EPTVelen combo decks aren't really anything new, but Emperor changes them up significantly. He represents a significant turn 6 threat, allows Velen to sling more spells, and makes Malygos a viable backup-Velen. So long as 1 or 2 of your critical combo cards are in hand when Emperor is played you're good.
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Velen combo decks aren't really anything new, but Emperor changes them up significantly. He represents a significant turn 6 threat, allows Velen to sling more spells, and makes Malygos a viable backup-Velen. So long as 1 or 2 of your critical combo cards are in hand when Emperor is played you're good. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
And if they don't kill him then next turn you've got 21 damage minimum lololol | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 20 2015 21:41 Ketara wrote: I imagine he's really good for druid too because even if he's killed immediately you can FoN+Roar the next turn. So not only do you have to kill him, you probably have to clear the druids entire board. And if they don't kill him then next turn you've got 21 damage minimum lololol FoN double roar is the saddest thing ever edit - hey Jeff, what are your plans post high school, if you don't mind me asking. I saw that you're not planning on college, so I'm just curious. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On May 20 2015 21:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: FoN double roar is the saddest thing ever edit - hey Jeff, what are your plans post high school, if you don't mind me asking. I saw that you're not planning on college, so I'm just curious. Right now? Honestly it's basically fuck-all. My issue is there is almost nothing in the world that I'm interested in, and college life doesn't appeal to me. So basically the ideal situation is that I skip college, go out into the world, and find something I care about. At the same time, I'm pretty damn lazy, and I'm not sure if I could succeed without the structured environment that college gives. Although, to be fair, I'm largely lazy because I have no interest in any of the things I do >.> In case I do end up going to college, my plans aren't that ambitious. I don't do my homework, so I doubt I could go anywhere "big" anyways, but right now University of Washington, University of British Columbia, and University of Oregon all look nice and easy to get. UW only costs 12k per year for in-states, and that's without the musical scholarship that I could probably get. So if I go to college, UW will be my frontrunner. But again, it's all really quite nebulous at this point Q_Q | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Supposing it doesn't put you in huge debt. Before I went to college I spent a year soul searching and backpacking Europe though, would definitely recommend. We all know how that turned out for me. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Right now? Honestly it's basically fuck-all. My issue is there is almost nothing in the world that I'm interested in, and college life doesn't appeal to me. So basically the ideal situation is that I skip college, go out into the world, and find something I care about. At the same time, I'm pretty damn lazy, and I'm not sure if I could succeed without the structured environment that college gives. Although, to be fair, I'm largely lazy because I have no interest in any of the things I do >.> In case I do end up going to college, my plans aren't that ambitious. I don't do my homework, so I doubt I could go anywhere "big" anyways, but right now University of Washington, University of British Columbia, and University of Oregon all look nice and easy to get. UW only costs 12k per year for in-states, and that's without the musical scholarship that I could probably get. So if I go to college, UW will be my frontrunner. But again, it's all really quite nebulous at this point Q_Q Nah man, I totally get it. I also share a similar struggle of laziness and not being interested in things (I couldn't give two shits about the farm credit industry). I'm trying to improve on it though - planting some seeds and keeping an eye out to see if things develop, as well as getting on myself to stop being so lazy/apathetic. College isn't for everyone. My brother hated school growing up, and he tried college at the behest of my parents. He dropped out after a semester, did some freelance graphic design and tech support, and has now become quite successful with his music. But don't get complacent with doing nothing. You'll be very unhappy in 5 years if you don't find something to interest you. On May 20 2015 23:23 Ketara wrote: If you don't know what you want to do with your life, college is the ideal place to figure that out. Supposing it doesn't put you in huge debt. Before I went to college I spent a year soul searching and backpacking Europe though, would definitely recommend. We all know how that turned out for me. Ehhhhhhh, I don't know if I would say college is the ideal place to figure that out. It can be, certainly. I went into college undecided. I still have no fucking idea what I want to do with my life. But given with the current state of the American education system, having no end goal with college and coming out with crippling debt is...not ideal. Which isn't to say that you should know what you want to do right now. You're still young as fuck. But don't make that kind of long term self investment if you don't expect to get anything out of it. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
