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I've had one or two episodes of the experience you talk about. It was prolly due to lack of sleep and trying too hard to compensate with too much caffine. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
I agree on your post and I hope I don't come off as the elitist you describe since that was never my intention.
This kind off attitude happens quite often in small "communities" like this thread and that is why I'm kinda sad that bdictkam went all apeshit on us and got perm'd.
Every program works and if you want to bench 7days/week I'm not going to tell you not to but there may be better ways to achieve your goals (in this particular instance getting a good bench).
On a final note: Hot / Cold contrast showers are the best!
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On August 18 2011 07:54 Energies wrote:
Shallow, I enjoy both as well.
There was something wrong with my heart yesterday, maybe I took too much jack3d but my heart rate just wouldn't settle, it felt like my entire body was pulsing with my heart rate, I had just finished a set of 125kg squats but I was too afraid to go any heavier, it felt like doing squats immediately after going for a sprint, I was breathing heavily and sweating even while laying down.
I figured I'd jump onto the leg press to finish up, I just kept adding 20kg plates on each side and it just wasn't getting any harder, I think I got to like 8-10 plates on each side, got off frustrated and went home, took maybe an hour for my heart rate to settle back down.
By the way, I have never understood the elitism on this thread regarding exercise types, personally some of my favourite exercises are pull ups, Deadlifts and Squats, but I'd never tell anyone to "LOL squat or gtfo!" There is no reason at all to alienate people because for some reason or another they do not end up doing ss/sl. And it seems to be getting to the point where we're throwing our nose up at people would like to try something different with the attitude of "psh, fine do what you want" rather than actually give people advise on alternative methods of exercise. Efficiency aside.
My initial indoctrination into working out involved pushups, pullups and running and that helped me achieve my goals just fine and even to this day I don't always enjoy the stresses placed on my body after walking out on a max squat or dl session, I'd rather wake up do some hiit circuit training instead. I know guys who will do a light workout and then go to a group fitness class because they just find that stuff enjoyable, and you know what each to his own. Regardless of my own ups and downs in life I've always been an advocate of any kind of exercise for the purpose of well being.
Here here. Couldn't say it better myself.
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bdictkam linked a 3minute infomercial, where the findings of some study were presented on some graph, without any sources. He then went on to say that eshlow's articles was 'people stating their opinion on repitition range', which pretty much showed that he did not read beyond the first paragraph. After I pointed this out he called my "that narrow-minded individual" and then went apeshit and cursed his way out of here. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.
It has gotten kind of old that on every page 2-3 posts are "Do starting strength" and I agree that this is pretty repetitive and can be viewed as elitist. Personally, if someone likes 3x8 more or wants to run every day, or prefers to weight 150lb at 6'0, I am not telling him that what he is doing is wrong.
That this thread has gotten pretty one-sided and repetitive is not really our fault. We requested an extra forum and we didn't get it. By now this is basically a weightlifting and paleo thread. I still participate here even though the paleo-love in here annoys me a little bit. But for newbies all this stuff is probably pretty overwhelming and confusing when they get told from the get-go that everything they have been doing so far is wrong and they should change everything. I don't know how to solve this, but probably not with one giant thread.
Just some random thoughts on the state of this thread, probably a little bit confusing.
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On August 18 2011 08:27 Malinor wrote:
bdictkam linked a 3minute infomercial, where the findings of some study were presented on some graph, without any sources. He then went on to say that eshlow's articles was 'people stating their opinion on repitition range', which pretty much showed that he did not read beyond the first paragraph. After I pointed this out he called my "that narrow-minded individual" and then went apeshit and cursed his way out of here. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.
It has gotten kind of old that on every page 2-3 posts are "Do starting strength" and I agree that this is pretty repetitive and can be viewed as elitist. Personally, if someone likes 3x8 more or wants to run every day, or prefers to weight 150lb at 6'0, I am not telling him that what he is doing is wrong.
That this thread has gotten pretty one-sided and repetitive is not really our fault. We requested an extra forum and we didn't get it. By now this is basically a weightlifting and paleo thread. I still participate here even though the paleo-love in here annoys me a little bit. But for newbies all this stuff is probably pretty overwhelming and confusing when they get told from the get-go that everything they have been doing so far is wrong and they should change everything. I don't know how to solve this, but probably not with one giant thread.
