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shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 14:21:17
September 05 2011 14:14 GMT
#11021
I don't think it really matters when you eat your meals, as long as you get the nutrition in at some point during the day. This is kind of why leangains is effective, it shows that you can train fasted... as long as you get your nutrition in at some point.

That being said, I do find it easier to eat more with more frequent meals, which can be helpful for gaining mass. But this is different for everyone.

By the way, teamliquid, I think I've come a long way. Deadlifting 60 to 205 in 93 days. And a bench from 65 to 130. Granted my numbers aren't the greatest, the process of moving changed my diet for the worse for a few weeks and I didn't gain any weight. But I'm hoping for a deadlift of 300+ by december. Starting strength for the win.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
September 05 2011 14:43 GMT
#11022
On September 05 2011 23:14 shinosai wrote:
I don't think it really matters when you eat your meals, as long as you get the nutrition in at some point during the day. This is kind of why leangains is effective, it shows that you can train fasted... as long as you get your nutrition in at some point.

That being said, I do find it easier to eat more with more frequent meals, which can be helpful for gaining mass. But this is different for everyone.

By the way, teamliquid, I think I've come a long way. Deadlifting 60 to 205 in 93 days. And a bench from 65 to 130. Granted my numbers aren't the greatest, the process of moving changed my diet for the worse for a few weeks and I didn't gain any weight. But I'm hoping for a deadlift of 300+ by december. Starting strength for the win.


I agree. The way I like my way is because I'm not really good at ingesting high amounts of food in one sitting and this makes it possible for me to get enough nutrtion.

Good job on your progress! Just remember this is a game won in the long run
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 14:54:13
September 05 2011 14:53 GMT
#11023
On September 05 2011 22:14 inimenesc wrote:
Two things started to worry me today(no training, just eating+squats theory)

Firstly, i eat in the morning 2-3 sandwiches(with real bread, not that white crap) and next time i eat around 12.00 for a little snack and then 18.00 for a big meal again, when gym day then something before gym. My mother is worried that i dont eat enought at the day time and my meals are too far apart...is that a problem? At the mornings i couldnt eat more, i am thinking of making some more sandwiches for school

Secondly, all my friends, ALL of them are telling me to not do full squats but half squats...but i remember here that full squats are better half squats
BUT
this ( http://stronglifts.com/how-to-squat-with-proper-technique-fix-common-problems/ ) tells me:
Many idiot personal trainers and "highly educated" (but dumb) doctors will tell you to do half Squats to keep your knees safe. This is the WORST advice ever - you'll HURT your knees if you do what they say.

"Your knees should never go past your toes." I find it impossible to do without losing balance with weight on my back, lack of hip movement? I did my low workout(did all 5 exercises to get used to the gym) and i just couldnt help letting those knees go over toes... :/. Lack of tehnique, i dont think so it is because i am very tall, i think my upper body is in the wrong position and goes way foward. Any other things i should look at and improve when i am having this problem?


-e- just checked, it is about an inch over or a bit more while squating.


1. Meh bread is bread but it's probably fine as long as everything else is good.

2. Full squats.

3. Your knees can go past your toes, as long as your center of weight is midfoot to heel. If you have lots of weight onto your toes it can lead to some interesting problems.

Knees must go OVER toes (e.g. tracking in line) and can go OVER toes (e.g. as long as you are distributing weight correctly)


re: zatic I'm editting the nutrition thread as fast as I can.... there's a lot of ground to cover :\
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
September 05 2011 15:05 GMT
#11024
i thought there is a difference between this:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

and this:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

But now i know otherwise...i am not going even try to argue with eshlow, i am smart enought

tomorrow first time in new gym and with a partner first time, but he uses other floor...only going to use him for benchpress.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
September 05 2011 15:19 GMT
#11025
On September 05 2011 10:00 Advocado wrote:
Speaking of zyzz, has anyone tried his routine? Looks pretty insane. I'm getting kinda tired of being SS and not making any progress.


It's pretty terrible. Worked for him cause he was one the juice.

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/After_Starting_Strength
This outlines some of the best routines for after SS. Just choose your goal and how often you wanna lift per week. Modify those that can be modified to suit your needs, if you need help just ask here.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
September 05 2011 15:25 GMT
#11026
On September 06 2011 00:19 glurio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 10:00 Advocado wrote:
Speaking of zyzz, has anyone tried his routine? Looks pretty insane. I'm getting kinda tired of being SS and not making any progress.


It's pretty terrible. Worked for him cause he was one the juice.

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/After_Starting_Strength
This outlines some of the best routines for after SS. Just choose your goal and how often you wanna lift per week. Modify those that can be modified to suit your needs, if you need help just ask here.


