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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:09 Ahzz wrote:
Alright, thanks a lot for the help, I'll be sure to check SS out.
Yeah I guess now that I think about it, 80 pushups and such are simply endurance and its a bit of a silly goal, and is there only to brag. At the end of the day, I want to feel stronger, build muscle and be able to to control my body the way I wish, and those things do not necessarily mean that. I'll be checking this out for sure. I'm really excited that I might have something somewhat reliable to work out with, instead of going off with a random program I got from google.
Also, I'm sure this has been more or less answered in the stickies, but a quick question:
Recently I've been trying to eat a lot of healthy food along with working out, but are protein shakes necessary after training or so? As I mentioned, I'm a tad skinny (not bad, but I weigh less than I should for my height, so its all about gaining mass, and not so much fat burning, seeing how I probably dont have much fat to burn anyway). I'd prefer to stay all natural food and healthy, but I won't mind taking a simple protein shake that speeds recovery after working out or so.
Ahzz you used to play BW with Salv, right? Welcome to H&F forums 
It's not necessary to drink protein shakes but it helps with consuming more calories since drinking your calories are less filling than eating real, whole foods like steak and veggies on a per calorie basis.
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I have a quick question.
So I didn't eat very much today, maybe 1500cal, and I just came back from my workout, would it be beneficial to have a 2000~ calorie dinner or is it like a wasted day?
Thank you!
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On April 03 2012 13:25 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a quick question.
So I didn't eat very much today, maybe 1500cal, and I just came back from my workout, would it be beneficial to have a 2000~ calorie dinner or is it like a wasted day?
Thank you!
From what I've seen, calories are calories.
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On April 03 2012 13:43 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 13:25 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a quick question.
So I didn't eat very much today, maybe 1500cal, and I just came back from my workout, would it be beneficial to have a 2000~ calorie dinner or is it like a wasted day?
Thank you! From what I've seen, calories are calories.
Well I ate as much as I could, so I hope you're right.
The only reason I was wondering was because some people were saying how only 30g~ of protein can be absorbed at once, and of course eating more smaller meals throughout the day is healthier than a couple gigantic ones.
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On April 03 2012 14:17 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 13:43 Froadac wrote:On April 03 2012 13:25 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a quick question.
So I didn't eat very much today, maybe 1500cal, and I just came back from my workout, would it be beneficial to have a 2000~ calorie dinner or is it like a wasted day?
Thank you! From what I've seen, calories are calories. Well I ate as much as I could, so I hope you're right. The only reason I was wondering was because some people were saying how only 30g~ of protein can be absorbed at once, and of course eating more smaller meals throughout the day is healthier than a couple gigantic ones.
That's broscience right there.
If you want, you could eat one meal with all your calories for the day; you would be fine.
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On April 03 2012 09:52 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 07:09 Ahzz wrote:
Alright, thanks a lot for the help, I'll be sure to check SS out.
Yeah I guess now that I think about it, 80 pushups and such are simply endurance and its a bit of a silly goal, and is there only to brag. At the end of the day, I want to feel stronger, build muscle and be able to to control my body the way I wish, and those things do not necessarily mean that. I'll be checking this out for sure. I'm really excited that I might have something somewhat reliable to work out with, instead of going off with a random program I got from google.
Also, I'm sure this has been more or less answered in the stickies, but a quick question:
Recently I've been trying to eat a lot of healthy food along with working out, but are protein shakes necessary after training or so? As I mentioned, I'm a tad skinny (not bad, but I weigh less than I should for my height, so its all about gaining mass, and not so much fat burning, seeing how I probably dont have much fat to burn anyway). I'd prefer to stay all natural food and healthy, but I won't mind taking a simple protein shake that speeds recovery after working out or so. Ahzz you used to play BW with Salv, right? Welcome to H&F forums It's not necessary to drink protein shakes but it helps with consuming more calories since drinking your calories are less filling than eating real, whole foods like steak and veggies on a per calorie basis.
Indeed I did play BW with salv. I'm starting to get into sc2 only recently... It's cool how TL basically has expertise in nearly every matter out there. We got a serious computer experts in tech support, we got HF experts here and all. lol.
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Back is deteriorating. Cannot wait to have surgery :| Hopefully will be able to return once it gets fixed. Still doing basic PT stuff to prevent too much muscle loss, but SS is out of question atm  (
Any random below neck bodyweight exercise stuff that would be good?
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On April 03 2012 15:23 Froadac wrote:Back is deteriorating. Cannot wait to have surgery :| Hopefully will be able to return once it gets fixed. Still doing basic PT stuff to prevent too much muscle loss, but SS is out of question atm ( Any random below neck bodyweight exercise stuff that would be good?
I hear squats are good for you! :D
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On April 03 2012 15:35 RedJustice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:23 Froadac wrote:Back is deteriorating. Cannot wait to have surgery :| Hopefully will be able to return once it gets fixed. Still doing basic PT stuff to prevent too much muscle loss, but SS is out of question atm ( Any random below neck bodyweight exercise stuff that would be good? I hear squats are good for you! :D + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, I can't do it. Putting too much pressure on my spinal fusion :| Once it's fixed, I can do squats and it will be beneficial. But right now, isn't good at al..
