PRESS RELEASE GREG ‘IDRA’ FIELDS DEBUTS EXCLUSIVE STARCRAFT II STRATEGY TRAINING VIDEO SERIES ON SIXPOOLGAMING.COM
08 August 2012 (Las Vegas, USA) – SixPoolGaming.com today launches an exclusive StarCraft II strategy training video series with top professional Starcraft II player Greg ‘IdrA’ Fields – providing StarCraft II players a chance to learn from one of Starcraft’s most experienced and popular pros.
“IdrA is an elite player and I’m thrilled to have him on the SPG team. The most exciting thing to me about IdrA’s content is that it’s not just training videos from one of the best Zerg players in the world - it’s high quality content shot in-studio from one of the best teachers in Starcraft,” said Jason Somerville, founder of SPG. “His teaching abilities are amongst the finest in the industry and players of all skill levels will learn from the extensive insights he shares in his videos for a small fraction of what the same training would’ve cost in one-on-one coaching with him.”
"Evil Geniuses is enthusiastic about collaborating with Six Pool Gaming on the production of high-quality instructional video content, featuring EG's prominent professional players, including IdrA himself," remarked EG CEO Alexander Garfield.
SixPoolGaming.com launched in July 2012 and plans to consistently release IdrA content going forward weekly.
“We want users to be able to expect a steady stream of new IdrA content. We will begin releasing his content Friday of this week, and will do so every Friday hereafter. We deem Fridays ‘IdrA Day’ at SPG going forward,” said Krystal Steininger, Director of Marketing for SPG.
Gamers and IdrA fans alike can see a sneak preview of IdrA’s first SixPoolGaming.com release here:
Professional StarCraft II gamers Jeff “INcontrol” Robinson, Andre “Gretorp” Hengchua, Jonathan “DarkForcE” Belke, Lok-Yin “KawaiiRice” Kwong, Dan “ViBe” Scherlong and Tim “meRz” Olsen help round out the list of just some of the SixPoolGaming.com training content providers.
For more information on Greg “IdrA” Fields exclusive strategy training videos, please visit: http://www.sixpoolgaming.com
On August 11 2012 06:00 Kamwah wrote: Don't see how someone with such a jaded view on balance can give training vids.
Although IdrA has a long history of balance whining, I think/hope he can be proffessional enough to keep them out of these videos. You wont improve more by saying something is stupid and unbalanced anyway.
cannot wait to watch. For all the crap he gets he is my favorite player by far. Also the thing below the video has Incontrol's first name as Jeff... its Geoff haha
Good for Idra and I'm actually glad that he and a couple other pros are willing to talk about balance when they see it. I don't like the pressure not to talk about balance, affirm it whenever able, criticise anybody who says this or that is not balanced.
Hard as it would be to prove imbalance if it existed (it is totally impossible to account for all potential situations and determine the impact of factors other than skill in such a way as to defeat someone who insisted that you had the burden of proof), Idra has more credibility when he says that imbalance exists than anybody (really anybody, even a player who's better than Idra is) who simply accepts it as a dogma that the game is balanced. And still quite a few people who do reach the conclusion on their own without accepting perfect balance as a dogma.
To his credit, I've heard that Idra once pointed out alleged imbalance that favoured his own race against another, and his words (if repeated properly) were that it would be imbalanced to use that advantage in that particular matchup. So in a way he could be interpreted as hinting that one should perhaps choose to play without using a perceived unfair advantage that the game allowed him to use. How is that poor sportsmanship on Idra's part?
Didn't this exact same thing happen like a year ago as I remember him and incontrol joining it a year ago? Is this just to remind people or is it because his contract got renewed? http://www.sixpoolgaming.com/pros/idra/ December 20, 2011
$15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
Everywhere? You mean when pros commentate on their play while streaming? That's pretty rare tbh. I wouldn't pay for those VODs either, but afaik there is no similar content available for free.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
Everywhere? You mean when pros commentate on their play while streaming? That's pretty rare tbh. I wouldn't pay for those VODs either, but afaik there is no similar content available for free.
Axslav, grubby, suppy and many others go through their replays often and analyze the play pretty thoroughly.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
Everywhere? You mean when pros commentate on their play while streaming? That's pretty rare tbh. I wouldn't pay for those VODs either, but afaik there is no similar content available for free.
Axslav, grubby, suppy and many others go through their replays often and analyze the play pretty thoroughly.
