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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 04:50:41
January 21 2014 04:49 GMT
#19481
On January 21 2014 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
game 1 - opponent drops deathwing and completely wrecks all my momentum

but it's k cuz frost nova op


Why not stream?
ENTERTAIN ME

When I was working I only had a 40 min commute each way. Luckily not really any traffic where I am.
My dad used to have a 1.5 hour commute each way, and was working 16 hours/day some weeks when he was around my age though. ._.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 21 2014 06:34 GMT
#19482
On January 21 2014 13:49 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
game 1 - opponent drops deathwing and completely wrecks all my momentum

but it's k cuz frost nova op


Why not stream?
ENTERTAIN ME

When I was working I only had a 40 min commute each way. Luckily not really any traffic where I am.
My dad used to have a 1.5 hour commute each way, and was working 16 hours/day some weeks when he was around my age though. ._.

I was streaming BP...you missed it.
10 wins with that deck. Check stream thread.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 21 2014 06:46 GMT
#19483
For Wave
+ Show Spoiler +
So Kripp (aka the hunter) has two cards and a flametongue totem in play. Do not worry that he's playing seemingly three decks at once with those cards, they are merely placeholders. I made them gold for you since you like shiny things. In this first picture we see Kripp's board state, for purposes of simplicity I'm not showing his opponent, merely showing his board to demonstrate when your Canadian schooling has failed you.

[image loading]

So as you can see both minions would be benefiting from the flametongue totem as per the flametongue card. He sees them both getting the buff and assumes them in this order.
In reality, his board is bugged, only slightly, but bugged nonetheless. In the second picture you see the ACTUAL board as his opponent does and notice that in fact the order of his two cards besides flametongue are in fact reversed.

[image loading]

When Kripp is choosing to play his rocketeer, he is assuming that, although he knows his board is bugged, as long as he inserts the rocketeer either to the left of minion 1 (aka the Master of Stealth) or to the right of minion 2 (aka the Doomguard) his rocketeer will obtain the buff, thereby killing his opponent (not pictured).

[image loading]

Now, if we jump back into the eyes of our opponent, and observe the true board state, our hero Kripp is actually considering playing AROUND the flametongue totem buff and is making the fatal error that only a turbonewbie would make, as the final image depicts.

[image loading]

I hope I've taught you to see the light, my friend.

Sincerely yours, and everyone else's who just happen to be reading this thread,
Zdrastochye


Hope that clears things up.
Hey! How you doin'?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 06:50:50
January 21 2014 06:49 GMT
#19484
No, you're wrong.
The flametongue totem was off to the right next to like 2 other minions.
The buffed minions were next to each other.

Edit: I see what you're saying, but there was no way for Kripp to know if that was even the case. Technically the two buffed minions could in reality have been where the flametongue totem was and he should have put his card next to the totem rather than in between the minions.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 21 2014 06:51 GMT
#19485
It's not wrong. If it was wrong the rocketeer would have the buff.
Hey! How you doin'?
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 21 2014 07:03 GMT
#19486
On January 21 2014 15:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 13:49 BlackPaladin wrote:
On January 21 2014 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
game 1 - opponent drops deathwing and completely wrecks all my momentum

but it's k cuz frost nova op


Why not stream?
ENTERTAIN ME

When I was working I only had a 40 min commute each way. Luckily not really any traffic where I am.
My dad used to have a 1.5 hour commute each way, and was working 16 hours/day some weeks when he was around my age though. ._.

I was streaming BP...you missed it.
10 wins with that deck. Check stream thread.


it was when my internet was dead I think
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 07:31:36
January 21 2014 07:21 GMT
#19487
I've been thinking about the HS meta, and it's the rock, paper, scissors nature of it that makes grinding up post rank 5 so grindy and annoying. Basically there're fast decks (warlock, hunter), midrange decks (druid, shaman, rogue), and slow decks (pally, priest), and in general it's slow > midrange > fast > slow. Midrange out-trades fast decks, slow decks have bigger threats and more removal than midrange, and fast decks get within lethal too quickly for slow decks.

Because of this circular balance, the meta constantly shifts hour to hour to fight the most prevalent archetype in the past hour. What this means for the grinder is that he has to 1. notice the shift and try to counter it before others catch on. 2. have access to the decks necessary to counter and 3. be willing to play decks purely based on the meta. As you can see this system is not well suited for the casual with only 1 good deck or even a tryhard who prefers to just play one style.

I think this is a flaw because one cannot stick to the playstyle he enjoys and ladder optimal at the same time. In Magic, it is very common to have players (even professionals) who excel at playing his specialty. HS on the other hand seems to reward the opportunist who has access to all the cards and constantly monitors hourly meta shifts.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 21 2014 07:27 GMT
#19488
I've beaten plenty of fast decks with midrange. Midrange just needs decent draws and they typically run a lot of removal (including aoe) and deal with threats quickly. All you have to do is throw in cheap healing and the games are typically close but typically in my favor.
Hey! How you doin'?
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 07:36:37
January 21 2014 07:29 GMT
#19489
On January 21 2014 16:27 Zdrastochye wrote:
I've beaten plenty of fast decks with midrange. Midrange just needs decent draws and they typically run a lot of removal (including aoe) and deal with threats quickly. All you have to do is throw in cheap healing and the games are typically close but typically in my favor.

