On July 02 2011 19:01 sc4k wrote: holy sugar, after my first day of 'proper' squats with the freebar...I am feeling it most heavily in my lower back muscles. I guess this makes sense, I work out every other muscle group involved much more because of my deadlift handicap . Still, squatting felt great even if I had to be quite humble and kick down 20kg from my smith machine weight.
i had a shit day (especially at work, almost flipped out) and feel like im dying/hungover today. had a nosebleed and im shaking from dehydration or something.
but apparently i have really nice legs
im SO far behind sc4k, it really SHOWED me i have to step up my game a lot if i want to take this seriously (be more organised).
ill send you that 1 vid i took but gotta rush to work again now
On July 02 2011 07:52 Malinor wrote: Yeah, I assume it's mostly flexibility. I have done like 4 snatch workouts and most reps with only the bar. I am optimistic, and can't wait till the shoes arrive. Your linked workout is just awesome, must have felt awesome after all those missed attempts to finally get the weight up.
What exactly do the weight shoes do for you? I'm looking at some pictures and they look like normal sneakers. It looks like you can use converse shoes too lol.
What do you guys think of this bodyweightcoach website? http://www.bodyweightcoach.com/01/l-sit-parallette-core-strength/ . I've been watching their videos and I really like the way to guy takes his time to explain every little detail, which is great for people like me who simply do not know how to prepare for these exercises. I'm just curious to hear from eshlow or someone who does bodyweight stuff often.
I take back what I said about doubting bodyweight training earlier, it's actually a pretty humbling experience to try it for the first time and fail miserably lol. The exercises are a lot of fun if you take the time to figure out how to do them. Seems more like a skill than just strength training, plus I feel like I'm trying to breakdance whenever I prop myself up into the air for those exercises.
1. Weightlifting shoes help provide a stable platform. The higher heel allows the knees to shift forward more which allows a more upright torso for the front squat portion of the clean and the overhead squat portion of the snatch. Basically, it provides a bit more leverage.
If at all possible I would learn to do front squats and overhead squats without them first so you can develop good ankle mobility and knee strength first before delving into the shoes. But again this is not necessary or required or anything like that.
2. Site looks OK. Some of the exercises look to be a bit gimmicky compared to typical gymnastics style training. The L-sit one looks pretty good overall though (though I just read and didn't watch the vid).
Bodyweight strength training is good in general if you want to aim towards disciplines like martial arts, parkour, breakdancing, etc.
Hey so I was wondering what kind of arch you guys use for bench?
I used to just pinch my shoulder blades together and get a slight arch , but it seems like my body will not be tight to begin with.
I've watched videos like this Is this a good tutorial on how to bench? I've read many different things like how arching your back can injure you and you should keep your back flat and all sorts of stuff. Do you have any other resources where I can learn the bench? So you guy's answer would help put ease to my mind.
First time running 100% barefoot today. Did a little over a mile I think. My toes feel a little raw but it felt awesome overall. Ran mostly on sidewalk and asphalt.
On July 02 2011 23:52 MajinMojo wrote: First time running 100% barefoot today. Did a little over a mile I think. My toes feel a little raw but it felt awesome overall. Ran mostly on sidewalk and asphalt.
On July 02 2011 23:43 kurrysauce wrote: So , It'll be fine to follow the form as instructed in the video?
Never really believed in it , but it has been floating around so I had my doubts.
first you have to understand that there are two different philosophies behind the bench press. Tate is a powerlifting coach, so he teaches the bench for powerlifters. it will allow you to bench more weight by reducing the way the bar has to travel. Strength coaches (like rippetoe) advocate less arch. But they are not interested in bench big numbers like powerlifters are. Strength training aims to make you strong through the bench press.
On July 02 2011 08:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: On a double-posting side-note, I can't for the life of me understand why the military still measures physical fitness through push-ups and sit-ups. FUCK. Where's the combat effectiveness of doing 90 push-ups but being 6'0 150lbs?
well, most of the work done in the military isn't combat
it's carrying/lifting/moving stuff and your body for extended durations. push ups are an incredibly practical endurance exercise.
how much combat do you think is hand to hand in the military anyways -.-
I'm not referring to hand-to-hand combat, but rather general battlefield operations. You have to carry ammo boxes, that's lifting heavy shit. You throw on the ruck sack, it's walking with heavy shit. You fall over with your ruck sack on, you do a single, weighted push-up to get on your feet. You do a single, weighted pull-up to get over a wall.
It completely boggles my mind because the Canadian Combat Fitness manual is derived almost entirely from Crossfit, and actually promotes Olympic lifting/compound movements/etc. (and I'm far from a Crossfit fanatic, but I still think this is better), whereas the actual physical fitness tests are how many sit-ups you can do in two minutes. It's not practical. Sit-ups as an exercise are useless, and to be tested on them, and thus required to PRACTICE a useless exercise to grease the groove, is even more useless.
