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flare8
Profile Joined February 2011
5 Posts
June 02 2011 22:21 GMT
#6521
hey all,

I put together a wiki about health, still sort of a work in progress, feel free to contribute, including posting here suggestions or ideas:
http://flare8.net/health

It currently has something over 1,200 references to unique scientific studies, and the relevant parts of the studies are extracted and displayed for easy reference.

some of the most major conclusions probably include:
-Chronic disease (of which an epidemic exists in many developed nations) is not a necessary factor of human life or aging.
-Healthy, long lived, robust and disease free populations have existed in the past and do exist today.
-Certain commonly consumed foods are toxic to humans and are contributing strongly to the disease epidemic: namely grains/some legumes, excessive amounts of fructose, and excessive amounts of polyunsaturated fat.
-Malnutrition is common regarding certain nutrients and certain supplements have extremely significant beneficial effects in the context of the standard american diet.
-Pathogens are a major cause of chronic disease, perhaps the primary cause. adequate nutrition fueling an effective immune system is presumably what protects one from pathogens.
-certain ideas like saturated fat as harmful are utter myths and are extremely detrimental thoughts to nutrition generally.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
June 02 2011 22:26 GMT
#6522
On June 03 2011 05:07 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 04:53 Malinor wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:41 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Hey guys, I made a website for strength evaluation / 5/3/1 routine generation and a simple progress tracker.. It's probably full of bugs right now but it'd be awesome if you guys try it out and gimme feed back on it.
the website is: http://www.strstd.com

thanks guys!


That site looks pretty cool, I could see myself using it if you would add more routines than just 5/3/1.

When you choose wieght in kgs, the measurement right of the boxes still say lbs. And the formula for the 1RM seems too high for me. I cannot see myself deadlifting 221kg for 1rep with a max of 182.5x5. But I guess you probably just took the one Wendler use's?


How do you suggest I should add other routines? As far as I know not a lot of other routines have a set 'weight' for each training day.

For deadlifting I'm using a formula outlined in a study done by Wathan et al. It seems to be the most accurate one so far, although many people have said that the dl estimate seems a bit on the high side.


http://stronglifts.com/madcow/table_of_contents_thread.htm

When you click on the first two routines and scroll down to the bottom of the page, there are excel-spreadsheets for these programms, I am sure you can extract all the necessary information from these sheets. How the pogramms works is obviously outlined beforehand on the same page. Especially for Madcow 5x5 this could be nice, since it's used by a lot of people.

There is probably enough information online on most popular programms to do this, you just have to know the routines. Don't know how ambitious your website is, but from the top of my head Smolov-Squats, or Coan/Phillipi for Deadlifts (our strongman from island can maybe help you with sources for this).

But I think especially Madcow would be a very nice and pretty easy addition.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
June 02 2011 22:37 GMT
#6523
Ok, today was pretty hardcore:

Squat: 172,5kg 5-5-5 (tied previous PR)
Press: 76kg 5-5-5 (tied previous PR)
Row: 91kg 5-5-5

I had no speed in my squats today, yesterdays powercleans caused probably more fatigue than I thought. Each single rep was pretty hardcore with questionnable form. But I don't care, got every rep in.
Press was super hard as well, but with less fatigue and better form. I just love press.
Don't care much about rows anymore, powercleans incoming. Form was decent, but my back was very beaten up already. Will keep the weight constant next week.

Noteworthy is that my previous PRs were one set of five, and now I am doing 3x5 with these weights, which is obviously better.


PS: The thread in General "[G] Losing Weight: My Way" makes me want to kill myself while reading it.

"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 02 2011 22:39 GMT
#6524
On June 03 2011 05:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
oh nice website, man i have weak stats at everything except squat. LOL


duuuude what the fuck! my squat doesnt even register, and my awesome 57.5kg bench is just half-way into "untrained"!!! damn i thought i was at least novice haha
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MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 22:44:01
June 02 2011 22:43 GMT
#6525
Agreed, Malinor. I don't really want to talk about it tho LOL.

So I made some tzatziki today. Mad good.

Then I had a dinner of chicken veggie stir-fry. So good.

Ran out of time to lift today but I don't feel too bad since yesterday I did do form work on PCs. Plus it's not like I'm going to lay around the rest of the day. I actually have been running around most of the day and now have to meet with a bunch of people about arranging a camping trip in the near future. So that'll be about a 7 mile ride by bike.