I agree. That's why I said midrange > fast.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 10:34:17
January 21 2014 10:34 GMT
#19490
new quest op
[image loading]
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 21 2014 12:11 GMT
#19491
On January 21 2014 15:46 Zdrastochye wrote:
For Wave
+ Show Spoiler +
So Kripp (aka the hunter) has two cards and a flametongue totem in play. Do not worry that he's playing seemingly three decks at once with those cards, they are merely placeholders. I made them gold for you since you like shiny things. In this first picture we see Kripp's board state, for purposes of simplicity I'm not showing his opponent, merely showing his board to demonstrate when your Canadian schooling has failed you.

[image loading]

So as you can see both minions would be benefiting from the flametongue totem as per the flametongue card. He sees them both getting the buff and assumes them in this order.
In reality, his board is bugged, only slightly, but bugged nonetheless. In the second picture you see the ACTUAL board as his opponent does and notice that in fact the order of his two cards besides flametongue are in fact reversed.

[image loading]

When Kripp is choosing to play his rocketeer, he is assuming that, although he knows his board is bugged, as long as he inserts the rocketeer either to the left of minion 1 (aka the Master of Stealth) or to the right of minion 2 (aka the Doomguard) his rocketeer will obtain the buff, thereby killing his opponent (not pictured).

[image loading]

Now, if we jump back into the eyes of our opponent, and observe the true board state, our hero Kripp is actually considering playing AROUND the flametongue totem buff and is making the fatal error that only a turbonewbie would make, as the final image depicts.

[image loading]

I hope I've taught you to see the light, my friend.

Sincerely yours, and everyone else's who just happen to be reading this thread,
Zdrastochye


Hope that clears things up.

But how can you know it's bugged, then?

Also Gerudo Valley symphonic version at work makes even css nitpicking bearable.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 14:23:17
January 21 2014 14:22 GMT
#19492
Went to continue my 4-0 mage run this morning while I was getting ready for work. Commence horror flashbacks to being sick or skipping school on a Tuesday and not being able to play WoW ~_~

In other news, I'm hating myself for enjoying this mage deck. I thought it would be terrible, but it's still running strong for me.

On January 21 2014 21:11 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 15:46 Zdrastochye wrote:
For Wave
+ Show Spoiler +
So Kripp (aka the hunter) has two cards and a flametongue totem in play. Do not worry that he's playing seemingly three decks at once with those cards, they are merely placeholders. I made them gold for you since you like shiny things. In this first picture we see Kripp's board state, for purposes of simplicity I'm not showing his opponent, merely showing his board to demonstrate when your Canadian schooling has failed you.

[image loading]

So as you can see both minions would be benefiting from the flametongue totem as per the flametongue card. He sees them both getting the buff and assumes them in this order.
In reality, his board is bugged, only slightly, but bugged nonetheless. In the second picture you see the ACTUAL board as his opponent does and notice that in fact the order of his two cards besides flametongue are in fact reversed.

[image loading]

When Kripp is choosing to play his rocketeer, he is assuming that, although he knows his board is bugged, as long as he inserts the rocketeer either to the left of minion 1 (aka the Master of Stealth) or to the right of minion 2 (aka the Doomguard) his rocketeer will obtain the buff, thereby killing his opponent (not pictured).

[image loading]

Now, if we jump back into the eyes of our opponent, and observe the true board state, our hero Kripp is actually considering playing AROUND the flametongue totem buff and is making the fatal error that only a turbonewbie would make, as the final image depicts.

[image loading]

I hope I've taught you to see the light, my friend.

Sincerely yours, and everyone else's who just happen to be reading this thread,
Zdrastochye


Hope that clears things up.

But how can you know it's bugged, then?

Also Gerudo Valley symphonic version at work makes even css nitpicking bearable.


The entire OoT symphonic sound track is amazing.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 21 2014 14:26 GMT
#19493
On January 21 2014 23:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Went to continue my 4-0 mage run this morning while I was getting ready for work. Commence horror flashbacks to being sick or skipping school on a Tuesday and not being able to play WoW ~_~

I had the exact same experience a few weeks ago lol.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 21 2014 14:32 GMT
#19494
oh hello -30 C back already I hardly had time to miss you.

I was playing shaman yesterday and a priest mass silenced all four of my totems. rip.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
January 21 2014 14:38 GMT
#19495
Use to do the same thing in ultima online. Get up early before school and PK people who were trying to do server up spawns in pvp areas. Easy pickings, they were sooo bad!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 21 2014 14:47 GMT
#19496
On January 21 2014 23:32 ComaDose wrote:
oh hello -30 C back already I hardly had time to miss you.


We have windchills of almost the same today in Mass (-17 F)
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
January 21 2014 14:53 GMT
#19497
You northerners need to get your weather shit together. It supposed to be a nice 70 degrees this time of year.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 21 2014 14:54 GMT
#19498
On January 21 2014 23:53 Cixah wrote:
You northerners need to get your weather shit together. It supposed to be a nice 70 degrees this time of year.


Git out.

Seriously Missouri gets 2~ inches of snow and there are accidents all over the highway as well as cancelled school. I'm not even exaggerating. It's insane.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-21 15:07:27
January 21 2014 15:06 GMT
#19499
On January 21 2014 23:53 Cixah wrote:
You northerners need to get your weather shit together. It supposed to be a nice 70 degrees this time of year.


We are, that's why it's cold and we're finally going to get another decent snow to ski on in the northeast. I'm going cross-country despite all of you being lame and only liking downhill.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 21 2014 15:08 GMT
#19500
Cross country are for people afraid of a little adrenaline rush.
Hey! How you doin'?
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