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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
On September 01 2011 21:35 Zafrumi wrote: btw, hi guys :> been on holiday for a week and kinda busy since I came back, hence no posting! gotta start working out again too... I was already wondering where you have been, welcome back. | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
Everyone who doesn't really gain weight is just doing it wrong. I always thought of myself as a hardgainer, till i looked at what i ate. Eating like a little girl obviously won't give you more mass. So you're full after a meal? Just wait an hour and start putting food in again. Yea it's not always easy, but you wanna grow, work for it. After a while it will get easier to eat a lot. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:15 FiWiFaKi wrote: I am terrible at gaining weight, actually since I started working out I think I lost weight. It scares me because I don't want to eat a lot and gain 10 pounds in a week, but as it is, I'm not super healthy + I eat quite a lot. On a standard day it goes like this: Breakfast: 2 egg omelette (cheese and ham) or 2 big pieces of toast with cheese. 500mL of milk Banana/apple Lunch: Big Vietnamese dish, big pasta dish, maybe 500g of a home cooked meal to fill me up OR when Im working, since I work at a pizza place and I get free pizza, 8~ slices of 180 calorie per slice pizza. Dinner Pizza pops/instant noodles, leftovers from lunch, or just a few pieces of bread with cheese, baloney baloney and whatnot. I really only drink water and the milk. Snacks Haha hmm, 3~ cheesestrings, 50-100g chocolate snack per day, carrots, the crunchy peas. And on workout days a can of 100g tuna as well. I guess the more I look at it, the more it seems like I'm not eating that much, but I'm not really sure what to change. add nuts and binge whenever u feel like, by keeping them next to the computer while browsing teamliquid (pistachios are fucking delicious aswell) | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:46 GoTuNk! wrote: add nuts and binge whenever u feel like, by keeping them next to the computer while browsing teamliquid (pistachios are fucking delicious aswell) I hear nuts have a LOT of sodium, is that not a problem? Especially taking them at such high portions? One package of instant noodles alone is 70%~ of my daily sodium as it is written on the label. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I hear nuts have a LOT of sodium, is that not a problem? Especially taking them at such high portions? One package of instant noodles alone is 70%~ of my daily sodium as it is written on the label. Sodium is not an issue for relatively healthy people. Eshlow posted why a while back. Adding 50-150g of them a day will add up to like 5k calories a week, and they are really easy to overeat. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I hear nuts have a LOT of sodium, is that not a problem? Especially taking them at such high portions? One package of instant noodles alone is 70%~ of my daily sodium as it is written on the label. If you're worried about sodium, its the noodles to lose, of the two. Why eat noodles or bread anyway? Anyone in this thread who has actually given Paleo a chance will tell you it's a great way to eat and you will definitely feel better on it. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On September 01 2011 21:35 Zafrumi wrote: isnt malinor diabetic? I might be mistaken, but I think he mentioned something like that. btw, hi guys :> been on holiday for a week and kinda busy since I came back, hence no posting! gotta start working out again too... On September 01 2011 21:53 phyre112 wrote: Pretty sure he is, yeah. That being why he mentioned that those numbers were without medication, and that he even checks his glucose. Pretty sure he mentioned a while back when he got it under control without the medication? Just woke up, already hungry. At least four more hours of fast, today is going to be a BITCH. I'll drink some water and try be busy so I ignore it... at least it isn't a workout day. Diabetes, like cardiovascular disease, is reversible *IF* there's not too much damage to the internal organs, arteries, etc. (pancreas for diabetes). Neurodegenerative disease can be reversed slightly as the brain does have some limited regenerative capability but not much. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:15 FiWiFaKi wrote: I am terrible at gaining weight, actually since I started working out I think I lost weight. It scares me because I don't want to eat a lot and gain 10 pounds in a week, but as it is, I'm not super healthy + I eat quite a lot. On a standard day it goes like this: Breakfast: 2 egg omelette (cheese and ham) or 2 big pieces of toast with cheese. 500mL of milk Banana/apple Lunch: Big Vietnamese dish, big pasta dish, maybe 500g of a home cooked meal to fill me up OR when Im working, since I work at a pizza place and I get free pizza, 8~ slices of 180 calorie per slice pizza. Dinner Pizza pops/instant noodles, leftovers from lunch, or just a few pieces of bread with cheese, baloney baloney and whatnot. I really only drink water and the milk. Snacks Haha hmm, 3~ cheesestrings, 50-100g chocolate snack per day, carrots, the crunchy peas. And on workout days a can of 100g tuna as well. I guess the more I look at it, the more it seems like I'm not eating that much, but I'm not really sure what to change. Eh, get rid of the processed food man. Pasta/pizza/instant noodles, etc. If you have no time to prepare anything make sure you cook extra on the weekend or night before so you can take some for lunch. Crock pots are great for throwing in meat, veggies, spices, and turning it on in the morning and coming home to a hot meal. On September 02 2011 00:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I hear nuts have a LOT of sodium, is that not a problem? Especially taking them at such high portions? One package of instant noodles alone is 70%~ of my daily sodium as it is written on the label. Sodium is not a problem for healthy individuals. e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin-angiotensin_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidiuretic_hormone Problem is when you start putting on a lot of weight your blood pressure shoots up and hormonal balance gets screwed with. People with chronically high BP often have kidney issues that may lead to renal failure. For example, if BP and other stuff gets out of whack it can kill off the glomerulus/glomeruli which start filtration in the kidneys -- if these die off you're screwed and need dialysis. For healthy individuals the body can regulate all of these systems fine. Same with protein, creatine, etc. which are also often cited for supposedly causing kidney issues. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
for 40g of hazelnuts, you get -230cal -16g fat (1.5 saturated) -16g carb (1g sugar, 3g fibre) -5g protein -0mg sodium Could always try these if you're still worried. I think they're good to eat? Hella delicious and easy to eat too (nothing to crack etc) e: how very odd.. looking on the hazelnut page on wiki, their macro split is way different. for 40g of hazelnuts, you get 24g fat, 6g carb, and 6g protein. How come mine have 3x the carbs and like half the fat? The ingredient list only says "filberts" so it's not like there's anything other than hazelnuts.. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On September 02 2011 02:28 JeeJee wrote: I snack on hazelnuts and looking at the nutritional information on the box right now: for 40g of hazelnuts, you get -230cal -16g fat (1.5 saturated) -16g carb (1g sugar, 3g fibre) -5g protein -0mg sodium Could always try these if you're still worried. I think they're good to eat? Hella delicious and easy to eat too (nothing to crack etc) e: how very odd.. looking on the hazelnut page on wiki, their macro split is way different. for 40g of hazelnuts, you get 24g fat, 6g carb, and 6g protein. How come mine have 3x the carbs and like half the fat? The ingredient list only says "filberts" so it's not like there's anything other than hazelnuts.. Wiki is probably more correct. Nuts have very little carbs in them. Even nuts that come in some of the cans and packages have sugars and other things added to them. That's why I always looked at the ingredient list. Even "real foods" you still only want a couple ingredients... | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 01 2011 16:02 decafchicken wrote: i just don't buy any carbs at all when i go shopping (except the ridiculous amount of milk i drink) and between that + beer/drunk food i come out to a somewhat reasonable diet :D ...drunk and eating pizza. i almost made it 48 hours without beer or processed food. damn you college. What exactly are you buying? I'm dirt poor, so I eat a lot of rice/pasta/bread to make up the calories. Typically I eat around 3500 calories a day, with a budget of about $70/week. I really want to GOMAD, but Milk is around $6 for 4L, so it would make up about half of my food budget every week to do so, so I usually I am drinking about 1.2L a day. A typical day: Breakfast (6:30am) 1-1/3 cup of Oatmeal Banana 300mL Milk -Work out- (7:30am) Lunch (~11am-12pm) 3 hard boiled eggs 2 Sandwiches- Ham, Cheese, Lettuce, Mayo, Mustard, Bread Apple 300mL Milk "Snack" (~4:00pm) Fried Rice- 1 cup of rice,1 carrot, peas, peanut oil, can of tuna, 1/3 onion, egg 300mL of Milk Dinner (~7:30-9:00pm) Spaghetti (however much I'm feeling like...)