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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
March 06 2011 15:02 GMT
#2201
On March 06 2011 19:06 Energies wrote:
My pecdominals are also lacking.


It sounds like your training dinosaurs with that line.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 06 2011 17:56 GMT
#2202
On March 06 2011 23:04 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 15:56 eshlow wrote:
On March 06 2011 15:36 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Silly question:

I'm always WAY stronger on my first lift of the day than on my second or third. For example, if I go BP -> Squat -> Deadlift, BP will be by far the easiest. If I do this I feel like I can add 2kg/session on it, but if not, 1kg/session would be difficult.

Is this normal?


Yes, there is some decrease between sets.

How long are you resting between them though?


5-6 minutes.

And I'm talking about a decrease between exercises with completely different muscle movements. For example, my workout on Friday was:

Squat: 94kg x 5 x 3 (easy)
Bench: 89kg x 5 x 3 (HARD)

My workout on Sunday was:

Press: 64kg x 5 x 3 (easy)
Squat: 98kg x 5 x 3 (hard)

This is despite the fact that I couldn't finish 63kgx5x3 on press last Tuesday. I've been starting with squat in 90% of my workouts, but the 10% of the time that I start with the upper body lift it's far easier to do. Consequently, squats get harder when I do this.


i don't know the reason personally (aside from obv becoming more tired as the workout goes on and/or not resting enough between sets. Although a 5min break after pressing shouldn't really affect your squat i think... maybe the squat weight was just heavy, and next workout if you start with squat, it'll still be hard)

but either way, you have a couple of approaches to take from here (while you're working on figuring it out):
1) alternate the starting lift on a workout-to-workout basis to make good progress on all of them
2) always start with squat cause everyone loves squats
3) always start with your relatively weaker lifts to bring em up to par? (or alternatively, with your stronger lifts to get 'em to beastmode)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 06 2011 20:34 GMT
#2203
Bad workout today, failed on my squat and bench.

Squat 100kg 5x2x3
Bench 65kg 5x3x3
Deadlift 110kg x5

Seems like my days of adding 5kg/session is over. Gonna start adding 2.5 kg from now on.



Funkie, I noticed your squat have gone down since I went on vacation, did you stall ? :o
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
March 06 2011 21:48 GMT
#2204
thanks for the comments on my form guys.
shitty angles=crowded gym so I just put my phone against the wall and took the video lol

@vicariouscheese. They are the shoes I walk around campus with, and their mighty comfy to walk in. lol and I'll try and straighten out my wrists as well.

@eshlow. my weight distribution is around the middle back part of my foot. Right around where the arch ends. I'll work on shifting it towards the back more.
Victory Loves Preparation
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 06 2011 22:03 GMT
#2205
Pretty sure "where the arch ends" is a great place to have your weight. Maybe not 100% ideal, but definitely a step up from mid foot, or even the balls of your feet. Usually weight going forward just means you're leaning over, so control that and you'll get everything in line.

Running shoes may be comfy to walk in, but they're just not solid enough for lifting. Get something with a hard sole - chucks, vans - I lift in something like this and it's great. Basically you want the sturdiest heel (or in my case, the least heel) you can find, so that power transfer from your legs to the floor is more effective. That has consequences for your form, your safety, and for the weight you can put up.

Taken off from lifting since I completed half a workout on wednesday - I really needed this rest. My diet has been crap, my sleeping has been crap, and I was still trying to stress myself to max during the workouts, it just wasn't good for me. Not much I can do about the sleep (exams on thursday, work until 2 am, blah) but I'm going to get the diet back on track and do my best to get back on the track towards beast mode (best mode?)
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
March 06 2011 22:17 GMT
#2206
Yeah, I believe thats where it is. I'll for sure make a mental note to check next time.

And I thought they were only a problem when it came to balance. I guess I was wrong. Maybe I'll start doing it barefoot until I can save up enough money to get some shoes. I'll just be getting some cheap ones. Thanks man.
Victory Loves Preparation
frawress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States22 Posts
March 06 2011 22:38 GMT
#2207
On March 06 2011 04:58 Catch wrote:
Finally got my videos uploaded.
Took me forever, couldn't get them to send from my phone.

Form check 1
Form check 2

hopefully I'm doin it right. Thanks y'all.


