On August 25 2011 02:04 Bleak wrote: The talks I've had with my dietician really erred me from attempting bodybuilding. She basically says that if I'm gonna start it, I better commit to it and keep it up my entire life because once I stopped it, the extra skin would look terrible. She also warns me away from using those protein shakes/bars or whatever and taking too much protein would have long term consequences such as kidney damage and liver problems.
Uhh, what? Is there really that kind of risk in protein intake?
Here is a study from 2010 about it, high protein intake enlarged the pigs' kidneys and resulted renal damage. From what I've read from other studies, especially if you have an existing condition (even if a mild one) it just puts much strain on kidneys and causes damage.
It's abstract I know, but I'm not a member to the site so...
I have experience with this first hand. I was taking protein shakes in high school (note i was probably only 120 lbs, so for different bodies it will be different ) while working out and I had really bad pains in my abdomen that night and the next morningbelow my stomach. I ended up being able to barely walk ended up staying in the hospital overnight with IV pumping water into me .I remember the doctor explaining it that my muscles were rejecting all the protein and my kidneys couldn't handle it.Was out the next morning though. They initially thought it was some sort of muscle problem but nothing ever happened again so I guess it was nothing. Also I remember drinking at least 3 bottles of water a day. But if your gunna take enough protein to be excess make sure to drink lots and lots of water 8-10 glasses a day at least to help your kidneys process it.
This would only happen if you take too much protein shakes right?
@The EG Video: God damnit idra benches more than me. This cannot be allowed. I'm going to dedicate one of my goals to beat his bench!
@the protein controversy: Martin (leangains guy) posted a study that had elite athletes eating 300+ grams of protein a day. They found that lifting prevented the metabolic acidosis from the excessive protein.
I can find the study if you really want me to (But you'll have to pay me in chalk and straps :D)
when i first saw this video i had anorexia but epic meal time healed me and now i just love watching epic meal time and eating some juicy fucking bacon and loads of meat! MrBlases 1 hora enrere
Today marks my one month workout regime. I haven't missed a single workout, and I've lifted weights every second day for the last 31. I am super happy with my progress, in the last month I went from (all in reps of 5-6)
Benchpress --> 105 to 145 Deadlift --> 155 to 235 Squat --> 135 to 205 Sitting Press --> 65 to 95 Pull-ups --> 3 to 15
And my all my regular lifts all went up 25% - 50%. I have put in tons of effort, and I'm soo happy to be seeing results, not eating junk food, getting 9-10 hours of sleep every night. Completely changing around my eating schedule, more physical exercise.
Before the month I weighed in at 146 pounds, now I am at 156. Some brag/motivation pictures of my progress:
I'm only 17, and I hope to be lifting what so of you are in a few years. And if anyone is wondering, I am doing a mixed SS + isolation program designed by me uncle. Cheers
I still feel like a popcicle stick, but if you saw the older pictures you'd see the huge difference (:
And as for current goals, Im hoping to finish my program at the end of 2011 and helpfully weigh 170 pounds. I'm not really sure what to expect for numbers, so I don't want to set them, but what the hell, set my standards high, so I have something to work for.
On August 25 2011 04:15 phyre112 wrote: Machine... not sure. The more i watch it, the more I think he has it. There's definitely a pause at the bottom there, it's not a real bounce. Inc - well we all know that Inc's benched more previously.
Machine was holding his breath too long, I think. He should have started exhaling as he reached the sticking point. Usually works for me
WOW Malinor. Made that lift look easy! I wonder if Decaf can still beat you... he's been focusing pretty hard on the Oly lifts. What have you been doing (especially for your deads) since you finished up with SS? Also, that's a pretty narrow stance you use. Any particular reason for it?
I am 9 weeks into Texas Method right now, but I may very likely change some things around. I normally do 5x5 Squats and 1x5 Deadlifts on tuesday, but I am very likely gonna split that up and move deads to thursday. SS is basically 1x5 every 5 days, while TM is 1x5 every 7 days. Just deadlift regularly and work the living hell out of your squats, that seems to work for me. And the barefoot lifting is just awesome, should have done this earlier. My stance is so narrow because it feels extremely comfortable, that is the only reason... I actually sometimes squat with a stance that is barely wider than this, it gives me the most depth.