Oh, do they? Hm, my bad, I don't watch their streams so I wasn't aware. I could imagine that that might change though, once those players become part of 6pool gaming.
On August 11 2012 07:00 -Kaiser- wrote: Pretty awesome. I feel like it's getting harder and harder to call him an elite player though. The average GM is getting too close.
The average GM doesn't take tournament games off TaeJa or stay within top ten GM. You're correct insofar as he's no longer "Elite," but the average GM is nowhere close.
On August 11 2012 06:00 Kamwah wrote: Don't see how someone with such a jaded view on balance can give training vids.
Despite what he's said regarding balance, he's a better player than you, he knows more about the game than you, and I am sure that he has a lot of knowledge to offer. He's one of the most knowledgable players in the foreign community, we should all be happy that he's going to be sharing that through SPG.
why wouldn't gretorp and xeris be good analytically? When gretorp actually streams its actually quite interesting, and i can not say for certain about xeris but he more than appears to be a very intelligent person.
Anyone the preview of idra clip was very well done. I love it when idra talks during his stream games
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
It's not shady, and they're not the first site to do something like this.
can some one tell my why this user got warned? just because he posted a gameplay?
Isn't it obvious? It has nothing to do with the post. Just another jab at Idra showing one of his embarrassing moments.
I found the guy's post rather informative because I haven't seen that particularly replay. Anyone no where I can find it?
On the main point, if the user would have written something thoughtful & mature rather than "sorry couldn't resist" in all caps, then he wouldn't have been banned.
+1 to the mod because a lot of us are in our 30's and don't think pointless humor is all that funny. We'd rather have a starcraft forum where we can learn about the game, share our love about the game, and join fan clubs for our favorite players.
Anytime someone makes the forums a worse place, then it shows a lack of maturity or a lack of age. Maybe I'm old compared to everyone now (age early 30's) but I still can overlook this kind of stuff, as long as it is infrequent.
Guys, don't be so harsh on Idra. The thread says "training vids." I'm pretty sure Idra is qualified enough to teach a wood league zerg how to 6 pool an easy computer on a very small map like bloodbath or something and win. Let's just be happy that this will take time away from him so he wont be showing up at professional tournaments as much and showing us his rage in front of a huge crowd live.
EDIT: The other guy was warned because he wasn't as constructive as me with his criticism.
IdrA has such sick knowledge of timings and what scouting info means. When he talked while streaming it was amazing, so this should be too. Not saying it is worth 15$ though.
On August 11 2012 15:21 MaxViktory wrote: IdrA has such sick knowledge of timings and what scouting info means. When he talked while streaming it was amazing, so this should be too. Not saying it is worth 15$ though.
Ya its surprising that he doesn't post better results than he does. With his mechanics, game knowledge, experience and constant training. You would expect him to be making MLG pool play etc.
I really don't like the sentiment that if people talk about balance, they're immediately evil or bad. If nobody talked about it, Blizzard wouldn't even waste their time. Besides, whenever IdrA talks about balance, his opinions are usually supported by facts. I think most of you are just mad that he's usually right when does talk about it. I think IdrA would be a great teacher.
Can somebody explain to me what kind of person would sign up for a service like 6 pool gaming? I don't quite get it. Either you're a high level player and improve upon practicing in which case basic tutorial videos from pros won't be beneficial to you as I doubt a high master learns something from watching a pro executing a basic build or you are a low level gamer who plays starcraft for fun then why should you pay for strategy videos?
On August 11 2012 22:52 Baio wrote: Can somebody explain to me what kind of person would sign up for a service like 6 pool gaming? I don't quite get it. Either you're a high level player and improve upon practicing in which case basic tutorial videos from pros won't be beneficial to you as I doubt a high master learns something from watching a pro executing a basic build or you are a low level gamer who plays starcraft for fun then why should you pay for strategy videos?
Winning is fun for a lot of people. At low levels having 1 sick build for every match up could easily promote you a league.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
can some one tell my why this user got warned? just because he posted a gameplay?
Isn't it obvious? It has nothing to do with the post. Just another jab at Idra showing one of his embarrassing moments.
I found the guy's post rather informative because I haven't seen that particularly replay. Anyone no where I can find it?
On the main point, if the user would have written something thoughtful & mature rather than "sorry couldn't resist" in all caps, then he wouldn't have been banned.
+1 to the mod because a lot of us are in our 30's and don't think pointless humor is all that funny. We'd rather have a starcraft forum where we can learn about the game, share our love about the game, and join fan clubs for our favorite players.