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On April 03 2012 15:38 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:35 RedJustice wrote:On April 03 2012 15:23 Froadac wrote:Back is deteriorating. Cannot wait to have surgery :| Hopefully will be able to return once it gets fixed. Still doing basic PT stuff to prevent too much muscle loss, but SS is out of question atm ( Any random below neck bodyweight exercise stuff that would be good? I hear squats are good for you! :D + Show Spoiler + Yeah, I can't do it. Putting too much pressure on my spinal fusion :| Once it's fixed, I can do squats and it will be beneficial. But right now, isn't good at al..
Can you do leg lifts/flutter kicks? They're obviously not any kind of real lifting, but the Army was fond of using those as a semi-gentle lower body exercise. Mostly just strain on the abs and hips. They'll at least let you avoid that "can't exercise feel like shit" thing that can go on.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On April 03 2012 15:15 Ahzz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 09:52 infinity21 wrote:On April 03 2012 07:09 Ahzz wrote:
Alright, thanks a lot for the help, I'll be sure to check SS out.
Yeah I guess now that I think about it, 80 pushups and such are simply endurance and its a bit of a silly goal, and is there only to brag. At the end of the day, I want to feel stronger, build muscle and be able to to control my body the way I wish, and those things do not necessarily mean that. I'll be checking this out for sure. I'm really excited that I might have something somewhat reliable to work out with, instead of going off with a random program I got from google.
Also, I'm sure this has been more or less answered in the stickies, but a quick question:
Recently I've been trying to eat a lot of healthy food along with working out, but are protein shakes necessary after training or so? As I mentioned, I'm a tad skinny (not bad, but I weigh less than I should for my height, so its all about gaining mass, and not so much fat burning, seeing how I probably dont have much fat to burn anyway). I'd prefer to stay all natural food and healthy, but I won't mind taking a simple protein shake that speeds recovery after working out or so. Ahzz you used to play BW with Salv, right? Welcome to H&F forums It's not necessary to drink protein shakes but it helps with consuming more calories since drinking your calories are less filling than eating real, whole foods like steak and veggies on a per calorie basis. Indeed I did play BW with salv. I'm starting to get into sc2 only recently... It's cool how TL basically has expertise in nearly every matter out there. We got a serious computer experts in tech support, we got HF experts here and all. lol.
I don’t think we ever got to play together in BW but salv and suppy talked about you.
We have quite a few knowledgeable people in this forum so if you have any more questions, don’t hesitate to ask
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On April 03 2012 14:48 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:17 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:43 Froadac wrote:On April 03 2012 13:25 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a quick question.
So I didn't eat very much today, maybe 1500cal, and I just came back from my workout, would it be beneficial to have a 2000~ calorie dinner or is it like a wasted day?
Thank you! From what I've seen, calories are calories. Well I ate as much as I could, so I hope you're right. The only reason I was wondering was because some people were saying how only 30g~ of protein can be absorbed at once, and of course eating more smaller meals throughout the day is healthier than a couple gigantic ones. That's broscience right there. If you want, you could eat one meal with all your calories for the day; you would be fine.
You would not be fine. You should shit your brains out, or not be able to shit for around 3 days.
Not to mention what you would do to your digestion and insulin sensitivity.
Dont' do that.
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On April 04 2012 02:27 Flexx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:48 Release wrote:On April 03 2012 14:17 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:43 Froadac wrote:On April 03 2012 13:25 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a quick question.
So I didn't eat very much today, maybe 1500cal, and I just came back from my workout, would it be beneficial to have a 2000~ calorie dinner or is it like a wasted day?
Thank you! From what I've seen, calories are calories. Well I ate as much as I could, so I hope you're right. The only reason I was wondering was because some people were saying how only 30g~ of protein can be absorbed at once, and of course eating more smaller meals throughout the day is healthier than a couple gigantic ones. That's broscience right there. If you want, you could eat one meal with all your calories for the day; you would be fine. You would not be fine. You should shit your brains out, or not be able to shit for around 3 days. Not to mention what you would do to your digestion and insulin sensitivity. Dont' do that.
I believe it was more of an extreme example to convey meal timing and amounts don't matter all that much as long as you get the calories in. I don't think he's advocating one meal a day every day, but if you're in a situation where that was your only option, get the cals in. Otherwise eat as you normally do.
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On April 03 2012 07:09 Ahzz wrote:
At the end of the day, I want to feel stronger, build muscle and be able to to control my body the way I wish
Cleans are #1 for this for me. SS has power cleans in it's program, but says you can do rows instead. Unless you have absolutely no way to do cleans you should do them. As soon as I began getting comfortable with cleans I gain a ton more confidence in my body control and athleticism, and I have a long history of athletics.
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Alright, I've been researching on good form and what I should be doing... Starting this new program today. I'm really excited about this because this workout system should give actual strength and control, rather than puffy muscles that you do nothing with.