In the spoiler I have the 200kgx5 set I did before this lift... it felt extremely easy. I only wanted to go for 230kg initially, but the easy 5RM plus decafs post challenged me. + Show Spoiler +
I am actually sure that Decaf has a couple of more lb in him already, but I am not sleeping either... And sjarl has to eat a little bit more to get there
PS: the lift wasn't easy by any means, but I am glad it looked that way.
The eating part is doing great for me atm, I saw 97,5kgs on the scale today (clothed but w/e).
Can wait to start pulling again. Wont stop until I get 250kg.
@FiWiFaKi: Nice to see you improve on all your lifts. Just stick too this for 2 more years and you'll look back and laugh at your current physique. Also, continue "bulking".
On August 25 2011 02:04 Bleak wrote: The talks I've had with my dietician really erred me from attempting bodybuilding. She basically says that if I'm gonna start it, I better commit to it and keep it up my entire life because once I stopped it, the extra skin would look terrible. She also warns me away from using those protein shakes/bars or whatever and taking too much protein would have long term consequences such as kidney damage and liver problems.
Other than that, I have 11 kgrms of excess body water, which I need to lose. My body fat ratio is 24%, so it's pretty great if you think how much excess water I have.
Yeah, your skin is gonna be fine. Your skin might tear if you gain too much weight too quickly, but there are ways to prevent that (also some oils against it or sth., a google search should do). Loose skin should never be a problem, because at 24% bodyfat, you might not even become bigger but you will just look bigger because everything is more defined and the fat vanishes. You lose water while you lose fat. 11kg excess, what does that even mean? Maybe it will go away if you stop drinking anything for three days straight... -.- The protein stuff is also non-sense, as eshlow will probably point out at some point today. You probably should find yourself a new dietician.
I'm sorry but, together with her I've lost 36 kilograms of weight in two years and she has a degree from Stanford University, so she knows what she's talking about.
The excess body water is stored in your cells and everywhere throughout your body, the ones that are visible to the eye (like the excess water in your feet etc.) are a result of disease and complications, so it's different.
She told me that I should drink as much green tea, at least 2,5 litres of water per day, exercise, stay away from salty foods, soya sauce, and alcohol. That's pretty much about it.
Also, when you first start losing weight, you lose the water first, if you continue with the diet, the fat starts to go away too. So shit like Protein Diet is not only useless, but harmful, you will gain back the lost weight if you don't continue for long-term, and continuing with long term will wreck your kidneys and liver.
On August 25 2011 02:04 Bleak wrote: The talks I've had with my dietician really erred me from attempting bodybuilding. She basically says that if I'm gonna start it, I better commit to it and keep it up my entire life because once I stopped it, the extra skin would look terrible. She also warns me away from using those protein shakes/bars or whatever and taking too much protein would have long term consequences such as kidney damage and liver problems.
Uhh, what? Is there really that kind of risk in protein intake?
Here is a study from 2010 about it, high protein intake enlarged the pigs' kidneys and resulted renal damage. From what I've read from other studies, especially if you have an existing condition (even if a mild one) it just puts much strain on kidneys and causes damage.
It's abstract I know, but I'm not a member to the site so...
But there are other studies that claim otherwise, so clearly more research is needed. But it seems like at least in people with an existing condition, it could cause damage.
1. Generally speaking as was stated before humans can operate about 30-40% protein intake of total kcals fine. Unless you're a BBer trying to cut for a competition I wouldn't go more than about 1.5g/lbs protein total per day. 1g/lbs is pretty good and safe for most athletic and weight loss populations.
If you are doing high protein make sure to drink enough water to help the kidneys process.
2. "High" protein diets are safe for anyone who does not have any preexisting kidney issues. More or less the same as supplementing with creatine and whatnot.
Anything with nitrogen in it can have deleterious effects on the kidneys in too much quantities; however, that tends to be people with preexisting conditions.