And it's BEAUTIFUL out!!
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 22:53:51
June 02 2011 22:53 GMT
#6526
On June 03 2011 07:21 flare8 wrote:
hey all,

I put together a wiki about health, still sort of a work in progress, feel free to contribute, including posting here suggestions or ideas:
http://flare8.net/health

It currently has something over 1,200 references to unique scientific studies, and the relevant parts of the studies are extracted and displayed for easy reference.

some of the most major conclusions probably include:
-Chronic disease (of which an epidemic exists in many developed nations) is not a necessary factor of human life or aging.
-Healthy, long lived, robust and disease free populations have existed in the past and do exist today.
-Certain commonly consumed foods are toxic to humans and are contributing strongly to the disease epidemic: namely grains/some legumes, excessive amounts of fructose, and excessive amounts of polyunsaturated fat.
-Malnutrition is common regarding certain nutrients and certain supplements have extremely significant beneficial effects in the context of the standard american diet.
-Pathogens are a major cause of chronic disease, perhaps the primary cause. adequate nutrition fueling an effective immune system is presumably what protects one from pathogens.
-certain ideas like saturated fat as harmful are utter myths and are extremely detrimental thoughts to nutrition generally.



hey

did you find anything on sebhorreic dermatitis?
http://hardinmd.lib.uiowa.edu/dermnet/seborrheicdermatitis35.html

ive tried glutin free for 3++ weeks now (with a handful of hiccups) and didnt notice a difference. i let my facial hair grow for a few days recently and the condition just totally flared up again.

i have not yet tried dairy free
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
DatBoiRijad
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
100 Posts
June 02 2011 23:09 GMT
#6527
On June 03 2011 04:00 DatBoiRijad wrote:
"supposedly if you are over 12%bf u can go on a calorie deficit and ur body will prioritize protein synthesis over glucosis so ur body will use fat for energy while the aminos from the protein are used for rebuilding"

read this on bodybuilding.com, does anyone here have anything to add on to this? Or any evidence that proves this? Would be really interesting to read up on.

reposting since nobody answered
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:14:48
June 02 2011 23:10 GMT
#6528
On June 03 2011 04:41 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Hey guys, I made a website for strength evaluation / 5/3/1 routine generation and a simple progress tracker.. It's probably full of bugs right now but it'd be awesome if you guys try it out and gimme feed back on it.
the website is: http://www.strstd.com

thanks guys!


It's beautiful. Thank you.

Today's workout:

BB Squat: 130kg x 5
Deadlift: 180kg x 5 - forgot to use the belt lol.
Reverse hypers: 3 sets of 40kg x 12
Neut. grip Pullups: 3 sets of 5.

PR's on the squat (for reps) and dead so I'm pretty happy with that

@DatBoi: If you are at 12% bf you don't really have to worry about cutting. It just doesn't fit right, why should the body on a magical mark, like the 12% bf, change up and deprioritize glucose synthesis over protein synthesis. BB.com is a very unreliable source and in either case it would be just overthinking stuff.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
DatBoiRijad
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
100 Posts
June 02 2011 23:14 GMT
#6529
On June 03 2011 08:10 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 04:41 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Hey guys, I made a website for strength evaluation / 5/3/1 routine generation and a simple progress tracker.. It's probably full of bugs right now but it'd be awesome if you guys try it out and gimme feed back on it.
the website is: http://www.strstd.com

thanks guys!


It's beautiful. Thank you.

Today's workout:

BB Squat: 130kg x 5
Deadlift: 180kg x 5 - forgot to use the belt lol.
Reverse hypers: 3 sets of 40kg x 12
Neut. grip Pullups: 3 sets of 5.

PR's on the squat (for reps) and dead so I'm pretty happy with that

@DatBoi: If you are at 12% bf you don't really have to worry about cutting.


I'm not, I'm around 18-20%
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:24:40
June 02 2011 23:22 GMT
#6530
On June 03 2011 08:14 DatBoiRijad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:10 sJarl wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:41 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Hey guys, I made a website for strength evaluation / 5/3/1 routine generation and a simple progress tracker.. It's probably full of bugs right now but it'd be awesome if you guys try it out and gimme feed back on it.
the website is: http://www.strstd.com

thanks guys!


It's beautiful. Thank you.

Today's workout:

BB Squat: 130kg x 5
Deadlift: 180kg x 5 - forgot to use the belt lol.
Reverse hypers: 3 sets of 40kg x 12
Neut. grip Pullups: 3 sets of 5.

PR's on the squat (for reps) and dead so I'm pretty happy with that

@DatBoi: If you are at 12% bf you don't really have to worry about cutting.