Just some random thoughts on the state of this thread, probably a little bit confusing.
To be fair, the video did link sources -- actual studies. I linked them in the thread. Unfortunately they're not good studies (imho), but to say that there were no sources is *cue glados voice* an outright fabrication.
Speaking of studies, a friend linked me to an old study regarding milk, which can be found here:
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/139/5/493.short
Sadly, this is one of the few journals that I don't have access to, so I can't actually read it. Which is annoying because I really want to see how they went about doing what they claim they did in the abstract. The thing that caught my eye in particular is the claim that
Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age.
If anyone does have access to it, I'd appreciate a link to the full text of the study.
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On August 18 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:27 Malinor wrote:
bdictkam linked a 3minute infomercial, where the findings of some study were presented on some graph, without any sources. He then went on to say that eshlow's articles was 'people stating their opinion on repitition range', which pretty much showed that he did not read beyond the first paragraph. After I pointed this out he called my "that narrow-minded individual" and then went apeshit and cursed his way out of here. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.
It has gotten kind of old that on every page 2-3 posts are "Do starting strength" and I agree that this is pretty repetitive and can be viewed as elitist. Personally, if someone likes 3x8 more or wants to run every day, or prefers to weight 150lb at 6'0, I am not telling him that what he is doing is wrong.
That this thread has gotten pretty one-sided and repetitive is not really our fault. We requested an extra forum and we didn't get it. By now this is basically a weightlifting and paleo thread. I still participate here even though the paleo-love in here annoys me a little bit. But for newbies all this stuff is probably pretty overwhelming and confusing when they get told from the get-go that everything they have been doing so far is wrong and they should change everything. I don't know how to solve this, but probably not with one giant thread.
Just some random thoughts on the state of this thread, probably a little bit confusing. To be fair, the video did link sources -- actual studies. I linked them in the thread. Unfortunately they're not good studies (imho), but to say that there were no sources is *cue glados voice* an outright fabrication.
Just rewatched the video, now that makes me look stupid, nicely ordered references at the end. Probably skipped the last 5seconds the last time.
Besides that a) the informational value of this infomercial is lackluster (in the end it is still 3 minutes long) and of course he did not read the original sources and b) it still does not make me feel bad for him. He just cursed and screamed like an immature child because somebody did call him out on something.
Not quite sure what you needed the 'cue glados voice' part for, but at least it makes you look smart.
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hmmmmm
if you chuck a poo about 10 times a week does that mean your metabolism is good or bad?
and these are decent poos where it comes out smoothly somewhat.
or does this have no relevence to metabolism?
what is a good sign that you have good/ bad metabolism?
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On August 18 2011 15:25 jjhchsc2 wrote:
hmmmmm
if you chuck a poo about 10 times a week does that mean your metabolism is good or bad?
and these are decent poos where it comes out smoothly somewhat.
or does this have no relevence to metabolism?
what is a good sign that you have good/ bad metabolism?
poo is more related to fiber/water, and it sounds like you get plenty.
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On August 18 2011 07:54 Energies wrote:
Shallow, I enjoy both as well.
There was something wrong with my heart yesterday, maybe I took too much jack3d but my heart rate just wouldn't settle, it felt like my entire body was pulsing with my heart rate, I had just finished a set of 125kg squats but I was too afraid to go any heavier, it felt like doing squats immediately after going for a sprint, I was breathing heavily and sweating even while laying down.
I figured I'd jump onto the leg press to finish up, I just kept adding 20kg plates on each side and it just wasn't getting any harder, I think I got to like 8-10 plates on each side, got off frustrated and went home, took maybe an hour for my heart rate to settle back down.
By the way, I have never understood the elitism on this thread regarding exercise types, personally some of my favourite exercises are pull ups, Deadlifts and Squats, but I'd never tell anyone to "LOL squat or gtfo!" There is no reason at all to alienate people because for some reason or another they do not end up doing ss/sl. And it seems to be getting to the point where we're throwing our nose up at people would like to try something different with the attitude of "psh, fine do what you want" rather than actually give people advise on alternative methods of exercise. Efficiency aside.
