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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 07 2011 14:37 GMT
#13381
Today's workout (eating properly again):

Squat 87.5kg 5-5-5 (ATG every rep)
Bench Press 66kg 5-5-5
Deadlift 115kg 1x5, kept my back nice and straight. Much better form already overall than about two weeks ago. Gonna progress like a boss.

In other news I convinced someone from Stats class to doing Hammer Strength routines to do Starting Strength (he saw some exercises in pumping iron and thought they looked kewl, but he didn't pick bench press or squats hurr durr).
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 07 2011 14:53 GMT
#13382
On November 06 2011 08:55 Release wrote:
what's cheap, common and contains calories mostly from protein?
my mom is stubborn, and always tries to give me as much fat and carbs as possible.


tins of fish? (tuna mackeral herring)
ive added that to my diet recently, i have

- tinned fish mashed with jacket potatoe/s & tinned sweetcorn
- tinned fish out of the tin (takes like 1 minute to consume :D )
- any other ideas go here? :D

they are like 15-20g of protein in a tin (check you dont confuse the drained weight with the tin weight, can be misleading sometimes)
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 07 2011 15:43 GMT
#13383
On November 07 2011 11:58 APurpleCow wrote:
What are some stretches I can do that'll allow me to get deeper on squats?


your ankle, calf and hamstring flexibility
try 1-legged third-world squats (as someone called them) with your other leg dragging out behind you and focus on getting your foot pointing forwards and flat on the ground. or something like that anyway
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 07 2011 21:39 GMT
#13384
Oh god, my lower back is so dead. I did 3 reps and knew I was not going to finish 3x5.

Any tips on how to help lower back recovery? I have a foam roller but my hip bone/spine seems to get in the way and it doesn't seem to do much. Maybe I'm doing the exercises wrong?

On a positive note, I failed both my press and deadlift but went back after and got all 5 reps up
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 07 2011 21:41 GMT
#13385
Skipped regular deadlifts today in favour of deadlifts from a platform and rack pulls.

The elevated deads are a pain in the arse but was quite happy with 170kg x 3. But the rack pulls were another story. Managed to get 200kg x 2 and 220kg x 2 quite easily and finished it with 240kg x 1 !

Oh my is it good to be back on track!
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 22:17:45
November 07 2011 22:16 GMT
#13386
I feel trolled by this vid. Hopefully I'll surpass her in 3 weeks.

Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
November 07 2011 23:56 GMT
#13387
On November 05 2011 22:29 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 13:31 Eufouria wrote:
Couple of questions. I've been going to the gym, fairly seriously for the last month but these are some things I've been wondering for a while.

1) Thus far I've done nothing special with my diet, except eating more and drinking a lot of full fat milk, but now I'm planning to get some supplements. What I'm wondering is if I should be buying individual supplements, or get one of those all in one sort of things. Logic is telling me it would be cheaper and better to get the individual supplements, but I just wanted to check here if that's right.

2) I work from afternoon to late at night on the days I go to work, so I can't go to the gym after work, so far I've just been going on off days, but I'm wondering if there would be any negatives to just going in the morning before work. I'm a waiter so I won't be doing any exercise after the workout, but I won't get a chance to rest for at least 12 hours after the workout.

3) My fingers always ache pretty badly after dead-lifting, I'm sure I must be doing something wrong, because there are people who can dead-lift huge weights and their fingers don't seem to be the limiting factor in what they can lift. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?


1. What is it you're looking to do with supplements?

YOu should also realize that supplements maybe help a couple percentage points in overal improvement. The rest comes from the big 4: refining your sleep, nutrition, training, and stress

2. That's fine going in the morning. If you get back late it's probably just best to go to sleep

3. Do you do any stretching or mobility work for your fingers?

I know if I don't warm mine up enough before squeezing something really hard they ache for me.

Sorry it took so long to get back, I forgot I'd actually posted here.

1) I should have clarified myself better, I struggle to put weight on, so since I've started taking going to gym seriously I've been cramming as much food into me as I can, eating double portions, eating till I'm full even when I'm not hungry and drinking a lot of full fat milk. I really don't enjoy doing this, I know its healthy and necessary if I want to see progress so I'd like a supplement that I can use as a meal replacement. Creatine and Whey Protein seem to be the widely used ones so I figured I'd start with them. What I want to know is whether its better to just buy Creatine and Whey Protein separately or get one of those all-in-one shakes that my gym is so desperate to try and sell me. Looking at the website for the product it seems that alongside protein and creatine it has stuff like Glutamine, HMB and Beta-ecdysterone (whatever that is).

