EPTSecondly, wouldn't crossfit be fantastic for her? It's more concerned with getting fit, healthy and strongish than just getting huge and strong. It seems like a good formula. Also it's a group thing, so motivation is like 100x easier.
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
Secondly, wouldn't crossfit be fantastic for her? It's more concerned with getting fit, healthy and strongish than just getting huge and strong. It seems like a good formula. Also it's a group thing, so motivation is like 100x easier. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21722409 Basically saying that excessive protein intake ---> metabolic acidosis (wikipedia'd it, is terrible) which can be somewhat of a common argument, although I've never heard that it would cause that, only that your hair would thin out and all kinds of other stuff that I doubt is true. Anyways, it basically says that it can be offset by adequate mineral/vitamin intake, especially calcium (+1 for gomad) and potassium (+1 for bananas lol), along with weightlifting. Enjoy. @Dexx. No. Lol Pushups may last for awhile but once you can do more than 10, its something like endurance. There are a ton of better exercises out there. I'd argue the best exercise are deadlifts (but only because I like them more than squats lol) | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:11 Dexx wrote: Best exercise is something you don't need weights for: Push ups! I do 50, 50, 25, 25, 30, 30 with 3-4 mins pause in between and 3 x week and run 3 x 9 Km each week. Do this consistently and you are in great shape after 6 month. Key is slowly (begin with much less) but steady. Don't miss anything, no excuse, otherwise you fail! That's all great for someone who's never exercised before... but at a certain point, pushups stop being effective because they can only make you so strong before you get "too good" at doing them. Don't be afraid to move on to weights man, it's awesome! got in to the gym today for a workout, tried out some front Squats. Really like them - got up to ~150 lbs for a set of five while I was waiting for the oly platform to open up... some guy was deadlifting on it. Can't hate him for it, he's only the second person I've seen deadlift at this gym =/. Unfortunately, when I actually got to do my powercleans, my lower back was shot from all the front squatting (must have done 5 or 6 sets?) and I couldn't get the proper extension, so I couldn't hit my planned increase in weight. Had to lower it a few kilos and just work that from, try to get that extension right. I'm really starting to love power cleans though, I'd love to start doing full olympic lifts sometime. the idea of "getting under the bar" instead of "getting the bar up to me" just sounds crazy. My thought process doesn't switch gears that quickly. Ah well, I'll look into it, and in the mean time I just need to get stronger anyway. Front squats are awesome though, I don't feel like I have any of the problems that I do back squatting. Going to practice those every once in a while. I really like the improved flexibility, and how easy it is to keep my back upright. Just got to figure out the best time to do them. -edit- @catch, yeah excessive protein intake is bad... but it has to get really excessive to be a problem. The kidneys are very good at what they do, which is removing things that shouldn't be in the body, from the body. Unless you've already got a problem with them, or you're eating a high protein diet AND drinking three protein shakes a day, you probably don't have too much to worry about. @BouBou, Crossfit looks really cool, but there's a lot of variation in programming from gym to gym, so you've got to make sure the one you're going to is a good one. As well, it's much more expensive than joining a regular gym and doing SS, or even a modified SS routine. Plus, a typical strength routine is going to put you more "in control" of your body before you get into the full body movements that are the C&J and the Snatch, so that you better understand it, end up with better form, and decrease your risk of injury. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
Then that night i went to the bar, ran into a guy i was trying to get to play rugby, we're chatting and have a beer and then next thing i know we're joke wrestling turned into real fighting. On the bright side i managed to perform a double leg takedown on someone who has 70 pounds on me. On the down side after i got off him he choked me out. Meh. Next day played some golf. I think oly lifting is really helping my game..when i did hit the ball i was fucking crushing it farther than i have been before. This golf game was part of a bachelor party which ended up in one of the more ridiculous nights of my life lol. Drinking, strippers, fighting, fires, broken windows. I'm sure none of the above are very good for my "health and fitness" hahaha :D Practice weightlifting meet on