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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
September 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#11961
Holy moly, today I learned why you set your squatting openers low.

Just barely failing a squat is one of the most draining things you can do.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
September 19 2011 19:57 GMT
#11962
http://paleodietlifestyle.com/quick-paleo-meals/

that link is golden.

Will make every good in there. except liver.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#11963
Started GOMAD today, I'm on my 2nd liter atm and it's fucking brutal. Never drank this much milk in my life. My stomach doesn't handle it as well as I'd hoped, however I don't care if I have to sleep in the washroom for the next month, I want to gain mass weight asap.
I <3 Plexa.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20161 Posts
September 19 2011 20:39 GMT
#11964
On September 20 2011 05:20 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Started GOMAD today, I'm on my 2nd liter atm and it's fucking brutal. Never drank this much milk in my life. My stomach doesn't handle it as well as I'd hoped, however I don't care if I have to sleep in the washroom for the next month, I want to gain mass weight asap.


I feel like i dont get enough calories at all if i dont put back at least 2L a day :p I don't have a problem digesting it though. I might of used to, or that might have been all the processed shit i was eating along with GOMAD to put on weight.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
September 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11965
On September 20 2011 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:20 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Started GOMAD today, I'm on my 2nd liter atm and it's fucking brutal. Never drank this much milk in my life. My stomach doesn't handle it as well as I'd hoped, however I don't care if I have to sleep in the washroom for the next month, I want to gain mass weight asap.


I feel like i dont get enough calories at all if i dont put back at least 2L a day :p I don't have a problem digesting it though. I might of used to, or that might have been all the processed shit i was eating along with GOMAD to put on weight.
And that's why your an ultralisk beast of a man while I'm just a skinny ghost!
I <3 Plexa.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
September 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#11966
On September 20 2011 05:20 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Started GOMAD today, I'm on my 2nd liter atm and it's fucking brutal. Never drank this much milk in my life. My stomach doesn't handle it as well as I'd hoped, however I don't care if I have to sleep in the washroom for the next month, I want to gain mass weight asap.


I drink like 2~3 liters of whole milk a day, first few excrementations were somewhat brutal I guess but its getting a lot better now like a week in or so.
Wat
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 19 2011 21:13 GMT
#11967
On September 20 2011 01:57 AsnSensation wrote:
Hey Guys Im really glad I found this thread which made me realize that all this 12 reps for toning is appearantly bullshit, so I'd like to start the SS, what confused me abit is the cardo part which supposedly is useless, as well? So I just wanted to know if there is actually anything nonbeneficial in throwing in a cardio part after the workout since I like to spend 30mins on the treadmill after lifting weights.

My goal is to lose weight btw. I managed to lose 15kg last year with my "own freestyle" tactic but unfortunately I gained most of it again because I was really lazy the past year because of poker, sc2 etc this time I'd like to have a more systematic approach so I'd be happy if someone can answer my "cardio good/bad after workout" question.

thx


"@AsnSensation
I don't think the point eshlow is trying to get across in the OP is that cardio is useless, more so that it's not necessary unless you're an endurance runner or something like that. If you wanna lose weight you'll do just fine eating right and lifting heavy. Eating is 90% anyway.

If you still would like to do cardio just because you enjoy it, or want to burn some extra calories, there probably isn't anything wrong with that. It's a useful tool to burn calories, but a lot of people seem to think it's a necessity to do cardio if you want to lose weight, which it isn't."


Pretty much this to answer your question. Nutrition is by far the most important thing, and heavy lifting should get you faster results than cardio if your goal is to lose (fat) weight and/or gain muscle.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 21:22:29
September 19 2011 21:21 GMT
#11968
On September 20 2011 03:13 BouBou.865 wrote:
Doing my persuasive speech on Paleo tomorrow, could use some help clearing stuff up :D

So far my speech goes as following

Explain what Paleo is, explain the benefits (feel the way you are supposed to feel, cavemen were in WAY better shape than early peasants), split it up in nutrition & exercise

Do pro's and cons (Pro's you can eat bacon, cons no more pasta and bran muffins)