Anytime someone makes the forums a worse place, then it shows a lack of maturity or a lack of age. Maybe I'm old compared to everyone now (age early 30's) but I still can overlook this kind of stuff, as long as it is infrequent.
TBH i thought it was funny
Idras demeanor whilst making him an entertaining player would not of put him on my list of peopel to pay for sc2 tutoring. That said i hope it goes well for him
You cannot deny that outside of korea he is very strong. Its a shame that his results dont obviously reflect the work hes put in
I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
On August 12 2012 02:25 GT3 wrote: I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
Thats nonsense. IdrA has always been very professional in casting and videos. He has insane game knowledge and expresses himself very good. You don't have to like him for his rage moments but bashing him and saying he'd do biased commentary is bullshit.
can some one tell my why this user got warned? just because he posted a gameplay?
Isn't it obvious? It has nothing to do with the post. Just another jab at Idra showing one of his embarrassing moments.
I found the guy's post rather informative because I haven't seen that particularly replay. Anyone no where I can find it?
On the main point, if the user would have written something thoughtful & mature rather than "sorry couldn't resist" in all caps, then he wouldn't have been banned.
+1 to the mod because a lot of us are in our 30's and don't think pointless humor is all that funny. We'd rather have a starcraft forum where we can learn about the game, share our love about the game, and join fan clubs for our favorite players.
Anytime someone makes the forums a worse place, then it shows a lack of maturity or a lack of age. Maybe I'm old compared to everyone now (age early 30's) but I still can overlook this kind of stuff, as long as it is infrequent.
Why do you mention that you're in your 30s twice in your post? It doesn't mean anything. And there is no such thing as pointless humor.
Oh well, IdrA is pretty smart, but I'm still of the opinion that instructional videos are useless since there are so many readily available streams and replays out there for free.
On August 11 2012 13:53 Xuther wrote: Guys, don't be so harsh on Idra. The thread says "training vids." I'm pretty sure Idra is qualified enough to teach a wood league zerg how to 6 pool an easy computer on a very small map like bloodbath or something and win. Let's just be happy that this will take time away from him so he wont be showing up at professional tournaments as much and showing us his rage in front of a huge crowd live.
EDIT: The other guy was warned because he wasn't as constructive as me with his criticism.
Posting a somewhat amusing replay and possibly in good cheer is not actually less constructive than your "wood league" comment. It only contains fewer words. But less is more sometimes. That replay is something Idra either already laughs about or eventually will, while your comment is basically a many-worded, subtle way of saying Idra is a poor player or poor teacher material.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the videos. IdrA's a favorite of mine, and I would like to see him perform well as far as an instructional video goes.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.net??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
edit: i made a terrible mistake, and I'll never be forgiven.net.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.com??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
I think you're splitting hairs. Hyperbole is a pretty common aspect of advertising. Subway calls itself a "restaurant" chain, would you call them liars for not calling themselves fast food? It's just an advertising tool. Most car companies say that their car is "the best in its class" or likewise... I'm pretty sure a Mercedes sedan is better than a Kia sedan, but Kia advertises itself as the best, doesn't make it true.
I'm not defending advertising methods, but I'm questioning your apparent rage at a company just following relatively standard industry standards for marketing and advertising. You might believe that SPG content isn't worth it, that's fine -- nobody is forcing you to purchase a subscription or watch content, but others might be interested.
On August 12 2012 02:25 GT3 wrote: I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
It doesn't matter if Idra is bias, there's no real bias anyway other than Idra giving his own opinion. Koreans can't do a "training video" because even if they know english like MC the quality is still reduced by the english(if you suggest game play only/a replay then there would be no sense in doing this series since anyone can watch vods or replays).
Idra seems to spend so much time doing training videos and shit like this, while most other pro gamers (you know, like all the koreans that own idra) are training their asses off full time.
On August 12 2012 15:43 Maeldun wrote: Idra seems to spend so much time doing training videos and shit like this, while most other pro gamers (you know, like all the koreans that own idra) are training their asses off full time.
This post is so out of touch with reality it's staggering
On August 12 2012 02:25 GT3 wrote: I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
It doesn't matter if Idra is bias, there's no real bias anyway other than Idra giving his own opinion. Koreans can't do a "training video" because even if they know english like MC the quality is still reduced by the english(if you suggest game play only/a replay then there would be no sense in doing this series since anyone can watch vods or replays).
