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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13535 Posts
February 28 2011 11:04 GMT
#2041
Got through 110kg squats today. Form felt good but I didn't get to 5 on the last set.
Powerclean @ 60kgs and rising. Had a bit of a plateau but getting through.
Bench press is still weak as due to my shoulders. Struggled hard at 77.5kgs.. 1x5, 1x4, 1x4
Feeling good enought to start adding to weight to dips again.
What's the best way to go about pull-ups/chin ups. As in should I 3x5 or 3xfailure?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
February 28 2011 12:10 GMT
#2042
To failure for sure, and just when you're about to fail with strict form, power rage up, starting kipping and try to get another 5-6 reps out of it.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13535 Posts
February 28 2011 12:15 GMT
#2043
When should I start adding weight?

Eg I can get through 5x5 with 10-20kgs NP, but if I did to failure I'd prob top out around 11-12 without weight. Those number decrease with sets too.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
February 28 2011 12:24 GMT
#2044
Start adding weight once you can do 3x10 unweighted. Then just progress adding 1.25kg/workout. Same with dips
u gotta sk8
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 12:33:53
February 28 2011 12:31 GMT
#2045
I wouldn't recommend doing kipping pullups with dumbbells between your legs though. Not unless you have some serious coordination.

I don't think 1.25kg is enough though. You can easily gain 2-3kg in a weekend drinking and eating binge. I Started by adding 5-10kg I'd manage to get a few reps out then I dropped the weight It would feel like I had wings and I'd be able to do another 6-8 reps.

For me pullups by far have the slowest recovery rate from fatigue, I can probably smash out a set of my heaviest squats, wait 5 min and do it again. But I couldn't replicate any of my beast mode pullup routines more than once every couple of days so I prefer to go as heavy as I can and as many as I can rather than 2-3 sets.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 12:42:28
February 28 2011 12:41 GMT
#2046
On February 28 2011 19:58 Necosarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 12:56 AoN.DimSum wrote:


i suck at jerks lol


That clean was sexy :3

Out of curiosity, how did you start your training? Did you walk in to an oly lifting club and started throw weights right away or was you put on a program or something? Did you do any training before you started oly lifting?


Damn i didnt even check the video. I still didnt turn the other video upright.
uh i started learning a little bit a few months before at uni. I had lifted weights for years but not with good form. I sorta did my own thing when I joined a oly club but eventually I started talking to the coach and he put me on a program.


@phyre im sure I can get u in if I ask someone lol

by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
February 28 2011 13:00 GMT
#2047
On February 27 2011 18:15 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 17:42 doktorLucifer wrote:
I'm training to gain weight and I'm making some progress, but I am only on campus (where the only gym I have access to is) 4 times a week. I'm sure it's not such a great idea to lift two consecutive days, so I'm just lifting M/W.

In the last 1.5ish months, I brought my lifts from

squat: 3x5x120 lbs
deadlift: 1x5x155
bench: 3x5x95

to

squat: 3x5x145
deadlift: 1x5x175
bench: 3x5x120

If I can only lift twice a week, are there any sort of adjustments I can make to make the most out these sessions? Sometimes, I don't even have the time or energy to bench after squatting and deadlifting.


Why not go to school on Friday too? I mean, going to the gym isn't really convenient for anybody. I have to ride my bike 15 minutes one way, which isn't so bad, but the time does add up.

Today's workout was pretty beastly for me. At 90kg body weight:

Squat: 105kgx5x3 (olympic style with the depth and back position; gonna work my way up with this type of squat now).
Bench: 90kgx5x3 (easy)
Dead: 160kgx5x1 (hard)
Dip: 13.5kgx5x2

I can deadlift 2x BW now, which feels pretty awesome. It's probably my favorite exercise besides bench press, just because everyone fucking loves the bench press.