I'm not knocking bodyweight training or anything, don't get me wrong. I know that's your passion and that you're quite good at it.
well situps and pushups aren't really what I do when I do bodyweight training(until lately because m specifically training for military lolz). I am just saying that endurance exercises are generally more practical for the military than strength or explosive exercises. cleaning 150lbs doesn't help much when what you actually have to do is lift 50 lbs, walk it 20 feet, and then repeat that 200 times for example. well, it helps a little actually. but endurance training helps more.
another factor may be that there are so many recruits going through basic that it would be much more difficult to train weights than bodyweight exercises. It'd take more time to teach, and more equipment and time to do.
I do think a combination of each would be ideal, though.
Had a nice saturday workout (first weekend i've been free all summer)...and nobody else showed up T_T Oh well at least i only got corrected a couple times by my 'coach', mostly for slowing down, mind was getting tired but body wasn't, corrected it with a bit of mental power ^_^ Snatch up to 80kg, 4 singles at 80, 85, 90
CJ singles up to 130kg Took a couple vids to see how my form is coming along. Lemme know what you think dimsum, drowsy, nazarene, and whoever else! You can reference some of my other vids for comparison on my channel if you want. God watching my oly meet vid from a month ago makes me sick. So much form work i could have done with another month to prepare T_T Oh well there will always be more
On July 02 2011 23:52 MajinMojo wrote: First time running 100% barefoot today. Did a little over a mile I think. My toes feel a little raw but it felt awesome overall. Ran mostly on sidewalk and asphalt.
I would take it easy and aim to do some running on grass/rubber track. I have a friend who dived right into barefoot running and ended up with stress fractures. I'd recommened ~1/4 mile to start and add another few hundred meters each couple days/week. As mentioned above look into some vibram five fingers (theres another brand i've heard of which combines the two smallest toes and apparently is much more comfortable?) That being said, i also did some barefoot sprints today :D 8x100m after my workout. I tried something...closing my eyes while sprinting. My whole body relaxed and by stride really opened and loosened up, it felt AMAZING. I need to get into this mode when i'm on the rugby field.
On July 02 2011 19:01 sc4k wrote: holy sugar, after my first day of 'proper' squats with the freebar...I am feeling it most heavily in my lower back muscles. I guess this makes sense, I work out every other muscle group involved much more because of my deadlift handicap . Still, squatting felt great even if I had to be quite humble and kick down 20kg from my smith machine weight.
haha That's because you've been babying your core with the god forsaken smith machine (i want to conquer the world and melt them all down to make more barbells). Free bar >>>>> smith machine. Your back will catch up with some free bar squats and deadlifts and your squats will start hitting your legs more.
Also, i'm out of protein, anyone know any good deals? Looking to pick up 5lbs in the 20-30$ range.
On July 03 2011 03:18 decafchicken wrote: haha That's because you've been babying your core with the god forsaken smith machine (i want to conquer the world and melt them all down to make more barbells). Free bar >>>>> smith machine. Your back will catch up with some free bar squats and deadlifts and your squats will start hitting your legs more.
Ffffuuu curse my babyied core and that cursed smith machine!!! Feelin' like a newb -.-
Awesome lift though by the way , looking great, I really wish I could train topless in the gym I go to! There's something raw and primal about it...
@Eshlow, I think you might be right also, my form didn't seem great, felt like my weight was quite far back on my feet but I was also bending too much? FFgenerations took a video so I might be able to post that and get some precious feedback.
Eh its just a garage gym so its no big deal. Its like 90 degrees out and noon so its super hot. It does feel good, just you and the bar. Although i'll revert to keeping my shirt on once the guys daughter is back in town T_T
Ok I'm pretty mad right now. Can't get past 75 kg bench press. I've deloaded first at 75, then at 72.5, then at 75 again and now I failed at 70 kgs.What should I do? Less sets? Less reps? Both? Dumbbells? Dips? Give up?
One big problem I have when I bench is racking/unracking. My power rack is either too high or too low. I have to either push my shoulders up to be able to unrack it and it makes me really unstable when I'm benching. Or I have to do a third of a bench press to be able to unrack it and lock my arms which also makes me unstable when I'm doing the actual pressing. I hate being short
On July 03 2011 03:47 Necosarius wrote: Ok I'm pretty mad right now. Can't get past 75 kg bench press. I've deloaded first at 75, then at 72.5, then at 75 again and now I failed at 70 kgs.What should I do? Less sets? Less reps? Both? Dumbbells? Dips? Give up?
One big problem I have when I bench is racking/unracking. My power rack is either too high or too low. I have to either push my shoulders up to be able to unrack it and it makes me really unstable when I'm benching. Or I have to do a third of a bench press to be able to unrack it and lock my arms which also makes me unstable when I'm doing the actual pressing. I hate being short
Summon your inner Sjarl and SMASH THE PLATEAU. It's all in your god damn head.