Not sure how Stephano saying that he doesn't know why and how he does what he does and that it's easy would be helpful to anyone's training.
I don't even know what bias/ridiculous imba talk of Idra you all are referring to. In the early days he claimed that Terran was OP. Since then, Terran got nerfed heavily, and at the time, many others including Morrow who defeated Idra with mass reaper in IEM agreed about T's imbalance. Later he claimed Protoss was slightly OP, and Zerg got buffed since then. During all those times in which many thought their own race was UP, Idra turned out to be right.
Besides, I never heard much bias when Idra did analysis or commentary. You can't measure his analytic insight by his statements when raging. That's a completeley different story, as it is for many of us.
Guys i am pretty sure both at some point have accepted money for playing.
It doesn't matter when or how indirectly (eg travel or some part of trip subsidized) ... that means they have played professionally.
TBH its pretty ingeniousness, sneaky and even liable to suggest that they are not pro players without sufficient research and evidence to prove that they are not.
Can we please stop slandering people who are trying to make a living in the gaming world - one which i bet most posters trolling this thread would be extatic to be a part of.
On August 12 2012 02:25 GT3 wrote: I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
It doesn't matter if Idra is bias, there's no real bias anyway other than Idra giving his own opinion. Koreans can't do a "training video" because even if they know english like MC the quality is still reduced by the english(if you suggest game play only/a replay then there would be no sense in doing this series since anyone can watch vods or replays).
Not sure how Stephano saying that he doesn't know why and how he does what he does and that it's easy would be helpful to anyone's training.
I don't even know what bias/ridiculous imba talk of Idra you all are referring to. In the early days he claimed that Terran was OP. Since then, Terran got nerfed heavily, and at the time, many others including Morrow who defeated Idra with mass reaper in IEM agreed about T's imbalance. Later he claimed Protoss was slightly OP, and Zerg got buffed since then. During all those times in which many thought their own race was UP, Idra turned out to be right.
Besides, I never heard much bias when Idra did analysis or commentary. You can't measure his analytic insight by his statements when raging. That's a completeley different story, as it is for many of us.
Lol man... where and when in time did Idra ever say P was "slightly OP". All he does is complain and bitch abou how other races are way OP and that it's the only reason he loses. He was very good in BW and now he's lost touch with reality. I hope ad some point EG drops him and he goes fucking begging on the street. What a low-life piece of c**p.
On August 12 2012 23:02 MrTortoise wrote: TBH its pretty ingeniousness, sneaky and even liable to suggest that they are not pro players without sufficient research and evidence to prove that they are not.
On August 12 2012 02:25 GT3 wrote: I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
It doesn't matter if Idra is bias, there's no real bias anyway other than Idra giving his own opinion. Koreans can't do a "training video" because even if they know english like MC the quality is still reduced by the english(if you suggest game play only/a replay then there would be no sense in doing this series since anyone can watch vods or replays).
Not sure how Stephano saying that he doesn't know why and how he does what he does and that it's easy would be helpful to anyone's training.
I don't even know what bias/ridiculous imba talk of Idra you all are referring to. In the early days he claimed that Terran was OP. Since then, Terran got nerfed heavily, and at the time, many others including Morrow who defeated Idra with mass reaper in IEM agreed about T's imbalance. Later he claimed Protoss was slightly OP, and Zerg got buffed since then. During all those times in which many thought their own race was UP, Idra turned out to be right.
Besides, I never heard much bias when Idra did analysis or commentary. You can't measure his analytic insight by his statements when raging. That's a completeley different story, as it is for many of us.
Lol man... where and when in time did Idra ever say P was "slightly OP". All he does is complain and bitch abou how other races are way OP and that it's the only reason he loses. He was very good in BW and now he's lost touch with reality. I hope ad some point EG drops him and he goes fucking begging on the street. What a low-life piece of c**p.
Since your last two remarks clearly show that you're up to an unbiased, rational discussion, give us one quote outside of ingame raging where he claims that imbalance is the only reason he loses. Shouldn't be hard if he does it "all the time".