If you're reading SS take a look at the hand positioning portion of the squat. From your videos it looks like you might be intercepting some of the weight with your hands since you're gripping the bar with your thumb around instead of on top of the bar. Take a look at pages 20-21 (Fig 2-19-21).
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
March 06 2011 23:40 GMT
#2208
[image loading]
currently cutting. at 150 lbs 20% bodyfat (never, EVER, going to dirty bulk again.) What ratio are my macros suppose to be in during a cut? and I think 52 grams of carbs is fine, and around 160 grams of protein is fine too. right?
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
March 07 2011 00:08 GMT
#2209
On March 07 2011 00:02 Advocado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:06 Energies wrote:
My pecdominals are also lacking.


It sounds like your training dinosaurs with that line.


Nah, the pecdominals are one of the most neglected muscle groups, second only to your bipezius. .
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
March 07 2011 02:30 GMT
#2210
Hey Cambium, are you Chinese? lol just wondering, since even though you covered your face you still look asian.

On topic:

How long does it generally take to up the weight on your workouts?

I started out recently, 3 or 4 weeks ago or so (3 times a week) and I've been doing the lat pull down machine at 70 pounds for a while and I'm still struggling to do even 4 when I try to up it to 85 pounds.
CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
March 07 2011 02:53 GMT
#2211
wooo just went for a jog. When iwas on a really intense hill part i was all like

"Come on you can do it!"

then these cute girls walked by and looked at me strangely

why couldn't I have thought of something clever to say =(
SCV good to go sir
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 02:53:35
March 07 2011 02:53 GMT
#2212
On March 07 2011 11:30 Pandonetho wrote:
Hey Cambium, are you Chinese? lol just wondering, since even though you covered your face you still look asian.

On topic:

How long does it generally take to up the weight on your workouts?

I started out recently, 3 or 4 weeks ago or so (3 times a week) and I've been doing the lat pull down machine at 70 pounds for a while and I'm still struggling to do even 4 when I try to up it to 85 pounds.


I'd bet large amounts of money that he's asian, but just saying chinese is a bit racist

Uh if you're a novice lifter, you should be upping your weights every workout, although accessory lifts (which the lat pull downs are) tend to go up very slowly. What's your workout routine and how long have you been at it?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
March 07 2011 03:13 GMT
#2213
On March 07 2011 11:30 Pandonetho wrote:
Hey Cambium, are you Chinese? lol just wondering, since even though you covered your face you still look asian.

On topic:

How long does it generally take to up the weight on your workouts?

I started out recently, 3 or 4 weeks ago or so (3 times a week) and I've been doing the lat pull down machine at 70 pounds for a while and I'm still struggling to do even 4 when I try to up it to 85 pounds.


yea i'm chinese
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:34:28
March 07 2011 03:34 GMT
#2214
Uh if you're a novice lifter, you should be upping your weights every workout, although accessory lifts (which the lat pull downs are) tend to go up very slowly. What's your workout routine and how long have you been at it?


I'm not a weight lifter, I'm just looking to get fit and stronger. I'm starting pretty casually atm but will soon move to work out 5 days a week once I get more comfortable with it.

I've been at it since I think the last week of February or maybe mid Feb. I was sore for a whole week though from my very first work out so I didn't get much progress done when I first started. Now it's more routine. So far I've been alternating every 2 days between back/biceps and chest/shoulders (haven't started on legs yet because I haven't yet learned how to do deadlifts and such).

I'm pretty weak so I started at like 15 for curls but recently managed to start doing 20s. For lat pull downs I've been doing 70 since the start and still struggle to put it up 1 weight (to 85 pounds).

yea i'm chinese


Cool, me too =)
invisible.terran
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
March 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#2215
Hi TL mates, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. But i don't know what exercise is suitable for me. I'm 17, 165cm, ~55kg. I just want to be fit, healthy and maybe a little taller, not muscle or anything. Can you guys provide me some help =)
"Until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for." - Idra
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 04:04:19
March 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#2216
On March 07 2011 12:34 Pandonetho wrote:
Show nested quote +
Uh if you're a novice lifter, you should be upping your weights every workout, although accessory lifts (which the lat pull downs are) tend to go up very slowly. What's your workout routine and how long have you been at it?