2) Thanks, I went the night before a morning shift a few days ago and it was actually easier than going maybe 24 hours before work, because the DOMS hadn't kicked in yet so I'll try and go in on Wednesday morning and see how it feels.

3) Thanks I'll try this and see.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 08 2011 00:49 GMT
#13388
On November 08 2011 07:16 GoTuNk! wrote:
I feel trolled by this vid. Hopefully I'll surpass her in 3 weeks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsiIU0gKG94&feature=related


lol
63.4 kg -> 212.5 kg DL
139.5 lbs -> 467.5 lbs DL

Incredible
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 08 2011 00:50 GMT
#13389
On November 08 2011 08:56 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:29 eshlow wrote:
On November 05 2011 13:31 Eufouria wrote:
Couple of questions. I've been going to the gym, fairly seriously for the last month but these are some things I've been wondering for a while.

1) Thus far I've done nothing special with my diet, except eating more and drinking a lot of full fat milk, but now I'm planning to get some supplements. What I'm wondering is if I should be buying individual supplements, or get one of those all in one sort of things. Logic is telling me it would be cheaper and better to get the individual supplements, but I just wanted to check here if that's right.

2) I work from afternoon to late at night on the days I go to work, so I can't go to the gym after work, so far I've just been going on off days, but I'm wondering if there would be any negatives to just going in the morning before work. I'm a waiter so I won't be doing any exercise after the workout, but I won't get a chance to rest for at least 12 hours after the workout.

3) My fingers always ache pretty badly after dead-lifting, I'm sure I must be doing something wrong, because there are people who can dead-lift huge weights and their fingers don't seem to be the limiting factor in what they can lift. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?


1. What is it you're looking to do with supplements?

YOu should also realize that supplements maybe help a couple percentage points in overal improvement. The rest comes from the big 4: refining your sleep, nutrition, training, and stress

2. That's fine going in the morning. If you get back late it's probably just best to go to sleep

3. Do you do any stretching or mobility work for your fingers?

I know if I don't warm mine up enough before squeezing something really hard they ache for me.

Sorry it took so long to get back, I forgot I'd actually posted here.

1) I should have clarified myself better, I struggle to put weight on, so since I've started taking going to gym seriously I've been cramming as much food into me as I can, eating double portions, eating till I'm full even when I'm not hungry and drinking a lot of full fat milk. I really don't enjoy doing this, I know its healthy and necessary if I want to see progress so I'd like a supplement that I can use as a meal replacement. Creatine and Whey Protein seem to be the widely used ones so I figured I'd start with them. What I want to know is whether its better to just buy Creatine and Whey Protein separately or get one of those all-in-one shakes that my gym is so desperate to try and sell me. Looking at the website for the product it seems that alongside protein and creatine it has stuff like Glutamine, HMB and Beta-ecdysterone (whatever that is).

2) Thanks, I went the night before a morning shift a few days ago and it was actually easier than going maybe 24 hours before work, because the DOMS hadn't kicked in yet so I'll try and go in on Wednesday morning and see how it feels.

3) Thanks I'll try this and see.


Check your caloric intake on fitday or another program. You probably still are not eating enough

You can buy an all in one I gues. Personally, it's easier to start with one and go from there.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
November 08 2011 01:52 GMT
#13390
Still so fucking sore from saturday, still managed 100 snatch and 125 kg (only reason i did that is because another guy there that i have 20-30 pounds on put up 115 and almost 120 so i couldn't get out done). Speed on snatches felt really good once i warmed up, just could support more weight because i was too beat up lol.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
November 08 2011 09:39 GMT
#13391
On November 08 2011 08:56 Eufouria wrote:

Sorry it took so long to get back, I forgot I'd actually posted here.

1) I should have clarified myself better, I struggle to put weight on, so since I've started taking going to gym seriously I've been cramming as much food into me as I can, eating double portions, eating till I'm full even when I'm not hungry and drinking a lot of full fat milk. I really don't enjoy doing this, I know its healthy and necessary if I want to see progress so I'd like a supplement that I can use as a meal replacement. Creatine and Whey Protein seem to be the widely used ones so I figured I'd start with them. What I want to know is whether its better to just buy Creatine and Whey Protein separately or get one of those all-in-one shakes that my gym is so desperate to try and sell me. Looking at the website for the product it seems that alongside protein and creatine it has stuff like Glutamine, HMB and Beta-ecdysterone (whatever that is).