By the way, he is seeing a sports psychologist because of imbalance his rage issues. Are you?
a guy like idra should be banned for his BM..why ppl like him..he was already hilarious on bw complaining about carriers.. seriously..go back to training or just stop playing oo;;
On August 13 2012 03:19 Notsober wrote: a guy like idra should be banned for his BM..why ppl like him..he was already hilarious on bw complaining about carriers.. seriously..go back to training or just stop playing oo;;
IdrA is the biggest name in sc2, his fanclub has 7 million views
On August 11 2012 15:21 MaxViktory wrote: IdrA has such sick knowledge of timings and what scouting info means. When he talked while streaming it was amazing, so this should be too. Not saying it is worth 15$ though.
Ya its surprising that he doesn't post better results than he does. With his mechanics, game knowledge, experience and constant training. You would expect him to be making MLG pool play etc.
Bro people go through slumps and this happens to be one of them. He just has to find a way out of it. I mean he won the ASUS ROG last year so it's not like he hasnt won something in a LONG time. Give him a break, he will come out of it.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.com??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
I think you're splitting hairs. Hyperbole is a pretty common aspect of advertising. Subway calls itself a "restaurant" chain, would you call them liars for not calling themselves fast food? It's just an advertising tool. Most car companies say that their car is "the best in its class" or likewise... I'm pretty sure a Mercedes sedan is better than a Kia sedan, but Kia advertises itself as the best, doesn't make it true.
I'm not defending advertising methods, but I'm questioning your apparent rage at a company just following relatively standard industry standards for marketing and advertising. You might believe that SPG content isn't worth it, that's fine -- nobody is forcing you to purchase a subscription or watch content, but others might be interested.
You're right, a lot of companies say silly shit and nobody takes them seriously either. I guess I'm a bit more reserved when it happens in an industry I care about. Misleading esports noobs rubs me the wrong way.
I think it should be noted somewhere that his training series is geared towards high level players. If the 4 min intro video was any indication, players in low diamond and below won't get much out of this because there are a lot of concepts that just don't apply.
One example is that IdrA talks about paying attention to gas timings on the natural, but honestly if you're a gold level zerg you have no concept of gas timings and what it means for your build, so relying on that is silly and could easily cost you the game simply because the other player is just bad.
On August 13 2012 08:51 genius_man16 wrote: I think it should be noted somewhere that his training series is geared towards high level players. If the 4 min intro video was any indication, players in low diamond and below won't get much out of this because there are a lot of concepts that just don't apply.
One example is that IdrA talks about paying attention to gas timings on the natural, but honestly if you're a gold level zerg you have no concept of gas timings and what it means for your build, so relying on that is silly and could easily cost you the game simply because the other player is just bad.
I'd be more concerned about people making an argument that new customers should sign onto a subscription service because one of their favourite players is providing content when he/she tbh doesn't appear enthusiastic about doing it.
Has anyone seen the rest of idra's content and if so does this change?
Sounds like a great idea. Hope it works out. Would love to hear analysis from someone with a good commentating voice to complement their superb game knowledge, though you got iNcontroL on there, so that's good.
On August 13 2012 03:19 Notsober wrote: a guy like idra should be banned for his BM..why ppl like him..he was already hilarious on bw complaining about carriers.. seriously..go back to training or just stop playing oo;;
People should stop getting uptight if someone doesn't GG or when someone speaks their mind. Should we kick out every player that the community deems to have a bad personality? Stop letting his manners get in the way of the fact that he's actually a good teacher and good player. You should be warned for posting something off-topic. If you're going talk down about him talk about his skill and his ability as a teacher.
On August 13 2012 03:19 Notsober wrote: a guy like idra should be banned for his BM..why ppl like him..he was already hilarious on bw complaining about carriers.. seriously..go back to training or just stop playing oo;;
IdrA is the biggest name in sc2, his fanclub has 7 million views
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.com??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
I have to agree with you here. You can, for absolutely no fee at all, teach yourself the game up to a high master level quite easily if you dedicate some time to it. If you need someone to hold your hand and explain obvious things to you then you simply aren't good.
Even though Gretorp is not a pro player I would say his understanding of the game is at that level. I know nothing about Xeris.
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.com??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
Teamliquid.com?? Wtf is teamliquid.com? We are on Teamliquid.net bro.... think with over 3000 posts you would know how to get here by now....
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.com??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
Teamliquid.com?? Wtf is teamliquid.com? We are on Teamliquid.net bro.... think with over 3000 posts you would know how to get here by now....
The post count on most of the people in this thread is just wowzingly low - and frankly its reflected in the content of the posts.