saturday! should be good experience. On August 08 2011 06:11 Dexx wrote: Best exercise is something you don't need weights for: Push ups! I do 50, 50, 25, 25, 30, 30 with 3-4 mins pause in between and 3 x week and run 3 x 9 Km each week. Do this consistently and you are in great shape after 6 month. Key is slowly (begin with much less) but steady. Don't miss anything, no excuse, otherwise you fail! No offense but everything you just said is nonsense. Push ups (unweighted) at high reps with long distance running is a very sub optimal routine for pretty much anything. It will probably get you good at doing a lot of push ups, but you wont build any real strength/size/better body composition or really any of the benefits you get from heavy weight training. and HIIT > distance running for burning fat and conditioning. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:26 phyre112 wrote: That's all great for someone who's never exercised before... but at a certain point, pushups stop being effective because they can only make you so strong before you get "too good" at doing them. Don't be afraid to move on to weights man, it's awesome! got in to the gym today for a workout, tried out some front Squats. Really like them - got up to ~150 lbs for a set of five while I was waiting for the oly platform to open up... some guy was deadlifting on it. Can't hate him for it, he's only the second person I've seen deadlift at this gym =/. Unfortunately, when I actually got to do my powercleans, my lower back was shot from all the front squatting (must have done 5 or 6 sets?) and I couldn't get the proper extension, so I couldn't hit my planned increase in weight. Had to lower it a few kilos and just work that from, try to get that extension right. I'm really starting to love power cleans though, I'd love to start doing full olympic lifts sometime. the idea of "getting under the bar" instead of "getting the bar up to me" just sounds crazy. My thought process doesn't switch gears that quickly. Ah well, I'll look into it, and in the mean time I just need to get stronger anyway. Front squats are awesome though, I don't feel like I have any of the problems that I do back squatting. Going to practice those every once in a while. I really like the improved flexibility, and how easy it is to keep my back upright. Just got to figure out the best time to do them. Ask him nicely if he can move, dont really need the platform for deadlifts! And yeah i'm still wrapping my head around the concept of catching the bar. They should call it weight catching instead of weightlifting :-p | ||
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Dexx
Germany175 Posts
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bdictkam
Canada155 Posts
What change started to lean out people so much?? I mean im sure in the 20's 30's and 40's they ate alot of healthy non proccessed foods so what the heck? How come they werent lean like a antalope | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:37 Dexx wrote: Sorry guys. I don't care what you say. That is my routine with a little bit of lifting (mostly biceps, triceps). I went up to 95 Kg during the later stage of my Uni time. Then I lost 20 Kgs to 75 Kg with that routine and eating healthy. No supplements, no nothing. Only consitent incporporation in my working day (that is key). I am now around 78 Kg and feel great in a great body. You can do your thing and I do mine. Well what did you expect when you call your exercise the best... Beginner gains will always happen since you are just starting to exercise regularly. This is why you think your program is good. If you like it, thats fine, but dont try to claim its the best workout for getting in shape. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:38 bdictkam wrote: Everyone here seems to buy into the natural grown kinds of foods/diet but i have a odd question. The golds gym i have has a timeline of mr olympias and mr universes around the weight area, and the men in the early decades of the century dont have much muscle definition it only really starts to kick in around the late 40's early 50's. Before that they just looks like strong lumberjack men with that flat 1 pack you could say... What change started to lean out people so much?? I mean im sure in the 20's 30's and 40's they ate alot of healthy non proccessed foods so what the heck? How come they werent lean like a antalope What changed? The ideals of the judges, and therefore the goals of the competitors. | ||
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Dexx