- Tomato sauce, tomato paste, spaghetti, onion, ground beef (or pork), green pepper, spices Salad- Lettuce, tomato, carrot, green pepper 300mL of Milk Really the only thing that changes from day to day is dinner, but I usually just end up having spaghetti... | ||
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 02 2011 03:21 emperorchampion wrote: What exactly are you buying? I'm dirt poor, so I eat a lot of rice/pasta/bread to make up the calories. Typically I eat around 3500 calories a day, with a budget of about $70/week. I really want to GOMAD, but Milk is around $6 for 4L, so it would make up about half of my food budget every week to do so, so I usually I am drinking about 1.2L a day. A typical day: Breakfast (6:30am) 1-1/3 cup of Oatmeal Banana 300mL Milk -Work out- (7:30am) Lunch (~11am-12pm) 3 hard boiled eggs 2 Sandwiches- Ham, Cheese, Lettuce, Mayo, Mustard, Bread Apple 300mL Milk "Snack" (~4:00pm) Fried Rice- 1 cup of rice,1 carrot, peas, peanut oil, can of tuna, 1/3 onion, egg 300mL of Milk Dinner (~7:30-9:00pm) Spaghetti (however much I'm feeling like...)- Tomato sauce, tomato paste, spaghetti, onion, ground beef (or pork), green pepper, spices Salad- Lettuce, tomato, carrot, green pepper 300mL of Milk Really the only thing that changes from day to day is dinner, but I usually just end up having spaghetti... Personally I drink a quart to a half gallon of milk most days, but it's much less than $6 per gallon here. more like 2.50 last I paid attention? o_o I paid about $70 for twelve days worth of groceries... and then I'd eat take out every saturday. Days where I cook (I eat at a dining hall on campus right now) my meals looked like this: Breakfast - 4 eggs, 4 strips of bacon - Green tea and some whole milk (~2 cups?) Lunch - Hamburger, fish filet, turkey or chicken. 8-10 ounces. - one cup of vegetables (broccoli, carrots, spinach, salad, etc.) - 2-4 cups whole milk Dinner - 10-16 ounces chicken breast - one cup of vegetables (usually steamed broccoli) - 2-4 cups whole milk Through the day I would drink water, and snack on up to ~5 ounces of unsalted almonds (anything salted is done so heavily it burns my mouth. I don't use much salt on anything anymore) Before bed - 4 ounces of Tuna or 1 cup greek yogurt Occasionally drunk food - chips and salsa, frozen pizza, sandwiches, etc but probably no more than once a week? @kaisr no such thing as hard gainers, just people who eat more and who eat less. If you start to count your calories, I'm sure you'll be surprised how you stack up to anyone else of a similar size to you. Given the size, I would assume you eat very similarly to what I do, which is just a bit less than listed above. That diet put 30 pounds on me over two months (135 lbs in october, 165 pounds in december) and since then, I've gained 10 more. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
I really need to get my hands on a copy of The Paleo Solution in the meantime :/ | ||
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:05 Sinep wrote: I am dead serious. You don't need to be healthy at ALL to lose weight. Ever hear of the guy doing the twinkie diet? I'm not saying that's a good approach, because it's awful, but the point is it worked. Even if you eat sugar as your only carb source, as long as you're at a kcal deficit you will lose fat. It doesn't matter if those 1000kcal of sugar spiked your insulin and triggered bodyfat storing throughout the day, because at the end of the day you've still burned your BMR. It really is about kcal vs kcal out if you dumb it completely down. Insulin spikes do not affect the metabolism in any way. For weight loss, there is NO difference between your calories. For health, there's a huge difference, but we are talking strictly fat loss here. I also think you misunderstand the term 'dieting'. I'm not talking about a lifestyle approach that will result in a piss poor fat loss rate, I'm talking about 8-12 solid weeks of a good