I don't often see this mentioned here, but for most people gains stop after 12-16 weeks on the same program. Small changes like the proposed above will revamp ur progress.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
September 05 2011 16:08 GMT
#11027
After reading about the Chinese training system, I look at training differently now. I'll list the main points of it.

-Evaluate yourself- what are your strengths and weaknesses?
-Add more work/exercises to your weaknesses
-evaluate again in 4 weeks

So if your stalling, you must change something to get better! Try a wide variety of exercises and you can see what helps you the most.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 16:13:40
September 05 2011 16:08 GMT
#11028
would these things be usefull for my knees while lifting?:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

its called deroyal and its EU 8054 for more google if anyone cba


google wouldnt give any anwser for lifting help. Used them a while back now found them again.
edit for image
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
September 05 2011 16:27 GMT
#11029
No need for them yet. You can use them much later for max attempts, they make it a bit easier iirc.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 16:55:44
September 05 2011 16:55 GMT
#11030
For those of you who have some time because I am short at the moment, can you write up or pull up some information on:

some common myths explained like saturated fats, cholesterol, etc. What are good sources for specific nutrients would be a good idea.

I will likely write up the sat fats/chol/etc. once I have some time, but some information on sites/macros/etc. would be great


Once we get the nutrition thread ironed out I think we are a go for the launch.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 17:06:35
September 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#11031

Is this good? :D
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
September 05 2011 17:08 GMT
#11032
On September 05 2011 22:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 16:32 Zafrumi wrote:
On September 05 2011 11:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On September 05 2011 11:36 phyre112 wrote:
Thanks dimsum, helps to have examples. I'll post videos in a bit - i've only tried jerks once so far, so I would like to practice a touch first.



np, if thats your first time, I wouldnt even use the bar. Practice splitting with your feet without anything first. Front leg should have at least the shin perpendicular to the floor. Back leg can be either bent or straight, this is a preference I think. You have to figure this out yourself.
The toes should be pointed inward. (see below picture) This will keep you balanced.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

This would be for a left handed person, since usually they will have their right foot out first..



@bbw, when do you get off work? surely you would have a little time for yourself!


hm, is there a reason for this? i'm right-handed but i never though about putting the left foot out first... right seemed just more natural to me. maybe I should try it with the left foot out


No clue, its what most people do. It should be what naturally comes out first, so if your left foot comes out first, thats fine. Did anyone ever test you to see which is your lead leg?

Thanks zatic for the new forum! :D


well I jump with my left leg.. maybe i'll have to try split jerking with the left leg in front! never really thought about it until now ^^

"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
September 05 2011 17:33 GMT
#11033
Saw this http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=262650 blog, which lead me to this http://www.leangains.com/ blog, which spawned some questions (and already had some other questions before), and see the leangains blog is mentioned here, so figured I might post some of my wonderings and maybe get a little bit wiser.

I know I should post\have goals for motivational purposes or whatever but I dont B( and motivation is not really an issue now as failure/giving up/skipping workouts or whatever is not really an option.

I am 22 years old, before this have basically never worked out in my life before, (even in gym in school I would do the barebare minimum and avoid getting tired at any cost.) basically. I am 1.80~cm tall and weight like 71.5 ~kg .My current goal is not to become huge\much bigger I guess, mainly looking just to become more healthy\fit\energized overall, and more... toned I guess =p The current dream\end goal (not actual end goal obv but youknow) in terms of aesthetics is to have visible ab muscles\6pack\whatever you want to call it.

Have been doing p90x for 1 month now (finished my last real day of the 4th week today, woop woop.) And have also basically been following some sort of Paelo Diet. Only drink water, and eat the healthy version of minced meat (dunno what to call it in english, in norwegian we call it karbonadedeig =p) this usually comes in 200gram per meal 1-3 times a day (depending on how 'long' the day is I guess. Most days 2x 200gram though) Apart from that I eat fruits (Mainly 1 banana and 1 can of pineapple) and vegetables (like half a cucumber and a carrot) with each meal, and apart from that I eat some bananas or apples inbetween if I feel like it.