Explain WHY grains/high carb is unnecessary and even bad

Talk about why we don't need the fiber & Vit. B grains offer us

Exercise:

The way we used to exercise and how most of paleo (lots of meat, fish & eggs) is already a staple in any serious athlete's diet

Why carb-loading is useful is certain sports, but that's optimal nutrition for sub-optimal exercise


Why Paleo people take these supplements, despite their food being so healthy


Need to fill about five minutes. Anything you guys would like to add? Funny quotes/punchlines? I figured I'd go with 'Thank you for your five minutes, if you let me, I'll give you back five years'


1. Bacon is still processed.... to be more accurate uncured bacon is much better than the stuff you typically buy at the supermarket.

**I'm pretty sure there's no metas that show that when distinguised from each other, unprocessed meats cause cancer, cardiovascular disease, etc.

2. high carb is not necessarily bad, but yeah. Paleo is neither high carb or low carb -- it's about quality of foods.

3. Grains are bad, of course, on Paleo. Here is some more info on why (this is the new Paleo thread in the forum that we are getting that I wrote up):

+ Show Spoiler +
Why Paleo?

The nutritional guidelines that many people from the previous TL Health and Fitness thread recommend is the Paleolithic diet.

Despite what you may have heard about the Paleo diet, it is neither low carbohydrate or high carbohydrate. It can be either depending on how many carbohydrates you eat from fruits and vegetables.

Instead, the Paleo diet focuses specifically on inclusion of high quality and nutrient rich foods upon which we evolved: fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, meat, birds, fish, eggs.

Dairy, grains, and legumes are excluded specifically because of potential detrimental aspects that these foods may on our gastroinstestinal system and subsequently the rest of our organ systems by proxy.

As an aside my personal opinion is that dairy is fine as long as you are not lactose intolerant.

Grains and legumes are touted by the government as healthy even though there is little evidence supporting these statements especially regarding fiber and nutrients as fruits and vegetables provide more of each and are healthier. Many people have heard of Celiac's disease which is characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract due to gluten, a protein in wheat and many other grains.

However, in the absence of Celiac's there seemed to be little evidence to the detrimental effect of grains. However, that is changing as recent research into suggests that gluten sensitivity may exist in upwards of 2/3rds of the population. Another. In particular, gliadin protein seems to specifically stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against transglutaminase which is a protein in all cells within the body.

Thus, grains may contribute to the pathogenesis of many of the so-called disease of civilizations which include:

1. neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and the severity of Huntington's
2. Cardiovascular disease which includes heart disease, atherosclerosis, peripheral vascular disease, stroke
3. Pulmonary disease asthma, COPD, etc.
4. Metabolic disease which includes diabetes 1 and 2, metabolic syndrome, osteoporosis
5. Gastrointestinal disease such as Celiac's, Crohn's, IBS, Colitis, etc.
6. Organ issues such as kidney, liver, etc.
7. Autoimmune such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, ALS, SLE, dermatitis, etc.
8. And others such as cancer, depression, obesity, acne, etc.

There are several posts with more studies located in the following spoiler from the previous in support of the above statements.

Multi post on gluten, saturated fats, milk, vitamin D, and cholesterol:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9382380

Relationship of diabetes with alzheimer's (type 3 diabetes) plus lecture on neurodegenerative diseases, cancer, and a bit about auto-immunity:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9929243
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9929851

Efficacy of low carbohydrate vs low fat diets... why low carbohydrate diets are superior for weight loss and correcting metabolic dysfunction (diabetes, heart disease, neurodegenerative disease, infertility, etc.):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11185776
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11187342

There are several other factors involved in the pathogenesis of many of these diseases that can be obtained from diet besides (1) gluten/grains such as (2) excessive amounts of carbohydrates especially fructose, (3) excessive intake of omega 6 oils throwing off O6:O3 balance, and (4) trans fats.

These 4 dietary factors comprise most of the problems with the modern diet.