2) Thanks, I went the night before a morning shift a few days ago and it was actually easier than going maybe 24 hours before work, because the DOMS hadn't kicked in yet so I'll try and go in on Wednesday morning and see how it feels.

3) Thanks I'll try this and see.



Buy seperate, much cheaper. You'll only need whey and creatine anyway.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 08 2011 13:45 GMT
#13392
I have a quick question, I want to start working on my calves but I'm worried my growth will be stunted by the calf machine, the type u push if feet up on with weights attached to the bottom. Will it damage ankles/growth plates or are my fears unfounded?
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 08 2011 13:50 GMT
#13393
On November 08 2011 22:45 Taekwon wrote:
I have a quick question, I want to start working on my calves but I'm worried my growth will be stunted by the calf machine, the type u push if feet up on with weights attached to the bottom. Will it damage ankles/growth plates or are my fears unfounded?


That's fine.... but shouldn't you focus more on squats/deadlifts/etc.?
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
November 08 2011 16:18 GMT
#13394
So I have been working out for a few weeks. I have my own home gym but I dont have a leg curl machine. It's olympic bench/rack/dumbbells. This is my first post in the forum. I am currently doing my winter training regimen. My goal is mostly vertical jump NOT bodybuilding. I am doing the vertical jump bible novice strength training with some upper body mixed in on off days. I also do one workout a week of sprints. When it gets closer to the start of the season, I will add another day of sprints.

After I think 5 more weeks, then I will be adding plyometrics into my workout schedule. I do legs two times a week with squats leading one day and deads leading the other. I have been struggling with my form so I am trying to really focus on that. I have watched many videos on youtube for this. I am not a newb to weight lifting but I am taking it more seriously now than I have before. For supplements I take protein shake after my workout at night and am not interested in creatine. I have some glutamine I might start taking.

Last night I did:
Squats
Glute ham raise (negatives only, still working up to this)
Barbell calf raises
beberly
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States117 Posts
November 08 2011 17:15 GMT
#13395
On November 09 2011 01:18 TheResidentEvil wrote:
So I have been working out for a few weeks. I have my own home gym but I dont have a leg curl machine. It's olympic bench/rack/dumbbells. This is my first post in the forum. I am currently doing my winter training regimen. My goal is mostly vertical jump NOT bodybuilding. I am doing the vertical jump bible novice strength training with some upper body mixed in on off days. I also do one workout a week of sprints. When it gets closer to the start of the season, I will add another day of sprints.

After I think 5 more weeks, then I will be adding plyometrics into my workout schedule. I do legs two times a week with squats leading one day and deads leading the other. I have been struggling with my form so I am trying to really focus on that. I have watched many videos on youtube for this. I am not a newb to weight lifting but I am taking it more seriously now than I have before. For supplements I take protein shake after my workout at night and am not interested in creatine. I have some glutamine I might start taking.

Last night I did:
Squats
Glute ham raise (negatives only, still working up to this)
Barbell calf raises


WARNING: I AM A COMPLETE NOVICE AND SIMPLY AM REGURGITATING FREQUENT ADVICE!!!

You may want to add power cleans to your regimen. They're great for explosiveness and vertical leap, and you have the equipment. They're pretty technical, but with the wealth of knowledge on the internet, I'm sure you can learn them relatively well on your own.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 17:36:55
November 08 2011 17:31 GMT
#13396
god fuckin damn powercleans are addictive

one of the top guys/trainers at my gym said a beginner shouldnt be doing deadlifts because they are too difficult to get right even for pros, and i shouldnt do standing overhead press but intead use a press machine (or seated dumbell press when i suggested it) because theyre safer (he said OHP was taken out of olympics or something).

well theres no way im quitting deads but maybe he has a point about OHP (im still trying to get decent form tho). i said ill never learn proper form and core stability if i just do seated press. maybe he just doesnt want nubs taking up the racks with 25kg presses shrug
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
November 08 2011 17:36 GMT
#13397
On November 09 2011 02:15 beberly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 01:18 TheResidentEvil wrote:
So I have been working out for a few weeks. I have my own home gym but I dont have a leg curl machine. It's olympic bench/rack/dumbbells. This is my first post in the forum. I am currently doing my winter training regimen. My goal is mostly vertical jump NOT bodybuilding. I am doing the vertical jump bible novice strength training with some upper body mixed in on off days. I also do one workout a week of sprints. When it gets closer to the start of the season, I will add another day of sprints.

