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On August 17 2011 10:09 Ludrik wrote:Find a tree with a branch that you've got to jump to reach. Jump up and do a pullup. Repeat. Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 09:37 ZhenMiChan wrote:
Hello Everyone
I have been going to the gym with friends for about 2 weeks now, and i must say my body is starting to look kick ass already!
Age: 22 || Height: 174cm || Weight: 65kg
Starting Date: 08-01-2011
My goals is to look and feel healthy for myself and my girlfriend, the problem is you get so much information and opinions on how to train and what to eat that sometimes i really have no idea what to do.
I will start by reading Starting Strength and from there on i hope to receive good advice on how to advance in training my body.
Hopefully after this i will be able to make a good plan.. I'm making this post because it will help me keep motivated to update it in the future!
Good luck man! Keep yourself motivated and set some goals with numbers. You'll feel more focused if you're working toward say a 120kg squat rather than merely working on your squats.
But wow that's going to take atleast 2 years. I'm willing to workout but some of my friends have been working out for 1 year and are not even at 120kg yet ( I know these guys are not always serious, do drink and eat whatever they like and have no real goal )
is there any where i can get a plan or info on how to grow and make progress?
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here's a plan: eat a ton, lift heavy three times a week, increase the weight steadily and have specific goals in kg!
it took me like 3-4 months to take my squat from 60kg to 130kg by doing starting strength. see OP if that is something that you might be interested in
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hmm one question to people doing HIIT.
Do you guys do it after lifting on it between or on off-days?
How does it work :o? I'm curious, cause I don't know when to do it, I can do it after lifting, in between lifts and so on. Best practice is..?
I've been doing planks, (I can hold my plank for 60secs now)  . should I add more weight, or try to keep it for longer?
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well, I wouldnt recommend doing it between lifts really. just do it at the end of your workout or on offdays.
I wouldnt add weight until you can hold a plank for 2-3 minutes imo!
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Back, tomorrow to gym!
It was warm...too warm 35degrees+
Was 90kg-91kg before i left, now i weighterd myself for 87kg. Guess i have some training to do again.
Ate almost all good food, sliped few meals, but its hard when they bring you warm bread, dunno which grains were used, but the bread were a bit yellowish.
No subforum yet still? :/ Need to slap some admin ass.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2011 22:32 hemipepsis5p wrote:
I just want to fit in and be a gooded poster. Anything controversial that makes people madded isn't acceptable. I want to be on daddy's good sideeeee! Admins please accept me, your response to my posts is DIRECTLY related to my self esteem! Please forum gods TAKE MEEE! TAKEEE MEEEEEEE! *storm starts and wind starts blowing, in a moonlit night* ACCEPT MEEEEEEEEE! SHOW MEE THE WAYSSS OF THE PROPERRRR POSTTTTT!
Please please admins, make an AI program of your BWAMES so I can submit my possible post to it and have it blessed off before I submit it. *Macy Gray Voice* Your royal FATNESSES APPROVAL IS SO IMPORTANT TO MEEEEEEEE!
No for real though. You admins have everything about life completely figured out, maybe you could start some kind of phone hotline?
Also I like the Admins response to me, "Your posting thus far has been horrible"
What are we playing fucking Tennis here? "That serve was horrible." Is there a proper "form" for emotional output into a forum?
Fuck these elitist admins with their poor logic skills and smug reactions. Rofl, you spent so much time on a forum they made you a moderator. That's like spending so much time in a crackhouse that you stop paying rent. If you could sum up how they feel about themselves in two words, it would be "Perfect Poster"
No no just a smidge of guilt here, just a dash of rationality there, a touch of controversy here, a little bit of comic relief annnddd YES! I HAVE CREATED THE PERFECT FORUM POST! TIME TO SEND IT OUT TO THE WORLD AND RECEIVE A BOOST DIRECTLY TO MY SELF ESTEEM VIA MY PERFECTLY CRAFTED VESSEL! Admins get in this cycle and they need the fix, the superiority. So pathetic. Whatever. To aid your ego I will become what you think I actually am, here, one sec, *ahem* FUCK YOU I KILL YO MOMMA YOU IGNANT CHANGE DAT BABYS DIAPER there, now ban me and feel superior
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lol @ hemi. What is this, I don't even.
@Funkie: I'd do it after your lifting or off days. IIRC, doing it after lifting has a greater affect on fat loss. Then again, you'd probably be able to go harder on an off day compared to after lifting. So depending on what you think would be more efficient.
