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On January 11 2011 03:02 SQUATZ wrote:Gluten is absolutely fine. There is no reason to avoid it unless you have been told to do so by your doctor. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4239.mp3As a side note, when your doctor says one thing, and some guy on Team Liquid says your doctor is wrong, you should always, always, always side with your doctor.
do you even read this thread? Every conjecture is backed up by articles.
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rice is not gluten, but it has similar properties to gluten which can damage your gut. (lectins) Eating rice is a lot better than eating wheat, but it still isnt good for you.
I believe that white rice is actually better to eat than brown rice, because the bran and germ are removed, which contain most (all?) of the dangerous proteins. Unfortunately it also contains the vitamins and minerals, but id rather eat something neutral than a double edged sword personally. If anyone knows more about this id be glad to hear their opinions on it.
Legumes (which include peanuts) also have lectins, and are also less dangerous than gluten. Nuts are generally ok, but they contain high amounts of omega-6 fats, so if you eat lots of nuts (like i recently stopped doing :p), your ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 fats will be thrown out of balance, because nuts are very high in calories. Nuts are healthy in small quantities.
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On January 11 2011 03:28 AoN.DimSum wrote:
do you even read this thread? Every conjecture is backed up by articles.
Just thought I would drop it in so that people had the information.
I don't get into arguments on the internet, because I'm not going to waste my time posting counter articles to your articles, so you can post more articles that contradict my articles, so that I can criticise the methodology, and then you can defend the methodology and we can go back and forth until we start trading insults.
The majority of what I could say is addressed in the mp3 link I posted, I won't waste my time repeating it.
Listen to it or don't listen to it, I don't care.
Also, I can't understand how anyone could disagree with the advice to listen to your doctor over some guys on Team Liquid.
Anyway, the current scientific consensus is that gluten is perfectly fine for most people.
But if you want to cut it out, hey, that's your choice.
Best of luck with your training.
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On January 11 2011 03:50 SQUATZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 03:28 AoN.DimSum wrote:
do you even read this thread? Every conjecture is backed up by articles. Just thought I would drop it in so that people had the information. I don't get into arguments on the internet, because I'm not going to waste my time posting counter articles to your articles, so you can post more articles that contradict my articles, so that I can criticise the methodology, and then you can defend the methodology and we can go back and forth until we start trading insults. The majority of what I could say is addressed in the mp3 link I posted, I won't waste my time repeating it. Listen to it or don't listen to it, I don't care. Also, I can't understand how anyone could disagree with the advice to listen to your doctor over some guys on Team Liquid. Anyway, the current scientific consensus is that gluten is perfectly fine for most people. But if you want to cut it out, hey, that's your choice. Best of luck with your training.
eshlow isn't just 'some guy'. also, the gluten argument is extremely widespread. i go to a military college, and every single one of the physical fitness trainers/staff agree on the low-gluten front.
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On January 11 2011 03:55 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
also, the gluten argument is extremely widespread. i go to a military college, and every single one of the physical fitness trainers/staff agree on the low-gluten front.
Sure is logic in here.
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On January 10 2011 10:43 Rhyme wrote:Is anyone focusing on running? I see a lot of weightlifters posting, but I'm not terribly interested in that. I used to be a runner in high school, and I want to get back on my hooves after a long time sedentary. I'm taking it slow and methodical with the Couch to 5k Program (C25K), specifically using Robert Ullrey's C25K podcasts on my mp3 player. I'm using this program because of how slowly it ramps up to the 5k. I could probably get myself to running 5k's in 2 weeks (based on how fast it took me in the past), but I'm afraid I won't have the willpower. I have some rough options in mind for goals to tackle after I finish C25K: -- 10k, half-marathon, and beyond -- lift a weight for the first time in my life -- get back into swimming -- have a long talk with myself about abandoning vegetarianism It's likely I'll only pick one of these to focus on at first, but I do understand they complement each other. Is anyone else in the "uninterested in weightlifting" minority? If so, what alternative Health and Fitness 2011 goals are you aiming for?
This thread isn't only for weightlifting, it's just that weightlifting happens to be the best way for most of us to achieve our goals, which is often weightloss or weightgain. I'm going to start running when the snow is gone so thanks for the link!