My initial indoctrination into working out involved pushups, pullups and running and that helped me achieve my goals just fine and even to this day I don't always enjoy the stresses placed on my body after walking out on a max squat or dl session, I'd rather wake up do some hiit circuit training instead. I know guys who will do a light workout and then go to a group fitness class because they just find that stuff enjoyable, and you know what each to his own. Regardless of my own ups and downs in life I've always been an advocate of any kind of exercise for the purpose of well being.
while I generally agree with your statement, I believe we have gotten way better at tolerating other ideas in here, so to speak ^^ of course, if someone asks us what program he should do, the answer is gonna be "SS/SL" most of the time, but that doesnt mean we dont help people out with their own routine.
and if someone comes in here claiming that doing 50 pushups every day is the best shit ever he's kind asking for trouble 
but yeah, we (or me at least) try to get better at giving people advice on whatever they are working on, because, as you said, doing any kind of activity is better than doing nothing.
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First time doing deadlift today, and hmm it's a weird one to do.
I have lots of trouble with it because I am unsure how much weight I should do. I put just a 25lb on each side to practice technique for maybe 10 minutes.
After getting the hang of it I decided to do 135lb, and I managed to do it rather easily, and I really wanted to figure out how much I should be doing next time, so I wanted to see how 155lb would go. I managed to do the 5 quite easily, but the thing is I had trouble keeping my back completely straight, my back was near perfect but not as quite well as on the 135lb. Then since my legs had no problem keeping up I decided to do 175lbs, and once again, legs have no problem, holding it sort of hurts the fingers with the mixed grip, but once again I manage to do 5 reps with my back slightly more curved than before.
So my question is what weight should I do it at? I think I could even do 225lbs with crappy technique, but should I rather stick to 135/145 where I my technique is what seems to be flawless? I could tape a couple different weights and get input on what is good, and I don't want back injury so hence I'm asking.
And man, Im flooding the thread with questions, I'm new to weightlifting and need help, hope you guys don't mind helping out (:
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Woot. Pt says I can do SS & my exercises concurrently.
Still need to eat more. Braces/being sick/being out of country 
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On August 18 2011 16:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:
First time doing deadlift today, and hmm it's a weird one to do.
I have lots of trouble with it because I am unsure how much weight I should do. I put just a 25lb on each side to practice technique for maybe 10 minutes.
After getting the hang of it I decided to do 135lb, and I managed to do it rather easily, and I really wanted to figure out how much I should be doing next time, so I wanted to see how 155lb would go. I managed to do the 5 quite easily, but the thing is I had trouble keeping my back completely straight, my back was near perfect but not as quite well as on the 135lb. Then since my legs had no problem keeping up I decided to do 175lbs, and once again, legs have no problem, holding it sort of hurts the fingers with the mixed grip, but once again I manage to do 5 reps with my back slightly more curved than before.
So my question is what weight should I do it at? I think I could even do 225lbs with crappy technique, but should I rather stick to 135/145 where I my technique is what seems to be flawless? I could tape a couple different weights and get input on what is good, and I don't want back injury so hence I'm asking.
And man, Im flooding the thread with questions, I'm new to weightlifting and need help, hope you guys don't mind helping out (:
start with lower weights and increase steadily. dont worry, you will hit 225 in no time (and with good technique!)
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Chris Overton
Age: 18 || Height: 6'0" || Weight: 215 lbs
Starting Date: 9-22-2011 || Goal Date: 2-1-2012
Weight goals -- I want to be as muscular as possible but get below 190
Training goals -- Not really sure right now
Nutrition goals -- EAT LESS FRIED FOODS (KFC FTFW)
Misc goals -- I want to increase my vertical to at least 32", increase bench press to 315 (should go for higher but dont want to get bigger), and lower 40 yd Dash time to around 4.4 seconds.