Show nested quote +
dimsum is there a reason why all the squatters in those vids were doing half squats? O.o


They were hitting parallel every time ... parallel and lower = legit.



how's that ass to grass squat working for you? (I did 106kg x 3 x 5 on friday) :o.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
February 28 2011 13:16 GMT
#2048
On February 28 2011 18:43 nataziel wrote:
Fuck. Just failed squats @ 75kg for the third time, time to deload. I failed my Bench press, overhead press and dead lifts last time I did them too . I think once I deload my squats everything should sort itself out because these squats are fucking killing me and making every workout soooo draining, with less effort in squats I'll have more energy for the rest of my workout. On the plus side I can now hang power clean correctly so 40kg actually felt easier than 37.5kg. And I made my 8.75kg chinups 3x5 despite a sore left arm which I hope comes good before I next have to OHP =/

I was kinda pissed that I had to deload, but now that I think about it, I feel like it's a blessing. It's soooo crushing to fail every 5x5 twice before I make it JUST to the next level of weight. Hopefully this'll push me through the plateau I seem to have hit


are you eating and sleeping enough? keep at it!

had a pretty tough workout today.
squat 3x5x110kg
press 3x5x55kg
deadlift 1x5x130kg

relieved that I managed to get three sets across on the squat since I went 5x3x5x107.5kg on friday last week. booyah!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 28 2011 15:05 GMT
#2049
I was reading a newsletter from my uni bashing low carb diets, aimed at the atkins diet. http://pcrm.org/health/reports/highprotein_registry.html

Is it the no carb intake that makes it so bad?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
frawress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States22 Posts
February 28 2011 15:18 GMT
#2050
On February 28 2011 03:55 JeeJee wrote:
sore or tired, frawress?
if it's soreness, that's fine when you're starting to lift, it'll go away eventually (i think took me 4 workouts or so). then again, this depends on the volume you're doing as well. but for 3x5 i didn't really get sore after the 'initiation period'
if you're tired after your warmups, you're probably warming up too much
iirc your worksets were at 45? if so, then 20, 30, 40 1x5 is a little much for warmup i think. there's some SS formula or something, but i usually wing it using these guidelines
-4 sets of warmups, 5,5,3,2 reps each
-start around half workset weight and go up to like 80-90%
so you'd be something like 20x5, 20x5, 30x3, 40x2 -> worksets 45x5x3


edit: oh yeah, took last week off weights completely for my trip to states. was 4 months in a row of not missing any workout so i guess it can't hurt to have a little break, although i still feel quite guilty. can't wait to hit the weights tomorrow


I think it's soreness. I also don't think I am warming up properly before actually starting my lifts so I'll try that and decrease the number of reps like SS says to and see how that goes.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 28 2011 20:37 GMT
#2051
Not to failure is better for strength....

I tend to recommend if you're doing 3x5 for strength to pick a weight approximately that you'll be able to complete the 5 reps about 1 rep short of failure

http://jap.physiology.org/content/100/5/1647.full
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 28 2011 20:48 GMT
#2052
On March 01 2011 00:05 AoN.DimSum wrote:
I was reading a newsletter from my uni bashing low carb diets, aimed at the atkins diet. http://pcrm.org/health/reports/highprotein_registry.html

Is it the no carb intake that makes it so bad?


http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext

This report counteracts all of that.


Basically, when you take a population that eats crappy foods, and start to put them on a low carb high protein high fat diet it depends on a lot of factors.

If the fats are from TERRIBLE sources (e.g. processed vegetable/seed oils = lots of polyunsat omega 6, trans fats, etc) from processed foods you'll see worsening of symptoms.

If the fats are good, omega 3s, animal fats, butter, etc. you'll generally see improvement of symptoms.


Again, look at this starch restricted, high saturated fat diet in people with a high degree of atheroschlerosis (heart disease):

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/78/11/1331.short

Improvement of all cardiovascular risk factors, no worsening of symptoms


No carb intake doesn't mean much... just for the body you'll be burning more fat as fuel, and the liver will kick in with gluconeogenesis for maintenance of glucose levels in the bloodstream.

No more no less
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
February 28 2011 23:36 GMT
#2053
On February 28 2011 22:16 Zafrumi wrote:
are you eating and sleeping enough? keep at it!

had a pretty tough workout today.
squat 3x5x110kg
press 3x5x55kg
deadlift 1x5x130kg

relieved that I managed to get three sets across on the squat since I went 5x3x5x107.5kg on friday last week. booyah!