IMO, 2 years of community college, general studies AA. Not expensive, you can do your soul searching, if you figure out something you want and it requires a 4 year degree you transfer, if you don't you can stop there with a piece of paper that these days is just as useful as the 4 year degree anyway. Im a little biased towards college life because I'm lucky enough to never have to pay a dime for it. If you're in that kind of a situation its great, but there's definitely a strong argument that its not worth the debt in modern days. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The huge pushback against a 4 year college education that you see on random forums/Reddit/etc. right now is pretty laughable. "The college scam" is the easy target to scapegoat for your own inadequacies, since having a college degree is the equivalent of having a high school diploma ~50 years ago, if you don't have it you're severely limiting your own options. It really depends on what you want to do and whether or not that requires a college degree. If it does its worth going into debt. If it doesn't, there's a strong argument that its not worth it. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:34 Ketara wrote: It really depends on what you want to do and whether or not that requires a college degree. If it does its worth going into debt. If it doesn't, there's a strong argument that its not worth it. This superficially plausible stance gets flaunted all the time since it sets up the seemingly reasonable breakdown of sometimes it's worth it to go to college and sometimes it's not, but the reality is, the former scenario is magnitudes more common than the latter scenario. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The huge pushback against a 4 year college education that you see on random forums/Reddit/etc. right now is pretty laughable. "The college scam" is the easy target to scapegoat for your own inadequacies, since having a college degree is the equivalent of having a high school diploma ~50 years ago, if you don't have it you're severely limiting your own options. Sure, but trade schools are a perfectly viable alternative that many Americans are averse to entering because the general opinion is that they're perceived as "lesser" jobs. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sure, but trade schools are a perfectly viable alternative that many Americans are averse to entering because the general opinion is that they're perceived as "lesser" jobs. Sure, but that's on the assumption that you already know what you want to do. If you don't, like Ghandi doesn't seem to, killing a large chunk of your potential options by not going to college is a pretty questionable decision. My take on what Cheep is getting at is that while there are a number of professions that do not require a 4-year college diploma, at this point the number that do is sufficiently large that you are severely limiting your options if you aren't ruling all of those out from the start. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: This superficially plausible stance gets flaunted all the time since it sets up the seemingly reasonable breakdown of sometimes it's worth it to go to college and sometimes it's not, but the reality is, the former scenario is magnitudes more common than the latter scenario. I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just saying that the possibility of debt has to be a serious consideration for a new college goer now, which is a somewhat new development. Hell, I started college what, 10 years ago, and even back then debt wasn't seen as something that could potentially cripple your life. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On May 20 2015 20:26 Numy wrote: That's a bit of a fallacy though. A lot of the time in a control deck that cost reduction doesn't enable you to do something else. You just land up with unspent mana. Sure in the best case situations it can be really amazing but is it worth playing over a bigger board threat? In decks that rely on combo it's really amazing as it enables more stuff. It's a good card but I think people are going a bit crazy with him. Nonsense. Free executes and shield slams, and Thaurissan must always be removed, because if he's on the board for longer than 1 turn, it's usually GG. Thus, Thaurissan by his very nature is an extremely high board threat. Beyond which he has very little competition in the 6-slot department. Outside of Slyvanas, the only really good, non-tech 6-drops are class specific, Hunter (Highmane), Shield-Maiden (Warrior), Priest (Cabal), and Shaman (Fire Ele). One of those decks don't run Thaurissan (Hunter), the other sucks, but still runs it (Shaman), one class 6-drop is entirely tech (Priest) and still will run Thaurissan because -1 mana enables