Germany175 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:51 AoN.DimSum wrote: Well what did you expect when you call your exercise the best... Beginner gains will always happen since you are just starting to exercise regularly. This is why you think your program is good. If you like it, thats fine, but dont try to claim its the best workout for getting in shape. LoL, I am a beginner, whatever you know about me via the internet must be true.^^ I have been doing this for quite some time now (with some variations for years). Of course I have hit a plateau, but my objective is not to be a muscle giant. Being lean, feeling great and having a decent amount of muscles is enough for me. Ladies do like it. Read carefully. I did write exercise, not workeout! The exercise includes: You can do it everywhere, it doesn't cost anything and it trains almost all upper body muscles in a relatively short period of time. Perfect for me (10+ hours working days). The workout I like the most, is something relatively cheap and easy to do as well. The Rand Couture routine that is on youtube. Great allrounder. | ||
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urasheep
62 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:38 bdictkam wrote: Everyone here seems to buy into the natural grown kinds of foods/diet but i have a odd question. The golds gym i have has a timeline of mr olympias and mr universes around the weight area, and the men in the early decades of the century dont have much muscle definition it only really starts to kick in around the late 40's early 50's. Before that they just looks like strong lumberjack men with that flat 1 pack you could say... What change started to lean out people so much?? I mean im sure in the 20's 30's and 40's they ate alot of healthy non proccessed foods so what the heck? How come they werent lean like a antalope They learned about cutting later. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On a side note, I think I will swap Overhead Press with Incline Bench for a month, and also start practicing snatches (I don't think my anatomy allows any sort of cleans). | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:26 phyre112 wrote: That's all great for someone who's never exercised before... but at a certain point, pushups stop being effective because they can only make you so strong before you get "too good" at doing them. Don't be afraid to move on to weights man, it's awesome! got in to the gym today for a workout, tried out some front Squats. Really like them - got up to ~150 lbs for a set of five while I was waiting for the oly platform to open up... some guy was deadlifting on it. Can't hate him for it, he's only the second person I've seen deadlift at this gym =/. Unfortunately, when I actually got to do my powercleans, my lower back was shot from all the front squatting (must have done 5 or 6 sets?) and I couldn't get the proper extension, so I couldn't hit my planned increase in weight. Had to lower it a few kilos and just work that from, try to get that extension right. I'm really starting to love power cleans though, I'd love to start doing full olympic lifts sometime. the idea of "getting under the bar" instead of "getting the bar up to me" just sounds crazy. My thought process doesn't switch gears that quickly. Ah well, I'll look into it, and in the mean time I just need to get stronger anyway. Front squats are awesome though, I don't feel like I have any of the problems that I do back squatting. Going to practice those every once in a while. I really like the improved flexibility, and how easy it is to keep my back upright. Just got to figure out the best time to do them. -edit- @catch, yeah excessive protein intake is bad... but it has to get really excessive to be a problem. The kidneys are very good at what they do, which is removing things that shouldn't be in the body, from the body. Unless you've already got a problem with them, or you're eating a high protein diet AND drinking three protein shakes a day, you probably don't have too much to worry about. @BouBou, Crossfit looks really cool, but there's a lot of variation in programming from gym to gym, so you've got to make sure the one you're going to is a good one. As well, it's much more expensive than joining a regular gym and doing SS, or even a modified SS routine. Plus, a typical strength routine is going to put you more "in control" of your body before you get into the full body movements that are the C&J and the Snatch, so that you better understand it, end up with better form, and decrease your risk of injury. I recommend you replace back squats with front squats on your 2nd workout of the week (so on wednesday, assuming a monday/wednesday/friday split) gives your posterior chain a little rest so you squat heavy again in the 3rd workout On August 08 2011 07:06 Dexx wrote: LoL, I am a beginner, whatever you know about me via the internet must be true.