On January 10 2011 22:40 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +I'm still debating a workout plan, so maybe some TLers can give some advice. I definitely want to be lifting 6 days a week. 'A' workout is back/biceps + legs, 'B' workout is chest/shoulders/triceps. I don't want my workouts to exceed 1 hour per day, as the longer it takes the more likely I am to skip a day when I'm busy. So I'm trying to decide whether I should spend 45-60 minutes lifting, or if I should do 30 minutes of lifting followed by 15-20 minutes of swimming. I want to gain weight, but I know doing cardio is a counter force to that... but I want to make sure I'm burning off fat as often as possible and getting fit cardiovascularly. Lift three days a week for an hour a session, and do your cardio on the other three days. Look at the OP for a lifting plan. Bodybuilding splits (what you currently seem to be looking for) are far from ideal for beginners because they stress isolation movements too much and rely on a level of strength for hypertrophy that you do not have. You would be robbing yourself of adding a ton of solid muscle mass in just one to two months by doing this. Starting Strength is a simple, extremely effective program. I recommend you buy (or acquire through other means) the book and read it from cover to cover. The training videos are also very helpful. Don't skimp on this part because you don't want to fuck up your lifts and run the risk of losing potential progress, or even worse, injuring yourself. There is also a Wiki dedicated to the program. Your schedule will look something like this (alternate between A and B for 3 days a week, so you'll do ABA for week 1, BAB for week 2, and so on): Workout A: Bench Press 3(sets)x5(reps) Squat 3(sets)x5(reps) Power Clean 5(sets)x3(reps) Workout B: Overhead Press 3(sets)x5(reps) Squat 3(sets)x5(reps) Deadlift 1(set)x5(reps) The information above does NOT include warmup sets, which you should do (again, read the book or at least check the Wiki). This program is based on compound lifts which will give you muscles you didn't even know you had. Show nested quote +I spotted for a guy benching 115kg yesterday.. was pretty impressed, especially because he didnt look overly buffed or anything. maybe that will be me someday! Strength and muscle mass are not completely related, as I've seen many times. I'm one of the bigger guys in my weight room, but among the young, experienced lifters, I'm also one of the weaker guys. I don't know how guys half my size do 20kg more on bench than I do, but I guess I can't have everything.
Wait, it's 5 sets, 3 reps for power clean? I thought it was 3 sets and 5 reps ? :o
And I'm not gonna work out today, had little to no sleep and I've been working all day. I feel horrible 
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I have been thinking of when I should be working out, I don't know whether to work out before or after wrestling practice. Does it even matter?
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On January 11 2011 03:50 SQUATZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 03:28 AoN.DimSum wrote:
do you even read this thread? Every conjecture is backed up by articles. Just thought I would drop it in so that people had the information. I don't get into arguments on the internet, because I'm not going to waste my time posting counter articles to your articles, so you can post more articles that contradict my articles, so that I can criticise the methodology, and then you can defend the methodology and we can go back and forth until we start trading insults. The majority of what I could say is addressed in the mp3 link I posted, I won't waste my time repeating it. Listen to it or don't listen to it, I don't care. Also, I can't understand how anyone could disagree with the advice to listen to your doctor over some guys on Team Liquid. Anyway, the current scientific consensus is that gluten is perfectly fine for most people. But if you want to cut it out, hey, that's your choice. Best of luck with your training.
I don't understand what the problem is with presenting articles and debating the validity of their information. I think it's healthy for intelligent individuals to discuss their findings so that both parties may benefit from greater understanding. I understand your reluctance to "get into arguments on the internet", but we're all mature adults here (mostly). I think this thread would be a reasonable venue for such a discussion.
On the topic of doctors, I think your mileage can vary a lot, and sometimes it's really hard to say who you can trust. A general practitioner can only do so much to stay updated on all the different fields of medicine. You're going to have better luck with a specialist who really studies the material in-depth.
I am typically very wary of any new findings with relation to diet/nutrition, since there always seems to be a huge cluster fuck of bad information out there. It's hard to know who to trust. I tend to rely on Eshlow since he is passionate about fitness and is very knowledgeable about this stuff.
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On January 11 2011 04:52 Slithe wrote:
I don't understand what the problem is with presenting articles and debating the validity of their information. I think it's healthy for intelligent individuals to discuss their findings so that both parties may benefit from greater understanding. I understand your reluctance to "get into arguments on the internet", but we're all mature adults here (mostly). I think this thread would be a reasonable venue for such a discussion.