so much for priest, and warriors one runs it, because 0-mana shield slams and executes and -1 mana for other cards enables quite a lot of plays with a decent-sized hand, even in Control (in Patron he's vital). | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: Nah man, I totally get it. I also share a similar struggle of laziness and not being interested in things (I couldn't give two shits about the farm credit industry). I'm trying to improve on it though - planting some seeds and keeping an eye out to see if things develop, as well as getting on myself to stop being so lazy/apathetic. I see what you did there. The system is kinda set up to make it really easy for graduating seniors as opposed to people who took a break (as far as I can tell) so there's that. But I'd agree it's definitely worth it to take time and figure it out. I went into business because it's general and transferable enough but looking back I may have enjoyed something more specific (like chemical engineering etc) but it is what it is now  | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I didn't even see what I did there. Accidental puns woo! The system is kinda set up to make it really easy for graduating seniors as opposed to people who took a break (as far as I can tell) so there's that. But I'd agree it's definitely worth it to take time and figure it out. I went into business because it's general and transferable enough but looking back I may have enjoyed something more specific (like chemical engineering etc) but it is what it is now Same. In hindsight, I wish I had studied computer science. But c'est la vie. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: This superficially plausible stance gets flaunted all the time since it sets up the seemingly reasonable breakdown of sometimes it's worth it to go to college and sometimes it's not, but the reality is, the former scenario is magnitudes more common than the latter scenario. I'd be interested if there were any organized study supporting this. My personal experience is biased by people who went into STEM which overwhelmingly necessitates a college diploma (and often more) to get anywhere professionally so anecdotally, I don't have enough experience to pass judgment. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Wheres my boy JonGalt to back me up on that one. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:57 TheYango wrote: I'd be interested if there were any organized study supporting this. My personal experience is biased by people who went into STEM which overwhelmingly necessitates a college diploma (and often more) to get anywhere professionally so anecdotally, I don't have enough experience to pass judgment. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/02/11/bachelors-degrees-lead-employment-and-more-training Possibly a slightly biased source, but it does link to quite a few different studies/reports/etc. that are either tangentially related or directly related to the topic at hand. In any case backlash against "the college scam" and the four-year degree is nothing new, it regularly rears its head but has never led to anything in the past because while a possibly compelling narrative, it is not based in any sort of reality. Of course I could be mistaken here since I have no first-hand experience in most other countries, but it seems like only in America is the validity of college regularly questioned, whereas it's essentially taken for granted everywhere else that a college degree is the correct choice the vast majority of the time. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 20 2015 23:54 Lord Tolkien wrote: Nonsense. Free executes and shield slams, and Thaurissan must always be removed, because if he's on the board for longer than 1 turn, it's usually GG. Thus, Thaurissan by his very nature is an extremely high board threat. Beyond which he has very little competition in the 6-slot department. Outside of Slyvanas, the only really good, non-tech 6-drops are class specific, Hunter (Highmane), Shield-Maiden (Warrior), Priest (Cabal), and Shaman (Fire Ele). One of those decks don't run Thaurissan (Hunter), the other sucks, but still runs it (Shaman), one class 6-drop is entirely tech (Priest) and still will run Thaurissan because -1 mana enables so much for priest, and warriors one runs it, because 0-mana shield slams and executes and -1 mana for other cards enables quite a lot of plays with a decent-sized hand, even in Control (in Patron he's vital). What situations do free executes/slams matter? Sure it's nice having them being free but most of the time I find it doesn't matter if they free. All that happens is you are left over with unspent mana. The 6 mana slot isn't something warrior needs to fill with Slyv/shieldmadien. Throwing in a Emp means you have to cut something else out of the deck .Everything you run is a huge threat so you have to decide if your other threats are worth cutting for Emp. I don't think that's as easy as choice as you and others are making it seem. It sounds amazing "free mana!" but in practical terms most of the time it's just unspent mana. | ||
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