3. I'm glad that she has been a positive effect on your life. However:
Degrees don't mean much to be honest. They tell you that someone has gone through school; however, the quality of people in health related professions vastly differs widely including docs, physical therapists, chiros, dieticians, etc. I'd even include personal trainers in this category, and their variance is very high too.
There's people in this thread who have lost they weight you have lost in less than 6 months.
I don't say any of that to make you feel bad or anything, but there are things that are extremely effective and safe like Paleo to help improve health. I hope that's what you are/were doing is at least similar to something like that.
4. Salt is not really an issue for healthy people.
You're not really obese anymore so I don't think you should worry about it, but I guess right now it's something to keep in mind. It's better to focus on eating quality foods than thinking about eliminating things like that though.
Water weight doesn't make much of a difference either tbh; it will drop as your weight drops.
On August 25 2011 05:25 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: A serious question:
What's the secret to spotting a friend during their benchpress without permeating their nostrils with the overpowering smell of sweaty balls? What about vice versa when I'm the one doing the lift and not wanting to get a nosefull? Coincidentally, my spotter is always telling me to breathe deeply.
1. Deodorant your balls? 2. Deodorant their balls? 3. Valsalva or force exhale during the lift... you can have them stand back until you're ready to do the lift as well (same for #2.. just making a joke there )
On August 25 2011 03:38 glurio wrote: Has someone a good explanation of the deadlift variatons? (Technique, what muscles are hit exactly etc.) I need to replace deadlift once a week with something that hits the lower back. Suggestions are welcome. Just can't seem to handle backsquat twice and deadlift twice a week.
Well, depends on your goals and your current lifts....
Power cleans could be good, so could something like RDLs. Another day of squatting may not be bad either.
Would have to know more information on goals and current routine
On August 25 2011 03:37 Mementoss wrote: Today i was squatting and my left should was sore, not sure if it was from the squats or the bench press from monday. It doesnt feel like a muscular sore, just like sore on the bone joint. I read somewhere that having a wider grip might help this?? Or maybe Im just somehow favouring one side while racking the bar? Any help would be appreciated.
Soreness.. inside the joint? On the bone? Impingement?
Generally speaking the bar should rest on a shelf of muscle made by retracting the scapulas. If it was on the bone making it sore that could be the issue that you need to fix.
If not, wider grip would make sense if your shoulder is getting jammed up, or potentially fixing your wrist position if it's not optimal.
Have you read any techniques on squatting like Starting Strength?
Basically i'm gonna switch in 2 weeks to an Upper/Lower split, ABxABxx. So far i'm thinking: A1: Bench, Row, Incline Bench, Chins, Barbell Curl, French Press B1: Squat, Deadlift, Leg Press, Leg Curl, Calves, Abs A2: Bench, Row, OHP/Dips, Chins/Pulldowns, Curl, Rear-Side Delt B2: Squat, Deadlift Variaton(Lower Back), Leg Press, Leg Curl, Calves, Abs
Trying to build in some periodization, need to bring up chest and biceps for the first cycle. (And my squat, i move no weight in it. ) It's still a work in progress to be honest. First time no bro-split and first time periodization so help is greatly appreciated.
Goal is bodybuilding oriented. Don't care much about strength. I'm currently above intermediate at every compound but squat, according to http://www.strstd.com/ at least.
On August 25 2011 03:37 Mementoss wrote: Today i was squatting and my left should was sore, not sure if it was from the squats or the bench press from monday. It doesnt feel like a muscular sore, just like sore on the bone joint. I read somewhere that having a wider grip might help this?? Or maybe Im just somehow favouring one side while racking the bar? Any help would be appreciated.
Soreness.. inside the joint? On the bone? Impingement?
Generally speaking the bar should rest on a shelf of muscle made by retracting the scapulas. If it was on the bone making it sore that could be the issue that you need to fix.
If not, wider grip would make sense if your shoulder is getting jammed up, or potentially fixing your wrist position if it's not optimal.
Have you read any techniques on squatting like Starting Strength?[/QUOTE]
I have but I will re-read, I try to put in on muscles as much as possible but it seems hard to bring it any lower without the weight feeling like I will drop it.