For the last month I have been unemployed\had no commitments so have not really set out any schedule for when to eat what or whatever but now just started on some course (from 9-3) which makes me more rigid, and also read about the minifasts or whatever, from leangains, and figured it might be soemthing I could incorperate. A bit unsure about how though. Assuming this could be beneficial for me I guess my current plan would be to not eat until lunch at the course thing (at like 12-13) and eat something slightly lightish there (like an apple and some vegetables and some yoghurt or some shit) Then when I get home at 3~30 work out, and eat my first meatfilled meal, possibly have some fruits or some shit inbetween if i feel like it, and then eat second meal at like 8~10pm before bed. I also think my diet could use some fine tuning, as the fruits I am eating might not be the best fruits (I read somewhere that pineapple\banans were sugaryfruits and might not be the best for me) and could\should also probably eat more vegetables, but the only vegetable that i currently really like is cucumber :{

Sorry for the somewhat in-coherency of this post but unsure of what to add and not add so I just tried to get in whatever might be relevant. Apriciate any advice given and thanks to anyone taking the time to read through this\potentially help me out
Wat
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 05 2011 17:57 GMT
#11034
On September 06 2011 02:33 Earll wrote:
Saw this http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=262650 blog, which lead me to this http://www.leangains.com/ blog, which spawned some questions (and already had some other questions before), and see the leangains blog is mentioned here, so figured I might post some of my wonderings and maybe get a little bit wiser.

I know I should post\have goals for motivational purposes or whatever but I dont B( and motivation is not really an issue now as failure/giving up/skipping workouts or whatever is not really an option.

I am 22 years old, before this have basically never worked out in my life before, (even in gym in school I would do the barebare minimum and avoid getting tired at any cost.) basically. I am 1.80~cm tall and weight like 71.5 ~kg .My current goal is not to become huge\much bigger I guess, mainly looking just to become more healthy\fit\energized overall, and more... toned I guess =p The current dream\end goal (not actual end goal obv but youknow) in terms of aesthetics is to have visible ab muscles\6pack\whatever you want to call it.

Have been doing p90x for 1 month now (finished my last real day of the 4th week today, woop woop.) And have also basically been following some sort of Paelo Diet. Only drink water, and eat the healthy version of minced meat (dunno what to call it in english, in norwegian we call it karbonadedeig =p) this usually comes in 200gram per meal 1-3 times a day (depending on how 'long' the day is I guess. Most days 2x 200gram though) Apart from that I eat fruits (Mainly 1 banana and 1 can of pineapple) and vegetables (like half a cucumber and a carrot) with each meal, and apart from that I eat some bananas or apples inbetween if I feel like it.

For the last month I have been unemployed\had no commitments so have not really set out any schedule for when to eat what or whatever but now just started on some course (from 9-3) which makes me more rigid, and also read about the minifasts or whatever, from leangains, and figured it might be soemthing I could incorperate. A bit unsure about how though. Assuming this could be beneficial for me I guess my current plan would be to not eat until lunch at the course thing (at like 12-13) and eat something slightly lightish there (like an apple and some vegetables and some yoghurt or some shit) Then when I get home at 3~30 work out, and eat my first meatfilled meal, possibly have some fruits or some shit inbetween if i feel like it, and then eat second meal at like 8~10pm before bed. I also think my diet could use some fine tuning, as the fruits I am eating might not be the best fruits (I read somewhere that pineapple\banans were sugaryfruits and might not be the best for me) and could\should also probably eat more vegetables, but the only vegetable that i currently really like is cucumber :{

Sorry for the somewhat in-coherency of this post but unsure of what to add and not add so I just tried to get in whatever might be relevant. Apriciate any advice given and thanks to anyone taking the time to read through this\potentially help me out

Are you a thin guy? From your weight and height it sounds like you're pretty skinny already, getting that six pack you're looking for shouldn't be that far off.

Personally I'm not a fan of leangains. You say you're basically following paleo and that's really all you need: meat, veggies, nuts and some fruit. Your diet sounds alright except for the lack of vegetables... sorry, it's time to eat more of those. Maybe spinach or some green beans?

Are you just looking to do working out at home, do running around, or use a gym? This'll heavily determine what kind of exercise regimens we can give you.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 18:16:53
September 05 2011 18:16 GMT
#11035
So I've lost 20lbs over the last 2 months. (11% of body weight)

I've also been sick for 10 days, and currently squat 20% less weight than my previous max (well, I used to not go past parallel and now I go ass to grass - previously 330, now 275)

Is this standard?
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
September 05 2011 18:30 GMT
#11036
On September 06 2011 02:57 dudeman001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 02:33 Earll wrote:
Saw this http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=262650 blog, which lead me to this http://www.leangains.com/ blog, which spawned some questions (and already had some other questions before), and see the leangains blog is mentioned here, so figured I might post some of my wonderings and maybe get a little bit wiser.

I know I should post\have goals for motivational purposes or whatever but I dont B( and motivation is not really an issue now as failure/giving up/skipping workouts or whatever is not really an option.

I am 22 years old, before this have basically never worked out in my life before, (even in gym in school I would do the barebare minimum and avoid getting tired at any cost.) basically. I am 1.80~cm tall and weight like 71.5 ~kg .My current goal is not to become huge\much bigger I guess, mainly looking just to become more healthy\fit\energized overall, and more... toned I guess =p The current dream\end goal (not actual end goal obv but youknow) in terms of aesthetics is to have visible ab muscles\6pack\whatever you want to call it.