I'm sleeping enough but I've been finding it hard to eat enough as I'm poor as fuck and there's no goddamn food in the house. Yesterday was my first day back at uni too, so I actually did stuff all day then worked out, when I'm used to doing nothing all day then working out.
u gotta sk8
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20173 Posts
March 01 2011 00:21 GMT
#2054
Had my first actual snatch workout in like 10 days. Got up to 90kg really solid without pain...although i'm kinda feelin it in my shoulders now so i'm gonna roll them out with a softball asap and take some motrin. Did some light clean and jerks up to 100kg but didn't feel like going past that and finished up with some triples at squats 315/365/385

On the downside, the freshman football team was being taught how to do squats/bench/deadlifts.
Apparently the proper way to teach squats is to load up these 5'6 120 pound kids with 145 on the bar, give them a pelt + bar pad and have them do box squats 1/4 of the way down while keeping the weight on their toes. I'm going to be having words with this coach soon. Also i may or may not have a pregnancy to deal with! (leaning heavily towards "not pregnant" on this one, but can't be entirely sure till blood test tomorrow T_T)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
March 01 2011 01:08 GMT
#2055
On March 01 2011 09:21 decafchicken wrote:
Had my first actual snatch workout in like 10 days. Got up to 90kg really solid without pain...although i'm kinda feelin it in my shoulders now so i'm gonna roll them out with a softball asap and take some motrin. Did some light clean and jerks up to 100kg but didn't feel like going past that and finished up with some triples at squats 315/365/385

On the downside, the freshman football team was being taught how to do squats/bench/deadlifts.
Apparently the proper way to teach squats is to load up these 5'6 120 pound kids with 145 on the bar, give them a pelt + bar pad and have them do box squats 1/4 of the way down while keeping the weight on their toes. I'm going to be having words with this coach soon. Also i may or may not have a pregnancy to deal with! (leaning heavily towards "not pregnant" on this one, but can't be entirely sure till blood test tomorrow T_T)


Look on the bright side ... preggo sex is awesome.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20173 Posts
March 01 2011 01:13 GMT
#2056
haha not when its some freshmen girl im not dating....children are not an option for like 10 more years
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 01:44:00
March 01 2011 01:41 GMT
#2057
Yeah, I've been there. I've stopped taking women seriously with that just because it happens so often. I've had dozens of scares but never a pregnant girl.

I always just pull out too, and a lot of girls are willing to let you do that but don't trust the method. I mean, it's very effective, but they don't think so... but they let me go raw until the sun comes up.

Women are strange.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
March 01 2011 02:00 GMT
#2058
On March 01 2011 05:48 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 00:05 AoN.DimSum wrote:
I was reading a newsletter from my uni bashing low carb diets, aimed at the atkins diet. http://pcrm.org/health/reports/highprotein_registry.html

Is it the no carb intake that makes it so bad?


http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext

This report counteracts all of that.


Basically, when you take a population that eats crappy foods, and start to put them on a low carb high protein high fat diet it depends on a lot of factors.

If the fats are from TERRIBLE sources (e.g. processed vegetable/seed oils = lots of polyunsat omega 6, trans fats, etc) from processed foods you'll see worsening of symptoms.

If the fats are good, omega 3s, animal fats, butter, etc. you'll generally see improvement of symptoms.


Again, look at this starch restricted, high saturated fat diet in people with a high degree of atheroschlerosis (heart disease):

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/78/11/1331.short

Improvement of all cardiovascular risk factors, no worsening of symptoms


No carb intake doesn't mean much... just for the body you'll be burning more fat as fuel, and the liver will kick in with gluconeogenesis for maintenance of glucose levels in the bloodstream.

No more no less

ok cool thanks eshlow :D
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
March 01 2011 05:29 GMT
#2059
Man, wasn't able to do much at all today, what with the lack of sleep.

Squat: 3x3x155 lbs. (sorry for using Imperial units, I'm just too used to them)
Standing press: 3x3x65
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20173 Posts
March 01 2011 06:58 GMT
#2060
Eshlow/anyone else thoughts on this: http://www.arnicare.com/site/index.php ?
Some homeopathic cream for soreness/bruises.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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