Train the jerk[insert bench press] with the goddamn volition of running head on into a herd of buffalo while still being on your feet ready to punch a polar bear in the face
-Donny Shankle.
God shankle quotes are awesome:
It is in the "split" the weightlifter is called upon to show how strong he truly is and awaken himself into a crystal clear consciousness. Every memory, either sad or happy depending upon failure or success, races through the mind. This leaves the “split” as the exact opposite of the “finish.” Every color seems brighter, the feel of the bar becomes lighter, and the smell of victory is in the air. You must roar during the “split” with the confidence of a master and the strength of all of nature's beasts combined into you, mankind, the crown of God's creation. It is here where most competitions are decided. To hold a strong and steadfast “split” command and then quickly move into the recovery calls upon every muscle of the body to work together with the precision, similar to that of threading a needle. It is soon after the “split” the weightlifter feels the greatest virtue in life man can aspire to embody.
Makes me wanna rack up 150kg and give it a go T_T But first i must train for YEARS. Good thing i plan on Never Stopping.
Whee slow motion:
I hate to be vain, but god i love watching my clean in slow motion. Jerk is getting a little better T_T
On July 03 2011 03:47 Necosarius wrote: Ok I'm pretty mad right now. Can't get past 75 kg bench press. I've deloaded first at 75, then at 72.5, then at 75 again and now I failed at 70 kgs.What should I do? Less sets? Less reps? Both? Dumbbells? Dips? Give up?
One big problem I have when I bench is racking/unracking. My power rack is either too high or too low. I have to either push my shoulders up to be able to unrack it and it makes me really unstable when I'm benching. Or I have to do a third of a bench press to be able to unrack it and lock my arms which also makes me unstable when I'm doing the actual pressing. I hate being short
You on SS?
Reset shoulda probably been down to 65-67.5 kg or so. You want to basically take 3-4 workouts to work your way back up 65, 67.5, 70, 72.5, then the 75 kg since remember you're also doing press which is taxing on the pushing muscle as well
On July 03 2011 03:47 Necosarius wrote: Ok I'm pretty mad right now. Can't get past 75 kg bench press. I've deloaded first at 75, then at 72.5, then at 75 again and now I failed at 70 kgs.What should I do? Less sets? Less reps? Both? Dumbbells? Dips? Give up?
One big problem I have when I bench is racking/unracking. My power rack is either too high or too low. I have to either push my shoulders up to be able to unrack it and it makes me really unstable when I'm benching. Or I have to do a third of a bench press to be able to unrack it and lock my arms which also makes me unstable when I'm doing the actual pressing. I hate being short
Summon your inner Sjarl and SMASH THE PLATEAU. It's all in your god damn head.
Train the jerk[insert bench press] with the goddamn volition of running head on into a herd of buffalo while still being on your feet ready to punch a polar bear in the face
It is in the "split" the weightlifter is called upon to show how strong he truly is and awaken himself into a crystal clear consciousness. Every memory, either sad or happy depending upon failure or success, races through the mind. This leaves the “split” as the exact opposite of the “finish.” Every color seems brighter, the feel of the bar becomes lighter, and the smell of victory is in the air. You must roar during the “split” with the confidence of a master and the strength of all of nature's beasts combined into you, mankind, the crown of God's creation. It is here where most competitions are decided. To hold a strong and steadfast “split” command and then quickly move into the recovery calls upon every muscle of the body to work together with the precision, similar to that of threading a needle. It is soon after the “split” the weightlifter feels the greatest virtue in life man can aspire to embody.
Makes me wanna rack up 150kg and give it a go T_T But first i must train for YEARS. Good thing i plan on Never Stopping.
hahaha, that quote was GOLDEN. Unbelievably inspiring xD.
In brighter news, imma cut the crap and buy some weight-lifting shoes. I know romaleos are expensive as fuck, so are Risto's. Anybody has a good review of them? Decaf you have Risto's right? Are they awesome?
Gonna do clean and jerk too. Can't wait to get out of the flu
On July 02 2011 08:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: On a double-posting side-note, I can't for the life of me understand why the military still measures physical fitness through push-ups and sit-ups. FUCK. Where's the combat effectiveness of doing 90 push-ups but being 6'0 150lbs?
well, most of the work done in the military isn't combat
it's carrying/lifting/moving stuff and your body for extended durations. push ups are an incredibly practical endurance exercise.
how much combat do you think is hand to hand in the military anyways -.-
I'm not referring to hand-to-hand combat, but rather general battlefield operations. You have to carry ammo boxes, that's lifting heavy shit. You throw on the ruck sack, it's walking with heavy shit. You fall over with your ruck sack on, you do a single, weighted push-up to get on your feet. You do a single, weighted pull-up to get over a wall.