After I think 5 more weeks, then I will be adding plyometrics into my workout schedule. I do legs two times a week with squats leading one day and deads leading the other. I have been struggling with my form so I am trying to really focus on that. I have watched many videos on youtube for this. I am not a newb to weight lifting but I am taking it more seriously now than I have before. For supplements I take protein shake after my workout at night and am not interested in creatine. I have some glutamine I might start taking.

Last night I did:
Squats
Glute ham raise (negatives only, still working up to this)
Barbell calf raises


WARNING: I AM A COMPLETE NOVICE AND SIMPLY AM REGURGITATING FREQUENT ADVICE!!!

You may want to add power cleans to your regimen. They're great for explosiveness and vertical leap, and you have the equipment. They're pretty technical, but with the wealth of knowledge on the internet, I'm sure you can learn them relatively well on your own.


Definitely add power cleans.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 08 2011 17:47 GMT
#13398
On November 09 2011 02:31 FFGenerations wrote:
god fuckin damn powercleans are addictive

one of the top guys/trainers at my gym said a beginner shouldnt be doing deadlifts because they are too difficult to get right even for pros, and i shouldnt do standing overhead press but intead use a press machine (or seated dumbell press when i suggested it) because theyre safer (he said OHP was taken out of olympics or something).

well theres no way im quitting deads but maybe he has a point about OHP (im still trying to get decent form tho). i said ill never learn proper form and core stability if i just do seated press. maybe he just doesnt want nubs taking up the racks with 25kg presses shrug


1) Inform him that Clean & Press was taken out because it was difficult to judge properly
2) Continue doing OHP
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TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
November 08 2011 17:56 GMT
#13399
On November 09 2011 02:36 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 02:15 beberly wrote:
On November 09 2011 01:18 TheResidentEvil wrote:
So I have been working out for a few weeks. I have my own home gym but I dont have a leg curl machine. It's olympic bench/rack/dumbbells. This is my first post in the forum. I am currently doing my winter training regimen. My goal is mostly vertical jump NOT bodybuilding. I am doing the vertical jump bible novice strength training with some upper body mixed in on off days. I also do one workout a week of sprints. When it gets closer to the start of the season, I will add another day of sprints.

After I think 5 more weeks, then I will be adding plyometrics into my workout schedule. I do legs two times a week with squats leading one day and deads leading the other. I have been struggling with my form so I am trying to really focus on that. I have watched many videos on youtube for this. I am not a newb to weight lifting but I am taking it more seriously now than I have before. For supplements I take protein shake after my workout at night and am not interested in creatine. I have some glutamine I might start taking.

Last night I did:
Squats
Glute ham raise (negatives only, still working up to this)
Barbell calf raises


WARNING: I AM A COMPLETE NOVICE AND SIMPLY AM REGURGITATING FREQUENT ADVICE!!!

You may want to add power cleans to your regimen. They're great for explosiveness and vertical leap, and you have the equipment. They're pretty technical, but with the wealth of knowledge on the internet, I'm sure you can learn them relatively well on your own.


Definitely add power cleans.


I have been looking this over and I am deciding against it. One of the main problems I have had is making up my own programs. My programs aren't bad but for one time I am just going to go by the book. It's by Kelly Baggett and he says no reason to do power cleans. Also for my body type, i need more strength than explosiveness. Thanks for the suggestion and I looked into it checking both Joe Defranco and Kelly Baggett
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 08 2011 17:56 GMT
#13400
On November 09 2011 01:18 TheResidentEvil wrote:
So I have been working out for a few weeks. I have my own home gym but I dont have a leg curl machine. It's olympic bench/rack/dumbbells. This is my first post in the forum. I am currently doing my winter training regimen. My goal is mostly vertical jump NOT bodybuilding. I am doing the vertical jump bible novice strength training with some upper body mixed in on off days. I also do one workout a week of sprints. When it gets closer to the start of the season, I will add another day of sprints.

After I think 5 more weeks, then I will be adding plyometrics into my workout schedule. I do legs two times a week with squats leading one day and deads leading the other. I have been struggling with my form so I am trying to really focus on that. I have watched many videos on youtube for this. I am not a newb to weight lifting but I am taking it more seriously now than I have before. For supplements I take protein shake after my workout at night and am not interested in creatine. I have some glutamine I might start taking.

Last night I did:
Squats
Glute ham raise (negatives only, still working up to this)
Barbell calf raises


Hi, I'm not really sure why you are posting here. Are you looking for advice? I assume you are training for a sport, if so which one? I can't really think of any sport except for maybe high jump in which just vertical jump is important.

For Squat/Deadlift form the Starting Strength book itself is a great resource. As well, the "So you think you can squat" series on youtube is apparently good for form.
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