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation. 3. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things). 4. Lack of vitamin D (potent anti-inflammatory, immune system modulator, etc.)
On December 21 2011 10:38 goose114 wrote: I just wanted to offer up a few of things that you might find interesting that I didn't see mentioned in the OP.
The videos linked in the OP, Big Fat Fiasco, were the precursor to the documentary Fat Head, which is available on Netflix and Hulu, and expands upon the research presented in the YouTube videos. There is also a blog at http://www.fathead-movie.com that is updated pretty regularly with interesting material.
I saw someone else mentioned Gary Taubes in the thread. His books are well regarded, but I haven't read them; however, I do read some of the things he publishes online at http://garytaubes.com.
Finally, this lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig goes into very in-depth and well-researched detail about the damage caused by sugar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Paleo for those with diseases, the athletes, and the healthy
As stated before, Paleo is a QUALITY OF FOODS diet. It is neither low carb or high carb; it can be either depending on what the health issues someone is having and/or the activities that they under take.
The plant to animal ratios of our ancesters and studies on hunter gatherers suggest "the animal-derived calorie percentage ranges from 25% in the Gwi people of southern Africa, to 99% in Alaskan Nunamiut. [...] The mean diet among modern hunter-gatherer societies is estimated to consist of 64–68% of animal calories and 32–36% of plant calories."
In general, low carbohydrate or ketogenis type diets tend to very strongly influence weight loss and improve various diseases. They also have a strong neuroprotective effect because ketone bodies can be used as energy in the brain in the absence of glucose because of systemic insulin resistance.
1. In regards to obesity/overweight to get the quickest/best results, it is recommended to go on a lower carbohydrate diet (typically <125g of carbohydrates from any source) per day and get the rest of calories from protein, animal fats, or coconut/avocadoes/nuts.
2. In regards to athletes, the carbohydrate level can be increased through greater consumption of dietary carbohydrates in fruits, vegetables.
3. In regards to healthy living in otherwise disease free individuals -- low or no carbohydrate diets are not recommended. This is covered in depth with analysis in this post if you want to know the reasons why.
Typical hunter gatherer carbohydrate sources ranged from about 22-40% of total energy intake. On a 2,000 calorie diet, this is 440 - 800 calories from carbs which is 110-200g of carbs a day. It's even noted in populations where if they didn't have any type of starch sources such as potatoes that even if they had meats they would say they were starving.
See this post by Kurt Harris for more details on some of the recommendations above (independently came to it seems as well).
On October 20 2011 06:44 flare8 wrote: I've got a big collection/overview of scientific studies (and some anthropology) about health and disease. Much of it is inspired by 'paleo' writers, or people close such as weston price etc. Please have a look if you're technically minded:
>> Logging your food is one of the better ways analyze the quality and quantity of your nutrition.
If you are having a hard time gaining or losing weight in particular, or poor health and looking to eat healthier then doing this is a very good idea. It doesn't matter when you eat so much as what you eat.
Woah woah woah I have to stop you at EVOLVED. Have you looked at the current state of humanity? We can't even provide the basics of food, water and shelter for our whole population. What kind of an evolution is that? We made a few gadgets and made it to the moon and all of a sudden we evolved?
Stop trolling.
I am not trolling, there is no evidence of this evolution you are talking about.
I have this sinking feeling that this isn't going to end well...
Aside from taking the thread into a mostly irrelevant tangent, the logic smack down leveled by Eshlow in the last few pages should have been a pretty big warning sign against stupid arguments.
Are sweet potatoes much different in taste than yams (taste-wise, nutritionally)? I've been eating yams, thinking they were sweet potatoes, and everyone paleo talks about sweet potatoes, and I haven't heard yams even mentioned.
Yams and sweet potatoes are a different species of tuber. Not related at all. I do know that sweet potatoes are considered very healthy and even topped the list of "most nutritious"(although I disagree with their methodology).
EPT
