On February 06 2011 08:15 eshlow wrote: Soreness is not indicative of progress. If you are progressing then you are doing fine.......
although why are you doing biceps curls?
I know this. I am making progress, what I want to know is if I would be making more progress if I was sore/tired in my muscles after my workouts. I am looking for optimization.
I suspect you ask why im doing bicep curls because theres better exercises which also trains shoulders/chest at the same time. Just trust me, Im doing it for a good reason.
Most of the time, no.
Why do you think a lot of people stagnate in their training after they're in the gym?
Don't you see guys there who are doing crazy workouts but not getting much bigger/stronger?
Funkie, I personally eat lots of almonds. Atleast 5 ounces per day, usually more. Unsalted, they're my absolute favorite snack food. I'm no diet expert, but they appear healthy enough. High fat decent protein, limited carbs, none of the lectin issues you run into with peanuts... if someone was looking for a replacement to potato chips or whatever snack, I would DEFINITELY recommend them as my top choice.
As for the magnesium supplement... i've been taking a 500mg per day andits wonderful. Most noticeable increase in energy and clarity of mind, as well as much improved sleep quality of any single change i have ever made. I would definitely put it up there with d3 and fish oil as top supplements.
I just realised that I've been doing Starting Strength complete wrong for a long time. Basically been doing deadlift every week, press on wednesdays and not alternating between Workout A & B cause I didn't wanna do Power Cleans. Gotta remedy myself next week :/
On February 06 2011 08:15 eshlow wrote: Soreness is not indicative of progress. If you are progressing then you are doing fine.......
although why are you doing biceps curls?
I know this. I am making progress, what I want to know is if I would be making more progress if I was sore/tired in my muscles after my workouts. I am looking for optimization.
I suspect you ask why im doing bicep curls because theres better exercises which also trains shoulders/chest at the same time. Just trust me, Im doing it for a good reason.
Most of the time, no.
Why do you think a lot of people stagnate in their training after they're in the gym?
Don't you see guys there who are doing crazy workouts but not getting much bigger/stronger?
There's such a thing as too much.
Chasing soreness = no good
Chase progress = good
You dont understand. I feel nothing after my workouts. Its as if I never worked out. Despite the absolutely amazing awnsers you get on the internet I decided to do my own reaserch. It appears that the extensive ammounts of sugar I consume makes my workouts mostly about burning calories instead of breaking down musclemass. Not sure how accurate this is but for now I will stop consuming so much sugar and eat more protein and see what happens.
almonds also have a high omega-6 fat ratio though, so i personally would avoid binging on them :/
i bought literally 8 kgs of them before realizing this; now i eat about a handful a day. If you want to eat lots of nuts, I think a proportionately large amount of fish oil should also be consumed.
On February 06 2011 10:34 Advocado wrote: I just realised that I've been doing Starting Strength complete wrong for a long time. Basically been doing deadlift every week, press on wednesdays and not alternating between Workout A & B cause I didn't wanna do Power Cleans. Gotta remedy myself next week :/
On February 06 2011 08:15 eshlow wrote: Soreness is not indicative of progress. If you are progressing then you are doing fine.......
although why are you doing biceps curls?
I know this. I am making progress, what I want to know is if I would be making more progress if I was sore/tired in my muscles after my workouts. I am looking for optimization.
I suspect you ask why im doing bicep curls because theres better exercises which also trains shoulders/chest at the same time. Just trust me, Im doing it for a good reason.
Most of the time, no.
Why do you think a lot of people stagnate in their training after they're in the gym?
Don't you see guys there who are doing crazy workouts but not getting much bigger/stronger?
There's such a thing as too much.
Chasing soreness = no good
Chase progress = good
You dont understand. I feel nothing after my workouts. Its as if I never worked out. Despite the absolutely amazing awnsers you get on the internet I decided to do my own reaserch. It appears that the extensive ammounts of sugar I consume makes my workouts mostly about burning calories instead of breaking down musclemass. Not sure how accurate this is but for now I will stop consuming so much sugar and eat more protein and see what happens.
What are your workouts? What weights are you using?
Sugar obviously does not block breaking down muscle mass. That's not how it works.
Again, as long as you are improving it DOESN'T matter if youre sore or how you feel.
The way I understand it... the regular motion gets you into a full squat before you stand up with a bigass weight on your shoulders/above your head/whatever. The power version has you doing a minor dip in order to get under the bar, but only as much as is necessary in order for you to complete the motion.
I don't do full cleans or snatches or etc. though, so if I'm wrong then please someone with experience on the matter (decaf, dimsum etc) please correct me.
On February 06 2011 11:43 phyre112 wrote: The way I understand it... the regular motion gets you into a full squat before you stand up with a bigass weight on your shoulders/above your head/whatever. The power version has you doing a minor dip in order to get under the bar, but only as much as is necessary in order for you to complete the motion.
I don't do full cleans or snatches or etc. though, so if I'm wrong then please someone with experience on the matter (decaf, dimsum etc) please correct me.