I'm not a weight lifter, I'm just looking to get fit and stronger. I'm starting pretty casually atm but will soon move to work out 5 days a week once I get more comfortable with it.

I've been at it since I think the last week of February or maybe mid Feb. I was sore for a whole week though from my very first work out so I didn't get much progress done when I first started. Now it's more routine. So far I've been alternating every 2 days between back/biceps and chest/shoulders (haven't started on legs yet because I haven't yet learned how to do deadlifts and such).

I'm pretty weak so I started at like 15 for curls but recently managed to start doing 20s. For lat pull downs I've been doing 70 since the start and still struggle to put it up 1 weight (to 85 pounds).

Show nested quote +
yea i'm chinese


Cool, me too =)


Just to beat everyone else to it you might want to check out starting strength and *why* it's recommended, even for someone who's "not a weight lifter". I think you're assuming that SS and some of us are trying to get into powerlifting or olympic lifting (which some are), but there are people - myself included- that are lifting for looks, which I think falls more under "get fit and stronger", not necessarily the weight lifter label. And when I say weight lifter, I actually meant literally anyone who lifts weights- so you are one

Run on sentences ftw.

Also decaf, I was watching TL attack #1 with incontrol and I saw you (or someone who stole your name :O) talking in the chat

edit: same goes for invisible.terran, you can't get fit without increasing your muscle.. but getting noticeably bigger is a function of how you eat. So eating at maintenance or below maintenance = better body (fit and healthy as you say) without bulking. in general.
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 04:03:45
March 07 2011 04:03 GMT
#2217
double post shenanigans
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
March 07 2011 04:05 GMT
#2218
Haha, when you're squatting with 3 plates and deadlifting with almost 4, no one asks you how many sets you have left, regardless of how long you take.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
March 07 2011 04:16 GMT
#2219
On March 07 2011 12:34 Pandonetho wrote:
Show nested quote +
Uh if you're a novice lifter, you should be upping your weights every workout, although accessory lifts (which the lat pull downs are) tend to go up very slowly. What's your workout routine and how long have you been at it?


I'm not a weight lifter, I'm just looking to get fit and stronger. I'm starting pretty casually atm but will soon move to work out 5 days a week once I get more comfortable with it.

I've been at it since I think the last week of February or maybe mid Feb. I was sore for a whole week though from my very first work out so I didn't get much progress done when I first started. Now it's more routine. So far I've been alternating every 2 days between back/biceps and chest/shoulders (haven't started on legs yet because I haven't yet learned how to do deadlifts and such).

I'm pretty weak so I started at like 15 for curls but recently managed to start doing 20s. For lat pull downs I've been doing 70 since the start and still struggle to put it up 1 weight (to 85 pounds).

Show nested quote +
yea i'm chinese


Cool, me too =)


You should probably read the OP and adopt one of its programs ... you don't have to be a "weight lifter" to benefit from a good lifting program. Bicep curls are one of the most useless exercises in the world, possibly only beaten out by wrist curls and calf raises. Lat pulldowns are OK, but generally beaten out by pull ups/chin ups or movements that will lead to you being able to complete pull ups and chin ups.

I may come across as a monumental prick saying this kind of thing, but I'm just telling you for your own good. At the novice level, following any program other than Starting Strength or Stronglifts 5x5 (or perhaps a similar program) is only robbing yourself of monumental strength and aesthetics progress that you could be making.

In my opinion, make the switch ASAP! I guarantee you won't regret it at all.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 07 2011 04:36 GMT
#2220
Getting stronger is mostly a function of the program you're on. Getting huge is a function of your program and your diet. If you keep eating like a horse, and increasing your lifts, you'll end up looking beastly. If you eat less than a full horse at each meal, you won't get as big. Apply that philosophy until you reach a balance that you're happy with - but definitely get onto a full body, compound lift focused routine.

Machines are bleh. Even machines based on a cable, which naturally give some freedom to your ROM (the biggest problem with machines) still limit you because you have to move up 15 or even more pounds at a time. Try just doing assisted pullups or controlled negative pull ups instead of lat pull downs - if you absolutely MUST do them, you can stack a 5 pound plate on top of the weight you're lifting to make smaller increments and build your way up to the next brick.
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