@The SS/Paleo deboracle (Yes, debate/oracle. No need for the word oracle, but I wanted to make up a word)
I think I have to agree with the SS/Paleo mantra is getting out of hand; I try to help people out regardless of want they want. There are two reasons I continue to recommend SS when starting out almost regardless. The first one being that SS (Or SL) will get your strength up fast. In my opinion, most programs are worthwhile on after you get strong enough to make them worthwhile. For example, 15 pound dumbbells compared to 40 used for lateral raises will make a huge difference. My strength standards aren't even that high: 1.5x bw deadlift, 1x Squat, and either .75 or 1x BW for bench. Then you can make whatever switch you want.
The other reason is just to teach proper technique. I've said it multiple times, but most good programs will include all the lifts you learn in SS/SL. This goes across the board for most of the weight lifting sports (Strongman, Powerlifting, Bodybuilding, Crossfit, ect) so I think it is wise to at least get them down so you learn the technique and can do it safely.
As I'm writing this, it has also come to my mind the mental fortitude it teaches you. But that is another subject, so I won't dabble in to it.
Still, I'll help a person out any way they want, as I did for bdicktam (spelling?), yet if they do ask me for the most efficient way of course I'll point them to SS, tell them to do it for awhile, then switch to whatever they want. Because by then, they'll have the knowledge to do that themselves.
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thanks for all the replies guys. You rule.
IN other news, I need new jeans. Current ones don't..fit me ?
Piernas muy grandes :3
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Alright TL... I need your help!
First off let me explain myself:
I'm 20, M, 6'0 at around ~177 lbs.
My goals are to lose weight and just overall feel fit. A bit muscle definition wouldn't be too bad either lol.
I go to college and have access to the gym there, however only on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
What I need to know, is what workouts should I do?
I plan on changing my diet to a more healthy one. (ie. no more Del Taco for lunch ^^)
Any suggestions?
Oh and when I am at home, I have access to 20 lb dumbbells, pull up bar, 40 ft. swimming pool, and a tread-meal.
Thanks for all the help!
Edit: Let me rephrase to avoid confusion:
Before asking you guys for help, I tried googling workouts and this(+ Show Spoiler +) is the only one I found that had some explanation/didn't require me to purchase something.
I am completely open to what advice I am given as I am trying to find the most efficient workout routine that fits with my 2 days/week schedule.
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Looks decent, but you will really have problems doing circuits in a commercial gym. Most people dont like it when you hog 4 things at once.
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On August 19 2011 01:22 LovE-z33k wrote:Alright TL... I need your help! First off let me explain myself: I'm 20, M, 6'0 at around ~177 lbs. My goals are to lose weight and just overall feel fit. A bit muscle definition wouldn't be too bad either lol. I go to college and have access to the gym there, however only on Tuesdays and Thursdays. What I need to know, is what workouts should I do? I plan on changing my diet to a more healthy one. (ie. no more Del Taco for lunch ^^) Any suggestions? Oh and when I am at home, I have access to 20 lb dumbbells, pull up bar, 40 ft. swimming pool, and a tread-meal. Thanks for all the help! Edit: I did google 2 day workouts and this is probably the easiest to understand for me http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/bonus_article_twoday_workout;jsessionid=424C9714A2AE1E53A4D70F19754D8499-mcd01.hydra
Pick exercises that work as many muscle groups as possible (squats, deadlift, bench, pullups/row). You'll be working a lot harder and get better results than doing exercises that only target one muscle group (example: bicep curls).
In response to the link you posted, there is nothing wrong with cardio. High intensity running such as interval training does burn more calories yes, and you should try to get that in atleast twice a week. But don't think that cardio is bad, it's incredibly healthy and useful. Interval training (HIIT, wiki that sucker) also puts you at risk of injury, so be careful if you try it. Avoid using a treadmill.  If there's a track, grassy field or even a dirt road run on that instead. The only thing a treadmill may be better than is concrete, but that's not complimenting the treadmill in any way lol.
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Always ask for goals.
If their goals fall in line with SS and/or Paleo (which is the case about 80-90% of the time) I am going to recommend it over splits, cardio, etc.
If that is "out of hand" or "overboard" then so be it.
If people don't want to listen then it's on them to figure out what they want to do. I will still make suggestions, but when you don't follow the advice of people who have more experience than you in working towards specific goals I mean why are you going to ask advice from them in the first place?
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for people who try to better themselves and their health in endurance sports. I don't hate cardio. I don't hate splits. Each thing has it's time and place depending on different goals.
However, it is honestly a sign of disrespect to ask for advice then ignore it and continue to do your own thing thinking you know better or are absolutely going to do something just because.
Also, if people have specific questions for me, then put @eshlow or something in your post because I'm having a hard time keeping up with the thread as well! I mostly just skim nowadays and thus miss questions sometimes.