Have been doing p90x for 1 month now (finished my last real day of the 4th week today, woop woop.) And have also basically been following some sort of Paelo Diet. Only drink water, and eat the healthy version of minced meat (dunno what to call it in english, in norwegian we call it karbonadedeig =p) this usually comes in 200gram per meal 1-3 times a day (depending on how 'long' the day is I guess. Most days 2x 200gram though) Apart from that I eat fruits (Mainly 1 banana and 1 can of pineapple) and vegetables (like half a cucumber and a carrot) with each meal, and apart from that I eat some bananas or apples inbetween if I feel like it.

For the last month I have been unemployed\had no commitments so have not really set out any schedule for when to eat what or whatever but now just started on some course (from 9-3) which makes me more rigid, and also read about the minifasts or whatever, from leangains, and figured it might be soemthing I could incorperate. A bit unsure about how though. Assuming this could be beneficial for me I guess my current plan would be to not eat until lunch at the course thing (at like 12-13) and eat something slightly lightish there (like an apple and some vegetables and some yoghurt or some shit) Then when I get home at 3~30 work out, and eat my first meatfilled meal, possibly have some fruits or some shit inbetween if i feel like it, and then eat second meal at like 8~10pm before bed. I also think my diet could use some fine tuning, as the fruits I am eating might not be the best fruits (I read somewhere that pineapple\banans were sugaryfruits and might not be the best for me) and could\should also probably eat more vegetables, but the only vegetable that i currently really like is cucumber :{

Sorry for the somewhat in-coherency of this post but unsure of what to add and not add so I just tried to get in whatever might be relevant. Apriciate any advice given and thanks to anyone taking the time to read through this\potentially help me out

Are you a thin guy? From your weight and height it sounds like you're pretty skinny already, getting that six pack you're looking for shouldn't be that far off.

Personally I'm not a fan of leangains. You say you're basically following paleo and that's really all you need: meat, veggies, nuts and some fruit. Your diet sounds alright except for the lack of vegetables... sorry, it's time to eat more of those. Maybe spinach or some green beans?

Are you just looking to do working out at home, do running around, or use a gym? This'll heavily determine what kind of exercise regimens we can give you.




well my BMI is 22~so I guess I am about average/middle/neither in terms of thin\thickness. I am currently not eating nuts, will peanuts do ok\are these an important part of the diet? =p Guess I wouldnt mind adding some of those though. I am currently doing p90x, which is working out from home and is the way I prefer it by far. I am pretty happy with the workouts so far though and will stick to that unless someone has a convincing argument for reasons to do otherwise. ( can see the workout schedule here http://www.p90xworkoutschedule.com/ ). I think I have started to see a very slight amount of ab muscles though, and my biceps\arms have also grown a decent amount (they are still very thin sticks I guess, but I notice an improvenet from what they once was =p)

When I started this diet though I fried my meat together with a fuckton of salt and then on top of that a lot of soysauce, but I read up recently that much salt\sodium is not good for you and makes you store lots of extra water, so Ive started only using pepper now and gone down a couple of kilos (presumably at least partially in water from less salt) the last few days which is nice. As a sidenote, does it at all matter that I use(a modest amount) butter(?) to fry my eat in? I have considered trying to get some natural oilshit but then again I doubt it can matter much :c
Wat
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 05 2011 18:47 GMT
#11037
On September 05 2011 17:27 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 16:57 Resent wrote:
On September 05 2011 16:28 Zafrumi wrote:
btw guys, we finally got our own forum, so post in it!!

maybe add it to the op, eshlow

How the heck can you even navigate to it?

You don't, as it is not supposed to be public yet. Needs some more work on the guides and stickies. I'll publish it as soon as its done don't worry.


Oooh, I thought I had been preemptively blacklisted from it or something because I couldn't find it :p
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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 19:52:25
September 05 2011 18:59 GMT
#11038
From what I read in my paleo book nuts doesn't really make sense in our diet. Since all of our meat is already rather rich in Omega 6 fats and fish & omega 3 is what we need. Their pretty awesome in terms of nutrition I guess.
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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
September 05 2011 19:32 GMT
#11039
First day of leangains today and I barely managed to finish my 2000+ kcal post-workout meal I'm not used to eating such big quantities (clean) as I've been on 5-6 meals a day for a while now. Tomorrow should be easier though with 3 smaller meals. The fasting isn't that bad as I'm drinking a lot of water.
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 20:09:43
September 05 2011 20:08 GMT
#11040
yo glurio, have you figured out why Lyle recommends 12-15 reps (1-2 sets, 1.5min rest) for biceps and triceps?
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