On the topic of doctors, I think your mileage can vary a lot, and sometimes it's really hard to say who you can trust. A general practitioner can only do so much to stay updated on all the different fields of medicine. You're going to have better luck with a specialist who really studies the material in-depth.
I am typically very wary of any new findings with relation to diet/nutrition, since there always seems to be a huge cluster fuck of bad information out there. It's hard to know who to trust. I tend to rely on Eshlow since he is passionate about fitness and is very knowledgeable about this stuff.
Generally the statement "I don't get into arguments on the internet" is either a troll attempting to evacuate his topic, and allow a shitstorm to commence, or someone who doesn't actually have the ability to back up what he's saying.
That said, general practitioners in regards to diet are not people who I would give particular deference to. Yeah, they're a doctor. But they're not a specialist. It is their job to identify that there is indeed a problem, and send you to someone who knows what the problem might be. There are plenty of doctors in my family that I would not go to for diet advice. In fact, I'm already healthier than the majority of them.
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On January 11 2011 03:21 decafchicken wrote:
Well speaking about shoulder pain...i havent really thought much about this but i sometimes get pain in my right shoulder join when i move it raised in front of me then move it right, i.e. if i'm sliding a door shut or other movements like that. I feel it kinda in my joint for a quick moment and then its gone. It hasnt affected any of my lifting so far and its been happening for a few months probably? I'm not really sure its just kind of annoying more than anything.
Sounds like maybe some impingement of the anterior part of the labrum... can happen if the posterior shoulder is too tight.
Try doing some internal rotation stretches like sleeper stretch and using a tennis/lacrosse ball to massage the back of your shoulders.
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Also, I listened to that Mp3 and he cited 0 studies so I'm not quite sure why he is saying that what he is saying is the current medical opinion on the subject. Clearly, he is not up to date with the stuff coming out in nutrition journals
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I have a question:
I find myself pretty short on time these days, so I only have about 1 hour or so for the gym, but I can do this every day.
On some days, I do my exercises slower than other, especially on days with deadlifts, so I'm often unable to complete my workout without compromising something like warm up or going at a faster speed than I am comfortable with. Is it okay if I do, for example, squats and deadlifts on one day, then "finish up" my bench press on the day after?
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On January 11 2011 03:57 SQUATZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 03:55 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
also, the gluten argument is extremely widespread. i go to a military college, and every single one of the physical fitness trainers/staff agree on the low-gluten front. Sure is logic in here.
Do you eat the egg white and not the yolk because of the bad bad cholesterol? You seem like that type of person.
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On January 11 2011 06:59 Cambium wrote:
I have a question:
I find myself pretty short on time these days, so I only have about 1 hour or so for the gym, but I can do this every day.
On some days, I do my exercises slower than other, especially on days with deadlifts, so I'm often unable to complete my workout without compromising something like warm up or going at a faster speed than I am comfortable with. Is it okay if I do, for example, squats and deadlifts on one day, then "finish up" my bench press on the day after?
How much time do you have?
It's certainly possible if you're still progressing well enough
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I have about one hour every day, which is not enough for me on some days. Are there advantages for working out three times a week (SS) versus, say, five times a week: same (if not more) amount of exercises just more spread out?
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On January 11 2011 03:50 SQUATZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 03:28 AoN.DimSum wrote:
do you even read this thread? Every conjecture is backed up by articles. Just thought I would drop it in so that people had the information. I don't get into arguments on the internet, because I'm not going to waste my time posting counter articles to your articles, so you can post more articles that contradict my articles, so that I can criticise the methodology, and then you can defend the methodology and we can go back and forth until we start trading insults. The majority of what I could say is addressed in the mp3 link I posted, I won't waste my time repeating it. Listen to it or don't listen to it, I don't care. Also, I can't understand how anyone could disagree with the advice to listen to your doctor over some guys on Team Liquid. Anyway, the current scientific consensus is that gluten is perfectly fine for most people. But if you want to cut it out, hey, that's your choice. Best of luck with your training.
You're being incredibly naive.