I'm not, I'm around 18-20%


Well, that is a whole lot different. Either way, weightlifting will help you lower it

EDIT:

Just remembered your videoes (the ones where you are deadlifting) and from there I'd say you have nothing to worry about and you sure as hell ain't 20% bf.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
DatBoiRijad
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
100 Posts
June 02 2011 23:32 GMT
#6531
On June 03 2011 08:22 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:14 DatBoiRijad wrote:
On June 03 2011 08:10 sJarl wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:41 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Hey guys, I made a website for strength evaluation / 5/3/1 routine generation and a simple progress tracker.. It's probably full of bugs right now but it'd be awesome if you guys try it out and gimme feed back on it.
the website is: http://www.strstd.com

thanks guys!


It's beautiful. Thank you.

Today's workout:

BB Squat: 130kg x 5
Deadlift: 180kg x 5 - forgot to use the belt lol.
Reverse hypers: 3 sets of 40kg x 12
Neut. grip Pullups: 3 sets of 5.

PR's on the squat (for reps) and dead so I'm pretty happy with that

@DatBoi: If you are at 12% bf you don't really have to worry about cutting.


I'm not, I'm around 18-20%


Well, that is a whole lot different. Either way, weightlifting will help you lower it

EDIT:

Just remembered your videoes (the ones where you are deadlifting) and from there I'd say you have nothing to worry about and you sure as hell ain't 20% bf.

Hah thanks a lot! That comment made my day, I thought I would have to be on a cut for like 2 months T.T

So what do you suggest I do? Just lift heavy + eat clean (milk, chicken, meat, oatmeal, cottage cheese, pb, etc)??

Thanks for all the help btw, I really appreciate it.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
June 02 2011 23:36 GMT
#6532
On June 03 2011 08:32 DatBoiRijad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:22 sJarl wrote:
On June 03 2011 08:14 DatBoiRijad wrote:
On June 03 2011 08:10 sJarl wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:41 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Hey guys, I made a website for strength evaluation / 5/3/1 routine generation and a simple progress tracker.. It's probably full of bugs right now but it'd be awesome if you guys try it out and gimme feed back on it.
the website is: http://www.strstd.com

thanks guys!


It's beautiful. Thank you.

Today's workout:

BB Squat: 130kg x 5
Deadlift: 180kg x 5 - forgot to use the belt lol.
Reverse hypers: 3 sets of 40kg x 12
Neut. grip Pullups: 3 sets of 5.

PR's on the squat (for reps) and dead so I'm pretty happy with that

@DatBoi: If you are at 12% bf you don't really have to worry about cutting.


I'm not, I'm around 18-20%


Well, that is a whole lot different. Either way, weightlifting will help you lower it

EDIT:

Just remembered your videoes (the ones where you are deadlifting) and from there I'd say you have nothing to worry about and you sure as hell ain't 20% bf.

Hah thanks a lot! That comment made my day, I thought I would have to be on a cut for like 2 months T.T

So what do you suggest I do? Just lift heavy + eat clean (milk, chicken, meat, oatmeal, cottage cheese, pb, etc)??

Thanks for all the help btw, I really appreciate it.


You're welcome

Yeah, thats the best plan out there. Just remember to get plenty of sleep.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Anabolicqt
Profile Joined March 2011
United States69 Posts
June 02 2011 23:39 GMT
#6533
Took my bodyfat on one of those handheld devices at my gym and it said I'm at 15%.....Yeah I'm gonna say it's wrong.
Eat, Sleep, Lift......Repeat.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
June 02 2011 23:46 GMT
#6534
On June 03 2011 08:39 Anabolicqt wrote:
Took my bodyfat on one of those handheld devices at my gym and it said I'm at 15%.....Yeah I'm gonna say it's wrong.


lololol my calipers say i'm 14% and I'd look fat as hell beside you.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 09:09:26
June 03 2011 07:52 GMT
#6535
On June 03 2011 07:37 Malinor wrote:
Ok, today was pretty hardcore:

Squat: 172,5kg 5-5-5 (tied previous PR)
Press: 76kg 5-5-5 (tied previous PR)
Row: 91kg 5-5-5

I had no speed in my squats today, yesterdays powercleans caused probably more fatigue than I thought. Each single rep was pretty hardcore with questionnable form. But I don't care, got every rep in.
Press was super hard as well, but with less fatigue and better form. I just love press.
Don't care much about rows anymore, powercleans incoming. Form was decent, but my back was very beaten up already. Will keep the weight constant next week.

Noteworthy is that my previous PRs were one set of five, and now I am doing 3x5 with these weights, which is obviously better.


PS: The thread in General "[G] Losing Weight: My Way" makes me want to kill myself while reading it.



one word: BEEEEEEEAST!

edit: the part where he talks about how to get strong is hilarious
edit2: ok crossfit is actually not that bad. was just looking at the routine he posted ^^
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 03 2011 12:42 GMT
#6536
Crossfit isn't the worst thing you could do.