Additionally, there are other factors to consider beyond diet:

1. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives).
2. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation.
3. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things).
4. Lack of vitamin D (potent anti-inflammatory, immune system modulator, etc.)


4. Fruits and vegs obviously have more fiber than grains. Grains do not have much B vitamins; they are added. Meat has more B vitamins. There is a reason why vegetarians/vegans have to supplement some vitamins like B12, (among other things like iron, DHA/EPA, etc.).

5. I'd say something about trying a 30 day paleo challenge :p
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 22:27:53
September 19 2011 22:08 GMT
#11969
I just saw that peas are legumes (actually starting to understand the difference between legumes and begetables). So I should not eat peas? And while we are at it, what about corn (I mean these things, not sure about the translation).
Seriously, understanding the difference between legumes and vegetables in english is just a nightmare for me as a non-native speaker.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 22:33:05
September 19 2011 22:28 GMT
#11970
Peas definitely aren't the best vegetable choice, but you could do worse. Corn (shown in your post) is a grain and as such is inflammatory, but not as bad as wheat or something with gluten. I'd eat other vegetables instead of peas and would definitely stay away from corn and go with sweet potatoes or even white rice instead if you're trying to increase carbs and calories, but that's just me.

I wouldn't worry too much about stressing vegetable vs. legume (the terms are definitely not properly applied by most in any language).
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 19 2011 22:52 GMT
#11971
On September 20 2011 07:08 Malinor wrote:
I just saw that peas are legumes (actually starting to understand the difference between legumes and begetables). So I should not eat peas? And while we are at it, what about corn (I mean these things, not sure about the translation).
Seriously, understanding the difference between legumes and vegetables in english is just a nightmare for me as a non-native speaker.


Don't worry about it too much... I mean I eat peas and some corn on the cob once in a while and it doesn't destroy me.

However, if I eat bread and anything made from wheat my digestive system goes out of whack for a day or two (sometimes more).

I don't think they're necessarily that bad comparitively. There's a lot worse things you can eat (processed foods). Pretty much what Ingenol said.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4740 Posts
September 19 2011 23:05 GMT
#11972
Yeah, I just got a little worried... I buy this vegetable mix to eat with meat and potatoes sometimes, consisting of peas, carrots and corn. I was feeling all high and mighty how healthy such a meal is, and then you read that I shouldn't eat 2 out of 3 things in this mix, kinda makes me angry

That being said, I haven't had bread in probably six weaks. It wasn't even a conscious choice, I just stopped buying it (mostly because of calroic restriction) and surprisingly I don't really miss it that much.
Still drinking some Soda most days (one 0,33l can), besides that, my nutrition is pretty much spot on. I never thought I could enjoy eating so much meat.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20161 Posts
September 19 2011 23:32 GMT
#11973
Massive leg day, FS + snatch/CJ doubles + BS. Doing some foam rolling + massive consumption of protein.

Lats/mid back started to hurt during snatch so i stopped at 90 :-/ Fucking beastly little guy there was did 5 attempts at 140 CJ but missed all the jerks. His leg strength is nuts. I'm gonna start squatting 4-5x a week and working the full lifts 3x a week.
I wonder if 20 minutes is enough for a squat workout for ~5 heavy singles, i've got 40 minutes to kill in between class and i figure 5-10 minutes travel each way.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
September 19 2011 23:41 GMT
#11974
Had an easy practice today, to make up for the fact that we usually have sundays off. I'm going to spit in the face of that easy day, and go lift heavy, just as soon as I get dinner. Then it's back to my room to study anatomy and physiology/exercise science (both of which are easy classes atm because of the background info picked up in my "personal interest" in fitness) and catch a repeat showing of the season premiere of How I met your mother.
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
September 20 2011 00:38 GMT
#11975
Holy smokes decaf, how did you get your body to adapt to lifting so much so frequently? I would love to be able to squat more than 3 days a week but at the same time do it smartly.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
September 20 2011 00:47 GMT
#11976
John "Grizzly"
Age: 26 || Height: 6'3" || Weight: 250lbs
Starting Date: 09/19/11 || Goal Date: 06/03/12
Weight goals -- 210lbs
Training goals -- [not sure yet]
Nutrition goals -- [not sure yet]
Misc goals -- [not sure yet]