Frankly I dont really care about instructional videos, but I can see that there is obviously a demand for these kind of services. Instructional videos has been big buisness for a long time, and have taught a huge number of people valuable life lessons. For instance:
On August 12 2012 10:59 epicdemic wrote: Did Gretorp and this "Xeris" ever compete professionally? (Xeris is not on Liquipedia) This website is deceiving...
lol this is pretty amusing. Post directly above you? Xeris.
On August 11 2012 07:52 DeepBlu2 wrote: Didn't this exact same thing happen like a year ago as I remember him and incontrol joining it a year ago? Is this just to remind people or is it because his contract got renewed? http://www.sixpoolgaming.com/pros/idra/ December 20, 2011
Interesting, either way, I now know Idra is part of SPG
I think this is a great idea, but my concern is the new content won't be consistent. I've joined similar websites in the past and always had a bad experience where the content would never be updated or if I posted in a blog, I would never get a response.
Price is great, Idea is great, hopefully execution will be great.
I think the younger skilled guys in this site that are in masters etc.. think everybody has that many time and are able to put in the hours and effort into their SC2 training like them..
Many people have children, girlfriends, work or simply don't have the skill and time to learn from themselves.. What is wrong with some pro tips? What's wrong with paying for a service that you want?
Why take the bus when you can walk? Why have a iphone when you can have a nokia for 20€? Why have a Levis pants and you can have pants for 5€ in the chinese store? Why have a gaming mouse when you can have one for 2€?
Maybe because it's easier, better, more confortable etc..
This is a service, if you want it you buy it, if you feel it's not worth your money and time just let it be for everyone that needs it..
On August 11 2012 08:02 crms wrote: $15 a month for content thats available literally EVERYWHERE for free? Seems shady. Listing Xeris and Gretorp as 'pro players' reinforces the disengenious feel I get from this site.
You realize I was a pro-player and still play quite a bit. At the same time, Duran is a big time recruiter and scouts like crazy so he has to know what is good and what's not. I think your statement is heavily misinformed and I hope you give the site a chance as all of us put a ton of time into it.
I know you were a former pro and I know who Xeris is. Neither of you are pro-gamers and to misrepresent your positions is in my opinion disengenious and sneaky. Why not give the descriptions you just gave me? Why lie and say you both are pro gamers?
Anyway, my opinion still stands that this content isn't worth $15/month. You can get accurate, detailed and functional content almost everywhere for free. I'm not sure what the appeal of this site is and what they think it offers that is so unique and worthwhile that people should pay subscription fees for it, but goodluck.
edit; went to the site again and listened to the intro podcast with yourself and the site owner. The owner goes into his background into poker and how there aren't any sites in starcraft or one single site to go to get accurate information for the community to learn (huge lie, teamliquid.com??) and then says he had the inspiration to create a site to accomplish those goals. Since you've been in the community for basically ever, you obviously know what he is saying is full of shit but go a long with it. Again, disengenuous, decietful etc. This is just a side project to milk the SC2 popularity to get people to pay for content they would otherwise get for free. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, get money. Just don't feed me bullshit.
I think you're splitting hairs. Hyperbole is a pretty common aspect of advertising. Subway calls itself a "restaurant" chain, would you call them liars for not calling themselves fast food? It's just an advertising tool. Most car companies say that their car is "the best in its class" or likewise... I'm pretty sure a Mercedes sedan is better than a Kia sedan, but Kia advertises itself as the best, doesn't make it true.
I'm not defending advertising methods, but I'm questioning your apparent rage at a company just following relatively standard industry standards for marketing and advertising. You might believe that SPG content isn't worth it, that's fine -- nobody is forcing you to purchase a subscription or watch content, but others might be interested.
When a restaurant says its the best the best it's legal, because everyone knows that "best" is subjective. So everyone knows it means nada (thats at least how the danish law functions). However, saying you are a pro is a direct lie.
This is a matter of principle, and this make the 6poolgaming seem shady.
On August 12 2012 02:25 GT3 wrote: I personally feel like Idra wouldn't be fit enough to do training videos with the stupid statements that have come out of his mouth, he's obviously going to slip in some bias in the videos, I think training videos should be done by like Stephano - MC/Kiwikaki/HuK - Thorzain/MMA/MVP/MKP
Thats nonsense. IdrA has always been very professional in casting and videos. He has insane game knowledge and expresses himself very good. You don't have to like him for his rage moments but bashing him and saying he'd do biased commentary is bullshit.
This. When he isn't playing his own games "in the moment," Idra is a reallllly good caster.
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