The guy's got his shit down when it comes to motivation and all that crap. He just unfortunately didn't have the knowledge at the time to apply it to maximum efficiency. Most people don't - can't hate on them for that.

So this study showed up on my twitter... American Heart Association meta-analysis admitting Red meat consumption is NOT linked to heart disease, but that processed meat consumption is statistically relevant with CHD, stroke, and diabetes mellitus. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/short/121/21/2271

Been looking for something like this for a while, I'll throw it on the stack for arguments against vegetarianism. If only it'd been able to say red meat was good instead of "it isn't bad" =/.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
June 03 2011 13:05 GMT
#6537
On June 03 2011 21:42 phyre112 wrote:
Crossfit isn't the worst thing you could do.

The guy's got his shit down when it comes to motivation and all that crap. He just unfortunately didn't have the knowledge at the time to apply it to maximum efficiency. Most people don't - can't hate on them for that.


The OP didn't bother me so much, was just a success-story, so why not, there is a lot of ways to achieve weight loss. But the thread itself is cringe-worthy.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
June 03 2011 13:56 GMT
#6538
On June 03 2011 22:05 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 21:42 phyre112 wrote:
Crossfit isn't the worst thing you could do.

The guy's got his shit down when it comes to motivation and all that crap. He just unfortunately didn't have the knowledge at the time to apply it to maximum efficiency. Most people don't - can't hate on them for that.


The OP didn't bother me so much, was just a success-story, so why not, there is a lot of ways to achieve weight loss. But the thread itself is cringe-worthy.


I'll just refer you to the advice from ShitMyDadSays:

Everyone thinks their opinion matters. Don't argue with a nobody. A farmer doesn't bother telling a pig his breath smells like shit.


I tried hard to help people before, but people who can be helped usually don't need to be helped because they listened before. Convincing somebody that their viewpoint is stupid is all in all pretty hopeless because if they were capable of thinking on our level, they wouldn't have been thinking on their level in the first place.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
June 03 2011 14:05 GMT
#6539
On June 03 2011 22:56 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 22:05 Malinor wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:42 phyre112 wrote:
Crossfit isn't the worst thing you could do.

The guy's got his shit down when it comes to motivation and all that crap. He just unfortunately didn't have the knowledge at the time to apply it to maximum efficiency. Most people don't - can't hate on them for that.


The OP didn't bother me so much, was just a success-story, so why not, there is a lot of ways to achieve weight loss. But the thread itself is cringe-worthy.


I'll just refer you to the advice from ShitMyDadSays:

Show nested quote +
Everyone thinks their opinion matters. Don't argue with a nobody. A farmer doesn't bother telling a pig his breath smells like shit.


I tried hard to help people before, but people who can be helped usually don't need to be helped because they listened before. Convincing somebody that their viewpoint is stupid is all in all pretty hopeless because if they were capable of thinking on our level, they wouldn't have been thinking on their level in the first place.

Even worse, by attempting to argue with someone who doesn't listen to reason, you're actually allowing them to make you a victim of their own inability (you basically imply some value to their irrationally-formed opinions).

This is why I would argue that we shouldn't be celebrating things like the ADA admitting red meat isn't bad for you--why should the government even be telling people what to eat in the first place?
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 15:04:22
June 03 2011 14:19 GMT
#6540
I think i just completed a guide how to do 5x5 workout very fast but wrongly...i was in a hurry

Here we go:
+ Show Spoiler +
in 1h 15min gym will be closed...oh crap, steps to take:
-Put on your training clothes, jump on bike
-Cycle throught city using route that has no trafficlights and go as fast as possible(about 7km for me with some heavy hills)
-Enter gym
-5x5 workout? Screw that i am at the beginning, 1x15+1x10 gogogo
(not my maximum weights so i can go more, dont dare to go foward too fast so just following the plan!)
-Benchpress few kg less that squat? Dont care, changing weights takes time.
-Do all other stuff.
-For fun 5min hard cardio on some training machine(simulated running i think)
- STOP no shower now
-Jump on bike, cycle home as fast as possible, taking the longer route for more cardio(10km for me now with 2 hills more, cus i went up/down :D )
-Home, shower and get dressed.

Time: 1h 20minutes, everything went better than expected

On serious note.

Barbell rows just dont feel right, my back doesnt seem to be straight, but i cant get my lower back any more down. And with squats, i am quite tall 203cm. My legs start to hurt on top if i try to go lower than hips leveled with knees, is this problem of stretching and i should improve on that or hips on knees level is ok and i shouldnt be trying to go any lower.
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