Doctors are not know-all beings, and research is not always a slam dunk. Due to external factors such as general resistance to abandon well-supported conjecture, lobbying with certain associations (grain farmers and corn farmers both spend exorbitant amounts of money on lobbying to keep their products "healthy"), and even researchers not wanting to emancipate themselves from the field for career reasons, there is a lot of vague or clearly wrong information out there that we follow just because. Obviously a good doctor will know a lot more about medicine and biology than anybody in this thread, but for certain things, change is slow. This is one of those things.
"Doctors are right because they're doctors" is an unbelievably flimsy argument.
Also, to the person with the power cleans question: yes, it's 5 sets of 3 reps/set. Performance is generally better when the reps are spread out like this.
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On January 11 2011 03:50 SQUATZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 03:28 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Also, I can't understand how anyone could disagree with the advice to listen to your doctor over some guys on Team Liquid.
why would most doctors know more about say, eshlow, when it comes to proper nutrition? doctors don't know EVERYTHING. in fact ltos of them are wrong a lot of the time, and lots of them profess outdated information.
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@DimSum, did you lift against a guy named Fred Lowe at the US Open?
On January 11 2011 04:33 xJupiter9x wrote:
I have been thinking of when I should be working out, I don't know whether to work out before or after wrestling practice. Does it even matter?
I find that i dont have the ability to go to my rugby practices then get a lift in. Its easier for me to go hard in the weight room and then in practice as i feel like i cant get the most out of my lifting sessions after a parctice. But if your wrestling practices as hard as mine were you'll have a hard time doing it no matter what. I'd recommend trying to lift in the morning if your practices are in the afternoon.
On January 11 2011 09:09 Cambium wrote:
I have about one hour every day, which is not enough for me on some days. Are there advantages for working out three times a week (SS) versus, say, five times a week: same (if not more) amount of exercises just more spread out?
Isn't SS designed to only take 45-90 minutes? Might have to do a bit less weight and cut down on time between sets.
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Guys i lift with said if my total is around 210kg i should be pretty solid at their meet in march...combining my bests i'm at 220. So i'm pretty optimistic for march  Had a normal snatch & cj day really thinking about driving my hips, on wednesday i'll do a lot more work from the high hang. Need to work on my jerk, apparently i often slide my hands out a few inches and if i have to re-lock my arms it will cause me to get a miss on my lift
Last two days the only grains i've had are two burger buns and a bowl of oatmeal. Working on it Need to go buy lots of fruits and veggies!
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On January 10 2011 10:43 Rhyme wrote:Is anyone focusing on running? I see a lot of weightlifters posting, but I'm not terribly interested in that. I used to be a runner in high school, and I want to get back on my hooves after a long time sedentary. I'm taking it slow and methodical with the Couch to 5k Program (C25K), specifically using Robert Ullrey's C25K podcasts on my mp3 player. I'm using this program because of how slowly it ramps up to the 5k. I could probably get myself to running 5k's in 2 weeks (based on how fast it took me in the past), but I'm afraid I won't have the willpower. I have some rough options in mind for goals to tackle after I finish C25K: -- 10k, half-marathon, and beyond -- lift a weight for the first time in my life -- get back into swimming -- have a long talk with myself about abandoning vegetarianism It's likely I'll only pick one of these to focus on at first, but I do understand they complement each other. Is anyone else in the "uninterested in weightlifting" minority? If so, what alternative Health and Fitness 2011 goals are you aiming for?
This is pretty far down the line for you but... I think that once you get going, you should focus on running faster, not farther. 5k and 10k are good distances to race at and to train for. There are two dimensions to running, speed and endurance. 5k is a decent combo of both. 10k is getting kinda slow for any runner who isn't really serious about their training (pro 10k runners can run fast as hell) but 5k is a bit too short to really feel like an endurance race. So doing some of both is a good compromise. A half marathon, and especially a marathon, are just completely lacking speed.
Basically the only thing going for marathons is the baseless popular opinion of "running longer is better". Training for 5k/10k is better for overall fitness imo, it's more challenging and diverse training, and they're more fun races. There are people that should run marathons because it's truly their personal preference. But if that's not you, don't do them! Once you've been training for 5k/10k for a while, you can pop out 26.2 one day without much inconvenience anyway, just to say you've done it. Or you can run a marathon ASAP, then recover and start training for a faster 5k/10k, not a faster marathon.
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