On August 25 2011 03:37 Mementoss wrote: Today i was squatting and my left should was sore, not sure if it was from the squats or the bench press from monday. It doesnt feel like a muscular sore, just like sore on the bone joint. I read somewhere that having a wider grip might help this?? Or maybe Im just somehow favouring one side while racking the bar? Any help would be appreciated.
Soreness.. inside the joint? On the bone? Impingement?
Generally speaking the bar should rest on a shelf of muscle made by retracting the scapulas. If it was on the bone making it sore that could be the issue that you need to fix.
If not, wider grip would make sense if your shoulder is getting jammed up, or potentially fixing your wrist position if it's not optimal.
Have you read any techniques on squatting like Starting Strength?
I have but I will re-read, I try to put in on muscles as much as possible but it seems hard to bring it any lower without the weight feeling like I will drop it.
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Its sore there on that part of the bone just on the left shoulder though for some reason.. Maybe try to get bar just an inch lower?
My wrist has been aching again, ONLY with bench press. I can OHP, Side press, Pull ups, without pain. However I want to participate at a powerlifting meet in 13 weeks and I fucking miss BP aswell. I can also deadlift heavy (twice++ bodyweight w/o problem)
Today I tried BP with wrist graps and I had no pain at all. Is it ok to train like that till meeting as long as there is no pain? Would you advice on wearing one or both? I don't really care about complete rehab as long as I dont hurt my wrist. I will have plenty of time for that after meet.
On August 25 2011 03:37 Mementoss wrote: Today i was squatting and my left should was sore, not sure if it was from the squats or the bench press from monday. It doesnt feel like a muscular sore, just like sore on the bone joint. I read somewhere that having a wider grip might help this?? Or maybe Im just somehow favouring one side while racking the bar? Any help would be appreciated.
Soreness.. inside the joint? On the bone? Impingement?
Generally speaking the bar should rest on a shelf of muscle made by retracting the scapulas. If it was on the bone making it sore that could be the issue that you need to fix.
If not, wider grip would make sense if your shoulder is getting jammed up, or potentially fixing your wrist position if it's not optimal.
Have you read any techniques on squatting like Starting Strength?
I have but I will re-read, I try to put in on muscles as much as possible but it seems hard to bring it any lower without the weight feeling like I will drop it.
EDIT*
Its sore there on that part of the bone just on the left shoulder though for some reason.. Maybe try to get bar just an inch lower?
High bar squat is OK if LBBS is killing your shoulders
On August 25 2011 08:58 glurio wrote: Basically i'm gonna switch in 2 weeks to an Upper/Lower split, ABxABxx. So far i'm thinking: A1: Bench, Row, Incline Bench, Chins, Barbell Curl, French Press B1: Squat, Deadlift, Leg Press, Leg Curl, Calves, Abs A2: Bench, Row, OHP/Dips, Chins/Pulldowns, Curl, Rear-Side Delt B2: Squat, Deadlift Variaton(Lower Back), Leg Press, Leg Curl, Calves, Abs
Trying to build in some periodization, need to bring up chest and biceps for the first cycle. (And my squat, i move no weight in it. ) It's still a work in progress to be honest. First time no bro-split and first time periodization so help is greatly appreciated.
Goal is bodybuilding oriented. Don't care much about strength. I'm currently above intermediate at every compound but squat, according to http://www.strstd.com/ at least.
Need more pulling/rowing exercises. One for every pressing. So you won't imbalance your shoulders and potentially get injuries
Otherwise, looks fine. May not be a bad idea to do something like reverse hypers or good mornings or something. But depends on if you can maintain good form for the latter
My wrist has been aching again, ONLY with bench press. I can OHP, Side press, Pull ups, without pain. However I want to participate at a powerlifting meet in 13 weeks and I fucking miss BP aswell. I can also deadlift heavy (twice++ bodyweight w/o problem)
Today I tried BP with wrist graps and I had no pain at all. Is it ok to train like that till meeting as long as there is no pain? Would you advice on wearing one or both? I don't really care about complete rehab as long as I dont hurt my wrist. I will have plenty of time for that after meet.
Yeah that's fine.
I would do some rehab near the end of your training sessions though.. it's not like it will make it worse.
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