Current vertical: 24"
Current Bench Press: 285 x 3
Current Squat: 415 x 3 (But yet I cant jump to save my life... -__-)
Current 40 yd Dash time (In Sec.): 4.86
(AWESOME idea for making this thread BTW) ))
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On August 18 2011 16:48 AeroEffect wrote:Chris Overton Age: 18 || Height: 6'0" || Weight: 215 lbs Starting Date: 9-22-2011 || Goal Date: 2-1-2012 Weight goals -- I want to be as muscular as possible but get below 190 Training goals -- Not really sure right now Nutrition goals -- EAT LESS FRIED FOODS (KFC FTFW) Misc goals -- I want to increase my vertical to at least 32", increase bench press to 315 (should go for higher but dont want to get bigger), and lower 40 yd Dash time to around 4.4 seconds. Current vertical: 24" Current Bench Press: 285 x 3 Current Squat: 415 x 3 (But yet I cant jump to save my life... -__-) Current 40 yd Dash time (In Sec.): 4.86 (AWESOME idea for making this thread BTW) ))
good grief! 18 and already squatting 2x bodyweight (almost). SICK!! im jealous
have you tried power cleans for your vertical? or how are you planning on achieving your goal?
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On August 18 2011 16:26 Froadac wrote:Woot. Pt says I can do SS & my exercises concurrently. Still need to eat more. Braces/being sick/being out of country
Just try and stuff down more food. You getter at it as time progresses
Awesome that you can do SS. Time to fire up that old log and take some new PR's!
@FiwiFaki: Just tape yourself and see how good you look deadlifting.
@AeroEffect: Welcome and very nice bench and squat.
What is a decent vertical? Tested out mine for fun when I was warming up yesterday and I managed about 25".
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Whats the standard way to test a vertical leap? Do you see how high you can reach. Then jump up and see how high up you can touch? Or is it how far up the legs go while straight?
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On August 18 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:Speaking of studies, a friend linked me to an old study regarding milk, which can be found here: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/139/5/493.shortSadly, this is one of the few journals that I don't have access to, so I can't actually read it. Which is annoying because I really want to see how they went about doing what they claim they did in the abstract. The thing that caught my eye in particular is the claim that Show nested quote +Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. If anyone does have access to it, I'd appreciate a link to the full text of the study.
Hey I just uploaded it to my dropbox. I'll probably take it back down after a week or two.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24240927/case-control study of risk factors for hip fractures in the elderly.pdf
I only skimmed it but this table seems relevent.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XEmYY.png)
and this paragraph
However, the quality of recalled data on dairy products and physical activity
is questionable (25, 27-30, 32), and so our results for these two exposures should be
interpreted with great caution. We assessed the reproducibility of long-term recall in a
sample of our study subjects (33), but have no information on the validity of our exposure
data, nor do we know whether validity differed between cases and controls. Differential
exposure misclassification between cases and controls is a real possibility in this
study, given that cases tended to be older and in generally poorer health than the controls.
Any tendency for cases to overestimate their dairy product consumption when they were young, for example, could explain our finding of an association between milk and cheese consumption and an increased risk of hip fracture.
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160kg dl for 3 reps, mmmm getting there, would have made 5 if I had straps or chalk I thinks.
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2 week progress:
Starting Weight / Current Weight
Bench: 115 5X5 130 5X5 > +15 lbs
Squat: 95 5X5 125 5X5 > +30 lbs
Press: 65 5X5 80 5X5 > +15 lbs
Row: 65 5X5 80 5X5 > +15 lbs
Deadlifts: 135 1X5 165 1X5 > +30 lbs
Body Weight: 143 lbs 146-148 lbs > 3-5 lbs (depending on when I measure ... from now on im going to weigh in morning before breakfast.)
-->Everything pretty easy still except squats I find a bit hard cause I have no experience going deep, below parallell and it really activates the hammys.
-->Bench getting close to point where im going to want a spotter for the last 1-2 sets I think, but im still pressing it up pretty easy. Need to stretch shoulders better, 5 sets on the bench makes my shoulder sore.
--> Dead lift and Row are super light for me. Will look forward to them getting challenging. Press is also really light right now but can see it getting really hard really quick as I approach 100 + lbs.
--> Weight gain is alright, im assuming its all in legs dont see any added fat but 5 pounds in 2 weeks is pushing it. Trying to cut down on cookies, deli meats and beer (LOL NOT) and eating leaner altogether.
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