program that will net you the fat loss people dream of. Honestly, you come here spouting bullshit bodybuilding myths that never had any scientific merit but I don't think you've ever been through a diet yourself. You lack evidence, credibility, experience and your attitude does you no favours. If you want to lose weight by eating nothing but twinkies then go ahead. That's fucking moronic. The whole point of losing weight is to do it in such a way as can be easily sustained in the future. What myths am I spouting by the way? There's different school of thought, that doesn't mean any of them are wrong. You don't think I've ever done diets well good on you, you seem to know how I live my life. And how the fuck would you have any idea about my experience? Buddy, you're the one with the attitude problem, I'm pissed off now because you're treating me like an idiot whilst making yourself look like one. Tbh I don't know why I even bothered replying to you in the first place, it seems a reasonable discussion between adults is something beyond the limits of your thinking. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Chin ups +40 lbs x 5-5-5 Lat Pulldowns 130 x 10-10-8.5 Seated OH Press 100 x 4 80 x 7-5 Lying Rear Delt Row 75 x 10-10-10 Ab Pullovers 110 x 10-8-10 Standing Calves 200 x 15-13-12 --- Overall, a good session. I think I found out how I'm messing up my OH press; as soon as I begin the lift off, I begin to bring the bar out and forward, kinda wavering it, and I think it is messing up my shoulder. I was gonna go for another rep on the 100 pounds, but it felt strange and I could tell I was kind of pushing it. Back to icing it, perhaps even dropping the weight down to work on technique. Ugh. Sucks. lol Other than that! Good session. I like the rear delt rows, nice lift. Got to chapter 3 or 4 on that skip DVD. Obviously a lot of the training doesn't apply to me, but I still will follow some of his advice (esp the stretching, I love the stretching. Gives me more energy/power in my lifts). On a side note, I'd really recommend everybody check out Skip's Longevity DVD, free on youtube. Here is the intro video: I'm only on chapter 2 or 3, and a lot of what he is saying simply doesn't apply to me training wise, but other than that it is full of useful information. The videos range from 5-6 minutes all the way to over an hour. Overview of his training so far: - Volume progression rather than weight progression. - uses abbrevated ROM on certain exercises for certain reasons (See video; mostly due to injuries) - Pre-exhaustion before compound movements (in some cases) - Warms up a shit ton - Bitches about being old (just to warn us  )So far I also saw the stretching chapter, which really has helped me out in the past week that I've implemented it. I recommend everybody give that chapter a view, if not the whole thing. Obviously most of y'all would skip the posing video and what not. It is primarily a bodybuilding DVD, but he still has knowledge that applies to everybody. Furthermore, he has a precontest diet called skiploading, which is worth looking into for those going into bodybuilding or want to be super lean. Also nice to see the subtle differences that differentiate each weightlifting school (ex: grip) lol Maybe I'll do a full write up after it is all said and done :D After all, we are looking to include more than just olympic/power lifting in hurrr. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20078 Posts
On September 02 2011 05:25 exShikari wrote: If you want to lose weight by eating nothing but twinkies then go ahead. That's fucking moronic. The whole point of losing weight is to do it in such a way as can be easily sustained in the future. What myths am I spouting by the way? There's different school of thought, that doesn't mean any of them are wrong. You don't think I've ever done diets well good on you, you seem to know how I live my life. And how the fuck would you have any idea about my experience? Buddy, you're the one with the attitude problem, I'm pissed off now because you're treating me like an idiot whilst making yourself look like one. Tbh I don't know why I even bothered replying to you in the first place, it seems a reasonable discussion between adults is something beyond the limits of your thinking. you literally almost agreed with him word for word then went off on a rant...just calm down dude. | ||
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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