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+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On August 07 2011 03:45 Civilkurage wrote:
Hey!
I've been training for quite some time now, but lately I've noticed a disturbing piece of news: I do not gain weight though I really should. While I'm much stronger than I was mere months ago, I'm increasingly worried about my wieght which seems to be unhealthily low. Worse: after returning from a period of sickness, I have usually lost 2 kilos.
Here are some facts about me and my training regimen.
Age: 19
Weight: 67kilos (though it was 69kilos 3 weeks ago.... I've been sick and unable to train)
Height: 184cm
My goal is 70-71 kilos
Training: 5-6 times a week.
2 Times at the gym (Breast+biceps // Back+triceps // Legs+shoulders)
3 times swimming (Rocking crawl only and mixing in some intervals)
1 Running//bicycle
Starting september I will be doing more running and less swimming.
I have also started doing different variations of pull-ups every morning before breakfast,
Foodstuffs:
Breakfast
2 Cooked meals a day, very varied. I always try to eat some more after feeling completely full, since if I want to gain weight I need to eat more. (Though this is not working.)
And usually 1-2 small meals inbetween consisting of mostly bread.
Hey again!
I'm now back from some well deserved vacation and since it was some time ago i decided to quote my earlier post.
I remember lots of recommendations to start with a full-body routine, so I decided to go for Stronglifts 5x5 program. I will do as the site recommends (3 gym sessions a week). However, I can not imagine going on living without swimming or jogging. I know Stronglift's outspoken aversion to cardio, but I need it. How should I work in that into my training schedule? (As in, what days is it possible for me to train cardio and swimming if I go to the gym monday/wednesday/friday)
Also, I have a question regarding technique: what grip should I use when I deadlift? I had ma old dad help me with the lifts I had not already done. Back in the day, the heavy lifters at his gym used a mixed grip. Is that the best way to do it?
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Try fitting in cardio on your rest days. Leave sunday out, do nothing on sunday. (Or Saturday, or any other day you want to do nothing, just have one day to fully recover.)
Use double overhand till you can't handle it anymore, switch to hook grip or mixed grip then.
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On August 18 2011 10:11 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:On August 18 2011 08:27 Malinor wrote:
bdictkam linked a 3minute infomercial, where the findings of some study were presented on some graph, without any sources. He then went on to say that eshlow's articles was 'people stating their opinion on repitition range', which pretty much showed that he did not read beyond the first paragraph. After I pointed this out he called my "that narrow-minded individual" and then went apeshit and cursed his way out of here. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.
It has gotten kind of old that on every page 2-3 posts are "Do starting strength" and I agree that this is pretty repetitive and can be viewed as elitist. Personally, if someone likes 3x8 more or wants to run every day, or prefers to weight 150lb at 6'0, I am not telling him that what he is doing is wrong.
That this thread has gotten pretty one-sided and repetitive is not really our fault. We requested an extra forum and we didn't get it. By now this is basically a weightlifting and paleo thread. I still participate here even though the paleo-love in here annoys me a little bit. But for newbies all this stuff is probably pretty overwhelming and confusing when they get told from the get-go that everything they have been doing so far is wrong and they should change everything. I don't know how to solve this, but probably not with one giant thread.
Just some random thoughts on the state of this thread, probably a little bit confusing. To be fair, the video did link sources -- actual studies. I linked them in the thread. Unfortunately they're not good studies (imho), but to say that there were no sources is *cue glados voice* an outright fabrication. Just rewatched the video, now that makes me look stupid, nicely ordered references at the end. Probably skipped the last 5seconds the last time. Besides that a) the informational value of this infomercial is lackluster (in the end it is still 3 minutes long) and of course he did not read the original sources and b) it still does not make me feel bad for him. He just cursed and screamed like an immature child because somebody did call him out on something. Not quite sure what you needed the 'cue glados voice' part for, but at least it makes you look smart.
Apologizes if I worded my post badly -- it was just a joke, nothing more; I find glados voice funny
On August 18 2011 18:54 Ludrik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:Speaking of studies, a friend linked me to an old study regarding milk, which can be found here: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/139/5/493.shortSadly, this is one of the few journals that I don't have access to, so I can't actually read it. Which is annoying because I really want to see how they went about doing what they claim they did in the abstract. The thing that caught my eye in particular is the claim that Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. If anyone does have access to it, I'd appreciate a link to the full text of the study. Hey I just uploaded it to my dropbox. I'll probably take it back down after a week or two. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24240927/case-control study of risk factors for hip fractures in the elderly.pdfI only skimmed it but this table seems relevent. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XEmYY.png) and this paragraph Show nested quote +
However, the quality of recalled data on dairy products and physical activity
is questionable (25, 27-30, 32), and so our results for these two exposures should be
interpreted with great caution. We assessed the reproducibility of long-term recall in a
sample of our study subjects (33), but have no information on the validity of our exposure
data, nor do we know whether validity differed between cases and controls. Differential
exposure misclassification between cases and controls is a real possibility in this
study, given that cases tended to be older and in generally poorer health than the controls.