It completely boggles my mind because the Canadian Combat Fitness manual is derived almost entirely from Crossfit, and actually promotes Olympic lifting/compound movements/etc. (and I'm far from a Crossfit fanatic, but I still think this is better), whereas the actual physical fitness tests are how many sit-ups you can do in two minutes. It's not practical. Sit-ups as an exercise are useless, and to be tested on them, and thus required to PRACTICE a useless exercise to grease the groove, is even more useless.
I'm not knocking bodyweight training or anything, don't get me wrong. I know that's your passion and that you're quite good at it.
well situps and pushups aren't really what I do when I do bodyweight training(until lately because m specifically training for military lolz). I am just saying that endurance exercises are generally more practical for the military than strength or explosive exercises. cleaning 150lbs doesn't help much when what you actually have to do is lift 50 lbs, walk it 20 feet, and then repeat that 200 times for example. well, it helps a little actually. but endurance training helps more.
another factor may be that there are so many recruits going through basic that it would be much more difficult to train weights than bodyweight exercises. It'd take more time to teach, and more equipment and time to do.
I do think a combination of each would be ideal, though.
I never thought of it from a logistics standpoint; you're right, it's probably way easier to train and test bodyweight exercises than those requiring equipment.
I also agree that a combination of the two would be best. Unfortunately, Crossfit is the closest you can get to that, and I don't really agree with the ideologies and buzzwords that CF enthusiasts always throw around.
On July 03 2011 03:47 Necosarius wrote: Ok I'm pretty mad right now. Can't get past 75 kg bench press. I've deloaded first at 75, then at 72.5, then at 75 again and now I failed at 70 kgs.What should I do? Less sets? Less reps? Both? Dumbbells? Dips? Give up?
One big problem I have when I bench is racking/unracking. My power rack is either too high or too low. I have to either push my shoulders up to be able to unrack it and it makes me really unstable when I'm benching. Or I have to do a third of a bench press to be able to unrack it and lock my arms which also makes me unstable when I'm doing the actual pressing. I hate being short
You on SS?
Reset shoulda probably been down to 65-67.5 kg or so. You want to basically take 3-4 workouts to work your way back up 65, 67.5, 70, 72.5, then the 75 kg since remember you're also doing press which is taxing on the pushing muscle as well
Yeah I'm on the advanced novice program. I did deload to 65, one time even to 60 kgs. Will just have to give it another go I guess >_>
Also, I got my friend to do SS. He's complaining about pains in the elbows when he's doing power cleans. What may cause this? Inflexibility? I haven't seen his form yet because we live in different citys.
On July 03 2011 03:47 Necosarius wrote: Ok I'm pretty mad right now. Can't get past 75 kg bench press. I've deloaded first at 75, then at 72.5, then at 75 again and now I failed at 70 kgs.What should I do? Less sets? Less reps? Both? Dumbbells? Dips? Give up?
One big problem I have when I bench is racking/unracking. My power rack is either too high or too low. I have to either push my shoulders up to be able to unrack it and it makes me really unstable when I'm benching. Or I have to do a third of a bench press to be able to unrack it and lock my arms which also makes me unstable when I'm doing the actual pressing. I hate being short
Summon your inner Sjarl and SMASH THE PLATEAU. It's all in your god damn head.
Train the jerk[insert bench press] with the goddamn volition of running head on into a herd of buffalo while still being on your feet ready to punch a polar bear in the face
It is in the "split" the weightlifter is called upon to show how strong he truly is and awaken himself into a crystal clear consciousness. Every memory, either sad or happy depending upon failure or success, races through the mind. This leaves the “split” as the exact opposite of the “finish.” Every color seems brighter, the feel of the bar becomes lighter, and the smell of victory is in the air. You must roar during the “split” with the confidence of a master and the strength of all of nature's beasts combined into you, mankind, the crown of God's creation. It is here where most competitions are decided. To hold a strong and steadfast “split” command and then quickly move into the recovery calls upon every muscle of the body to work together with the precision, similar to that of threading a needle. It is soon after the “split” the weightlifter feels the greatest virtue in life man can aspire to embody.
Makes me wanna rack up 150kg and give it a go T_T But first i must train for YEARS. Good thing i plan on Never Stopping.
I like slow motion videos better Your form looks a lot smoother! You will smash 150 in no time.
The only big issue I see is when u caught the clean at the bottom, you rock back and forth a little. Might be core stability? Stay tighter in the catch so you can bounce out really fast. Jerk looks a lot better too, soft elbows but that just might be fatigue.
EPT
. Still, squatting felt great even if I had to be quite humble and kick down 20kg from my smith machine weight.
, looking great, I really wish I could train topless in the gym I go to! There's something raw and primal about it...