^^ I have been doing this for quite some time now (with some variations for years). Of course I have hit a plateau, but my objective is not to be a muscle giant. Being lean, feeling great and having a decent amount of muscles is enough for me. Ladies do like it. Read carefully. I did write exercise, not workeout! The exercise includes: You can do it everywhere, it doesn't cost anything and it trains almost all upper body muscles in a relatively short period of time. Perfect for me (10+ hours working days). The workout I like the most, is something relatively cheap and easy to do as well. The Rand Couture routine that is on youtube. Great allrounder. just because you can do 50 push ups doesnt mean you are not a beginner anymore dude. I just did 40 just now (to see how many I could do ^^) and I havent done push ups for years. doesnt make me an intermediate/advanced athlete. so calm down, we are pretty much all beginners. but if youre happy with your routine and it works for you, keep at it! | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:23 Catch wrote: Another twitter study from mark. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21722409 Basically saying that excessive protein intake ---> metabolic acidosis (wikipedia'd it, is terrible) which can be somewhat of a common argument, although I've never heard that it would cause that, only that your hair would thin out and all kinds of other stuff that I doubt is true. Anyways, it basically says that it can be offset by adequate mineral/vitamin intake, especially calcium (+1 for gomad) and potassium (+1 for bananas lol), along with weightlifting. Enjoy. @Dexx. No. Lol Pushups may last for awhile but once you can do more than 10, its something like endurance. There are a ton of better exercises out there. I'd argue the best exercise are deadlifts (but only because I like them more than squats lol) They were taking 4.3 +/- 1.2 g/kg bw protein.... which is pretty much about 2g/lbs bodyweight (with the standard deviation up to 2.5g/lbs). Yeah, that's a bit excessive.... Maybe if you're cutting for a bodybuilding competition. But that's the only time I would go that high with protein. ------------------------------- edit: Also, don't feed the trolls. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
On August 08 2011 10:14 eshlow wrote: When are getting our own forum?? We need the ability to make more threads on varying topics. i agree with that T_T would be amazing! Anyways I have been squatting light this last week. I feel amazing physically while i'm taking it more easy on my squats Front squat @ 195 going ass to grass. Like hammies and calves touching at the bottom. Is that bad? I tell my buddy at work about it and he is just like O_O Thats really bad for your knees big guy! Is it?? I feel fine at this lower weight at least... I recon if i want to start to train Oly lifts I better be comfortable in that position yes?? | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On August 08 2011 10:21 GumThief wrote: i agree with that T_T would be amazing! Anyways I have been squatting light this last week. I feel amazing physically while i'm taking it more easy on my squats Front squat @ 195 going ass to grass. Like hammies and calves touching at the bottom. Is that bad? I tell my buddy at work about it and he is just like O_O Thats really bad for your knees big guy! Is it?? I feel fine at this lower weight at least... I recon if i want to start to train Oly lifts I better be comfortable in that position yes?? No reason for squats to hurt your knees. You can try bouncing out of the bottom in the squat, since it will carry over for the clean. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
On August 08 2011 10:21 GumThief wrote: i agree with that T_T would be amazing! Anyways I have been squatting light this last week. I feel amazing physically while i'm taking it more easy on my squats Front squat @ 195 going ass to grass. Like hammies and calves touching at the bottom. Is that bad? I tell my buddy at work about it and he is just like O_O Thats really bad for your knees big guy! Is it?? I feel fine at this lower weight at least... I recon if i want to start to train Oly lifts I better be comfortable in that position yes?? Thats perfect. and yes. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 08 2011 10:21 GumThief wrote: i agree with that T_T would be amazing! Anyways I have been squatting light this last week. I feel amazing physically while i'm taking it more easy on my squats Front squat @ 195 going ass to grass. Like hammies and calves touching at the bottom. Is that bad? I tell my buddy at work about it and he is just like O_O Thats really bad for your knees big guy! Is it?? I feel fine at this lower weight at least... I recon if i want to start to train Oly lifts I better be comfortable in that position yes?? It's fine as long as you don't lose tension in your muscles. You don't want to put them on slack and then reengage them because that is tough on your joints. Utilizing a bounce with the muscles is fine and normal (stretch-shorten cycle occurs naturally during lots of activities like running) because tension is kept on the joint which keeps it from being jerked around. | ||
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