Any tendency for cases to overestimate their dairy product consumption when they were young, for example, could explain our finding of an association between milk and cheese consumption and an increased risk of hip fracture.
Thanks for this, I'll read it later tonight in full. First impression though is that they just asked them what they did when they were ~20 years old? Not sure how many people can actually answer the question of "hey, how much milk did you drink forty years ago?". Makes me frown... still, will read in detail later.
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I take protein shakes everyday and I am wondering, is it bad to put a raw egg inside it?
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On August 19 2011 03:19 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
I take protein shakes everyday and I am wondering, is it bad to put a raw egg inside it?
Nahh, you get more from the egg though if you cook it.
I think the bioavailability (the amount of nutrition you get from it) is about 50% if it is raw while cooked eggs give about 95%.
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On August 19 2011 03:05 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:11 Malinor wrote:On August 18 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:On August 18 2011 08:27 Malinor wrote:
bdictkam linked a 3minute infomercial, where the findings of some study were presented on some graph, without any sources. He then went on to say that eshlow's articles was 'people stating their opinion on repitition range', which pretty much showed that he did not read beyond the first paragraph. After I pointed this out he called my "that narrow-minded individual" and then went apeshit and cursed his way out of here. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.
It has gotten kind of old that on every page 2-3 posts are "Do starting strength" and I agree that this is pretty repetitive and can be viewed as elitist. Personally, if someone likes 3x8 more or wants to run every day, or prefers to weight 150lb at 6'0, I am not telling him that what he is doing is wrong.
That this thread has gotten pretty one-sided and repetitive is not really our fault. We requested an extra forum and we didn't get it. By now this is basically a weightlifting and paleo thread. I still participate here even though the paleo-love in here annoys me a little bit. But for newbies all this stuff is probably pretty overwhelming and confusing when they get told from the get-go that everything they have been doing so far is wrong and they should change everything. I don't know how to solve this, but probably not with one giant thread.
Just some random thoughts on the state of this thread, probably a little bit confusing. To be fair, the video did link sources -- actual studies. I linked them in the thread. Unfortunately they're not good studies (imho), but to say that there were no sources is *cue glados voice* an outright fabrication. Just rewatched the video, now that makes me look stupid, nicely ordered references at the end. Probably skipped the last 5seconds the last time. Besides that a) the informational value of this infomercial is lackluster (in the end it is still 3 minutes long) and of course he did not read the original sources and b) it still does not make me feel bad for him. He just cursed and screamed like an immature child because somebody did call him out on something. Not quite sure what you needed the 'cue glados voice' part for, but at least it makes you look smart. Apologizes if I worded my post badly -- it was just a joke, nothing more; I find glados voice funny
Yeah, I did not have the best day yesterday either and also did not get the reference at first, I did not mean to be a dick.
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On August 18 2011 22:24 ZhenMiChan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:09 Ludrik wrote:Find a tree with a branch that you've got to jump to reach. Jump up and do a pullup. Repeat. On August 17 2011 09:37 ZhenMiChan wrote:
Hello Everyone
I have been going to the gym with friends for about 2 weeks now, and i must say my body is starting to look kick ass already!
Age: 22 || Height: 174cm || Weight: 65kg
Starting Date: 08-01-2011
My goals is to look and feel healthy for myself and my girlfriend, the problem is you get so much information and opinions on how to train and what to eat that sometimes i really have no idea what to do.
I will start by reading Starting Strength and from there on i hope to receive good advice on how to advance in training my body.
Hopefully after this i will be able to make a good plan.. I'm making this post because it will help me keep motivated to update it in the future!
Good luck man! Keep yourself motivated and set some goals with numbers. You'll feel more focused if you're working toward say a 120kg squat rather than merely working on your squats. But wow that's going to take atleast 2 years. I'm willing to workout but some of my friends have been working out for 1 year and are not even at 120kg yet ( I know these guys are not always serious, do drink and eat whatever they like and have no real goal ) is there any where i can get a plan or info on how to grow and make progress?
With any decent program (starting strength, stronlifts, power to the people) you should be able to do twice your bodyweight in less than a year, so pick a goal and follow it!
U could get drunk every weekend and if u follow any of the above 120kg should be ezpz (do not expect a six pack that way though )
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Restarting SS nao
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