I think the technical line is either below parallel or above parallel on the dip. Above = power clean/power snatch, below = clean/snatch.
power is just catching the weight above parallel. Same for all movements. Power c&j just means power clean with a jerk. Regular is a clean with a jerk.
On February 06 2011 04:16 Alventenie wrote: Ok, so im going to the gym tomorrow since im almost done the book. Would you guys recommend a starting workout? Should i do all the lifts? Or should i sequence them out through the week (i think im gonna do sun/tues/thurs workouts)? If i shouldn't do them all, what should i focus on the most, im thinking squats (for leg muscles + stretching my body out), the press, dead lifts, power cleans. Not that i don't like the bench press, but i think the regular press will give me more overall for what im looking for.
The recommended workout is in the programming section, although the wiki page lays it out more clearly:
Workout A Squat (3x5), Bench (3x5), Deadlift (1x5)
Workout B Squat (3x5), Press (3x5), Powercleans (5x3)
and you alternate for 3 days a week, ABA week 1, BAB week 2 etc. Usually mon/wed/fri, although the snow caused me to move to tues/thurs/saturday
You don't want to go more than 3days/week if you are following starting strength, until you've hit your max with the novice program and the advanced novice program. Also the wiki page lays out the program and how to increase your weight more clearly than the book imo (the book is better for in depth form analysis and such) so check out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki
Do you know what to do in terms of warmup sets? Also in the wiki, but make sure you know how that works before you get to the heavy weights
Im finishing up the last few pages of the power clean chapter, so im not 100% done the book, but ive read 180 pages in like 1.5 days. Unless they specified elsewhere, the warm ups they said are just in each chapter. I know the next chapter is the assistance exercises, but i haven't gotten there yet. I should be done the book before i go tomorrow, so it should be good! ty for responses though.
On February 06 2011 11:45 AoN.DimSum wrote: power is just catching the weight above parallel. Same for all movements. Power c&j just means power clean with a jerk. Regular is a clean with a jerk.
ahh ic so what are the advantages and disadvantages of doing the regular movements vs their power varieties?
it seems like the regular cleans/snatch/C&J would give you a more complete workout since ur doing pretty much a full squat during the movement. and the power varieties are more for assistance exercises for a program that already does some kind of squatting?
On February 06 2011 04:16 Alventenie wrote: Ok, so im going to the gym tomorrow since im almost done the book. Would you guys recommend a starting workout? Should i do all the lifts? Or should i sequence them out through the week (i think im gonna do sun/tues/thurs workouts)? If i shouldn't do them all, what should i focus on the most, im thinking squats (for leg muscles + stretching my body out), the press, dead lifts, power cleans. Not that i don't like the bench press, but i think the regular press will give me more overall for what im looking for.
The recommended workout is in the programming section, although the wiki page lays it out more clearly:
Workout A Squat (3x5), Bench (3x5), Deadlift (1x5)
Workout B Squat (3x5), Press (3x5), Powercleans (5x3)
and you alternate for 3 days a week, ABA week 1, BAB week 2 etc. Usually mon/wed/fri, although the snow caused me to move to tues/thurs/saturday
You don't want to go more than 3days/week if you are following starting strength, until you've hit your max with the novice program and the advanced novice program. Also the wiki page lays out the program and how to increase your weight more clearly than the book imo (the book is better for in depth form analysis and such) so check out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki
Do you know what to do in terms of warmup sets? Also in the wiki, but make sure you know how that works before you get to the heavy weights
Im finishing up the last few pages of the power clean chapter, so im not 100% done the book, but ive read 180 pages in like 1.5 days. Unless they specified elsewhere, the warm ups they said are just in each chapter. I know the next chapter is the assistance exercises, but i haven't gotten there yet. I should be done the book before i go tomorrow, so it should be good! ty for responses though.
On February 06 2011 12:52 FyRe_DragOn wrote: ahh ic so what are the advantages and disadvantages of doing the regular movements vs their power varieties?
it seems like the regular cleans/snatch/C&J would give you a more complete workout since ur doing pretty much a full squat during the movement. and the power varieties are more for assistance exercises for a program that already does some kind of squatting?
Power cleans is basically the low skilled version of the clean where you can get explosive training without the flexibility/mobility, time commitment, and likely thousands of hours of coaching you would need to get anywhere close to a good clean movement. Same with the snatch.
That's why you have most of hte power sports like football having their players do power cleans.... because their focus is not to lift heavy weights over their heads which you can lift more with a clean. Their focus is to get strong/explosive for football. So the lower skill version works fine for these types of purposes.
If you're interested in learning clean/snatch/etc the best analogy is basically that it's gymnastics with a barbell. It's like learning how to do handstands, flipping, tumbling, etc but with heavy weights.
You get strong and explosive.. and it requires good mobility and skill to do.
On February 06 2011 12:59 decafchicken wrote: The power movements works on explosiveness
lol, that wasnt a good answer... they both work explosiveness.
In fact, I'd say clean/snatch actually work more power than the power versions because you can lift heavier weights with each (therefore at set amount of reps you'll be more powerful/explosive with a heavier weight)
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so what are the advantages and disadvantages of doing the regular movements vs their power varieties? 