I found this workout plan on some SS FAQ, which I think I got a link to from some of the stickies here at TL. I think it looks fine?
+ Show Spoiler +For the first few weeks:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
Once the freshness of the deadlift has worn off a little and the deadlift is established well ahead of the squat, the power clean can be introduced:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
5x3 Power Clean
After the above is followed for a short time, chin-ups and pull-ups can be added along with back extensions or glute/ham raises for a break from pulling every workout:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift/5x3 Power Clean (alternating)
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
3x10 Back Extension
3xFailure(15 max)* Chin-ups/Pull-ups (alternating)
That seems about correct yes? I'm going to start lower than what I think I'd be able to do to ensure good form etc, and move up from there, as asked in the program.
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On April 04 2012 15:38 Ahzz wrote:Alright, I've been researching on good form and what I should be doing... Starting this new program today. I'm really excited about this because this workout system should give actual strength and control, rather than puffy muscles that you do nothing with. I found this workout plan on some SS FAQ, which I think I got a link to from some of the stickies here at TL. I think it looks fine? + Show Spoiler +For the first few weeks:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
Once the freshness of the deadlift has worn off a little and the deadlift is established well ahead of the squat, the power clean can be introduced:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
5x3 Power Clean
After the above is followed for a short time, chin-ups and pull-ups can be added along with back extensions or glute/ham raises for a break from pulling every workout:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift/5x3 Power Clean (alternating)
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
3x10 Back Extension
3xFailure(15 max)* Chin-ups/Pull-ups (alternating) That seems about correct yes? I'm going to start lower than what I think I'd be able to do to ensure good form etc, and move up from there, as asked in the program.
It looks pretty similar to SS except SS is 5x5 while this is 3x5, and if you're starting out, 5x5 is better as you aren't doing extremely high weight yet and your body can handle the volume because of it.
It looks like a good program goes ABA in week one then BAB in week two, but I'm curious why you don't just follow Starting Strength (SS) as it is written, it is proven to work, focused purely on muscle gain and lifting heavier weights (giving the muscles actual functionality). There's lots of information on it online, and most people here on the TLHF thread have started out with it and everyone has good results with it.
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Except that what you are talking about is SL, not SS. At least according to the advice what I got the previous page, SS is indeed 3x5.... and this was from a SS FAQ which I got the link to from here.
EDIT:
Oh right, I am not so concerned about this right now, but can I do cardio/running on off-days? I will try to do 3 days a week in the gym of course, but I'm wondering if I should simply dedicate my off days for rest alone, or should I be able to do cardio as long as I make sure that I eat enough and get plenty of calories?
My goal is to maintain my 3000m/12min which I have even though I gain musclemass, if at all possible, though I don't mind if I can't run for a while if I can just add it later.
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You can add running later when your body is adjusted to lifting. Shouldn't be a problem.
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If you follow that program you will be golden. I run maybe twice a week doing the same lifting schedule. Like glurio said you may want to hold off until you get an idea of your recovery time, which is important.
Great quote:
On March 29 2012 17:58 Zafrumi wrote:
... You dont get stronger by lifting weights. you get stronger by RECOVERING from lifting weights.
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On April 04 2012 16:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 15:38 Ahzz wrote:Alright, I've been researching on good form and what I should be doing... Starting this new program today. I'm really excited about this because this workout system should give actual strength and control, rather than puffy muscles that you do nothing with. I found this workout plan on some SS FAQ, which I think I got a link to from some of the stickies here at TL. I think it looks fine? + Show Spoiler +For the first few weeks:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
Once the freshness of the deadlift has worn off a little and the deadlift is established well ahead of the squat, the power clean can be introduced:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
5x3 Power Clean
After the above is followed for a short time, chin-ups and pull-ups can be added along with back extensions or glute/ham raises for a break from pulling every workout:
Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift/5x3 Power Clean (alternating)
Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
3x10 Back Extension
3xFailure(15 max)* Chin-ups/Pull-ups (alternating) That seems about correct yes? I'm going to start lower than what I think I'd be able to do to ensure good form etc, and move up from there, as asked in the program. It looks pretty similar to SS except SS is 5x5 while this is 3x5, and if you're starting out, 5x5 is better as you aren't doing extremely high weight yet and your body can handle the volume because of it. It looks like a good program goes ABA in week one then BAB in week two, but I'm curious why you don't just follow Starting Strength (SS) as it is written, it is proven to work, focused purely on muscle gain and lifting heavier weights (giving the muscles actual functionality). There's lots of information on it online, and most people here on the TLHF thread have started out with it and everyone has good results with it.
As far as I know, SS is 3x5 while SL is 5x5.
To Ahzz, that program looks good. Just make sure you don't stick with 2 sessions of deadlift for too long as it is really taxing and hard to recover from. The moment it starts getting difficult, switch over to power cleans. Also, as suggested, chin-ups and pull-ups are a nice addition to SS, although personally I would always put them at the end of the session so that they don't interfere with you bench or press.
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