down from 283 since jan 2010. Would have lost more by now but have run into a number of injuries from playing soccer and joint fatigue from running (hamstring, both knees, ankle). Started daily cycling a month ago and have seen rapid results. Good combo of cardio (myth or not for weight loss, it's still good for you) and weight training (climbing hills when you weigh 250lbs is fucking hard!). Also doing upper body routines in the gym 3x/week.
Do or do not; there is no try.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 00:53:26
September 20 2011 00:53 GMT
#11977
Eshlow: Went to gym today to do lifts. Coach guy remarked that my hips are always rotated very forward. Like very very very far forward. How can you correct that?

At 4 eggs and 2 slices of toast for breakfast though. Calories ><
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 01:04:55
September 20 2011 00:55 GMT
#11978
On September 20 2011 09:38 MeShiet wrote:
Holy smokes decaf, how did you get your body to adapt to lifting so much so frequently? I would love to be able to squat more than 3 days a week but at the same time do it smartly.


Been squatting a long time. I know dimsum squats 5x a week too. You can make it much easier on yourself by sticking to low volume high intensity, i usually work up to 90% max give or take and hit 5-10 singles at that weight. I would have started last fall if i didn't have rugby 3x a week. I think this semester i'm just gonna man up and fucking do it.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 01:07:10
September 20 2011 01:05 GMT
#11979
On September 20 2011 03:13 BouBou.865 wrote:
Doing my persuasive speech on Paleo tomorrow, could use some help clearing stuff up :D

So far my speech goes as following

Explain what Paleo is, explain the benefits (feel the way you are supposed to feel, cavemen were in WAY better shape than early peasants), split it up in nutrition & exercise

Do pro's and cons (Pro's you can eat bacon, cons no more pasta and bran muffins)

Explain WHY grains/high carb is unnecessary and even bad

Talk about why we don't need the fiber & Vit. B grains offer us

Exercise:

The way we used to exercise and how most of paleo (lots of meat, fish & eggs) is already a staple in any serious athlete's diet

Why carb-loading is useful is certain sports, but that's optimal nutrition for sub-optimal exercise


Why Paleo people take these supplements, despite their food being so healthy


Need to fill about five minutes. Anything you guys would like to add? Funny quotes/punchlines? I figured I'd go with 'Thank you for your five minutes, if you let me, I'll give you back five years'




I love doing persuasive speeches. I trolled my speechcom class with it, attempting to persuade people to smoke weed =p I did exceptionally well on it actually, especially considering that my prof was a rather conservative old lady

What you got there sounds like way too much for five minutes of speaking though. I'd cut out the exercise portion completely and focus on the diet. It also seems a little unstructured at first glance. I think the progression should be something like this:
-What is Paleo, a quick intro
-Why should you care (health faults with modern diet: grains, processed food and so on)
-What's the alternative? (cutting out grains, processed food, etc, tie back to paleo and its health benefits, shoot down common nutritional myths like meat causing cardiovascular disease)
-What can you expect when switching to paleo (like pros/cons but centered on usability, i.e paleo tends to be more expensive, etc)
-14 day paleo challenge or w.e to wrap it up

Since you're talking to people that have probably never heard of paleo and are comfortable with what they're eating, the things you should hope to accomplish in order of importance are
1) introduce them to paleo so they know what it is
2) convince them that it is a better choice from a health point of view
3) convince that it's a practical choice
4) get them to try it

Some things you may want to consider: shooting down common myths, you have to address them because if you don't, unless there is Q/A, you won't get anywhere
I'm talking about stuff like meat causing heart attacks etc

my 2c =) good luck!
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
September 20 2011 01:11 GMT
#11980
Thanks for the quick reply decaf, I'm not afraid of anything other than how getting an extra gym session in will affect my school schedule. Right now, I want to squat harder than ever, getting pinned after a clean is so damn embarrassing.
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