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On May 19 2015 04:57 Eppa! wrote:
I don't really understand why JRPGs punish you for a party member dying. Let me use my pawns to their fullest instead of forcing me to reload so I don't fall behind.
I liked the mechanic in FFT at least. It effectively created alternative loss conditions in combat that made things more complicated, and there were some creative uses of the mechanic as well.
But I don't play Hardcore Diablo for a reason.
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It's a real bitch to set up though (and I don't mean the software, I mean selecting the army then positioning it, although you can prob save army lists).
I'm not against 40k Frudgey, just didn't have the opportunity to play because few people pulled through when they discussed it in high school, still got 1k points of Necrons (which would be shit by now because new Codex, and also new units with new, different models if you don't wanna be shit), with up to another 1k unpainted/asssembled if I wanted. All at my parents.
I like reading battle reports and stuff like that when they're done well (like in White Dwarf, which I subscribed to for a year iirc), playing itself is really time-consuming. The lore, well, Req would talk about the books which I didn't read, and the codexes have a mix of interesting setup, corny lore, and shitty "how to be bad at pretending this faction is the strongest in the universe".
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On May 19 2015 04:53 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 04:49 Requizen wrote:On May 19 2015 04:46 Cixah wrote:On May 19 2015 04:16 Requizen wrote:On May 19 2015 03:54 Cixah wrote:
Req,
Some of these 40k armies are less expensive than standard decks be played with for a single ptq. This hobby seems to be cheaper in the long run, but much more expensive on start up. Yeah, there's a big startup cost involved in 40k, which scares a lot of people off. Starting an army can be pretty expensive, depending on what you need. "Horde" armies like Orks, or certain builds of Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Tyranids, need to buy boxes and boxes of little guys to field. "Elite" armies, like Grey Knights, Deathwing DA, Imperial Knights, or Wraith Eldar, have a relatively small startup cost since, while each box or model is expensive, you need relatively few of them to hit your desired points limit. However, there are other costs for startup as well. Paints, for example, depending on how many you buy and where you buy them from, can add up, plus brushes/palette/etc. You can source those much cheaper from other hobby stores and sellers, the GW ones are overpriced. However, the Citadel paint lines, while expensive, are the best I've used and I haven't found anything as good as their technical paints for blood, rust, or fading. But yeah. I buy some new paints every once in a while, or some basing materials, but for the most part I haven't bought any since my initial purchase and I don't bulk buy them. I buy a new model once in a while, but other than the Forge World purchases at Adepticon, I haven't made a big one in quite some time. Unless you're the type to finish an army and immediately start building a new one, there's little continual cost associated with 40k. You're not buying a booster pack every week, or paying a monthly fee. If you just build your list and go to a club or something, it stops being a cost after a while. You might eventually build up to $1k+ if you want to build it out - for example, I have about 4000-5000 points of Necrons so I can choose what I want to bring and it's not always the same army, but some people have had the same models for years and get the same amount of enjoyment out of using them. How much money you put into it is up to you and your enjoyment level. I see. The part that's bugging me the most right now is that I can max out a 1k army on points but my 1850 one only goes up to 1849 because numbers of some costs arent even. It bothers the ever living shit out of me. Do you have any vehicles in that list? Spotlights are only 1pt =] Just the nephilim jetfighter which doesn't seem to have that option?
Ah yeah, flyers generally don't have the option.
On May 19 2015 05:32 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 05:23 Frudgey wrote:
Cixah what kind of 40K army did you go for?
Personally I'm hoping you went Imperial Guard or Chaos. I have a feeling you already said what you got but I think I completely ignored you.
My apologies. Originally wanted to go space marines but the store didn't have a new codex for me to grab so I grabbed the one with the glowy sword on it. DAs are really cool to me, the bikes plus having terminator suits and being able to just be like, "hi I'm deploying in your side of the map now." Seems really strong.
Rumor is Space Marines might be getting a new codex next month. Probably for the best you didn't.
hello
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On May 19 2015 05:45 Alaric wrote:
It's a real bitch to set up though (and I don't mean the software, I mean selecting the army then positioning it, although you can prob save army lists).
I'm not against 40k Frudgey, just didn't have the opportunity to play because few people pulled through when they discussed it in high school, still got 1k points of Necrons (which would be shit by now because new Codex, and also new units with new, different models if you don't wanna be shit), with up to another 1k unpainted/asssembled if I wanted. All at my parents.
I like reading battle reports and stuff like that when they're done well (like in White Dwarf, which I subscribed to for a year iirc), playing itself is really time-consuming. The lore, well, Req would talk about the books which I didn't read, and the codexes have a mix of interesting setup, corny lore, and shitty "how to be bad at pretending this faction is the strongest in the universe".
The books always range from shitty writing to holy crap awesome depending on the author and subjects.
The overall lore is fun though. Raven Guard/Raptors for life if I played Imperials.
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I've been reading the Night Lords Omnibus and I think it's great. Mind you I don't have an eye for quality reading so it might not be as good as I make it out to be.
I've also always enjoyed the Ciaphas Cain novels. I love them.
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So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing.
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On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing.
Argh.
That concept.
Makes my brain ache.
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There are other means to see how much information one retains and how one is able to apply that information. Those are not always viable (based on time constraints mostly), but sometimes work quite well. For instance for academic work letters of recommendation and samples are way better indicators than test results.
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On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing.
Not all testing has to be standardized. But that would likely require educators to actually be respected by and compensated similarly to other professionals which they unfortunately aren't
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On May 19 2015 06:08 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing. Not all testing has to be standardized. But that would likely require educators to actually be respected by and compensated similarly to other professionals which they unfortunately aren't
I strongly disagree and don't understand where you're coming from or what logic you're using. Testing has to be standardized so you can compare apples to apples.
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On May 19 2015 06:18 Sonnington wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:08 Requizen wrote:On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing. Not all testing has to be standardized. But that would likely require educators to actually be respected by and compensated similarly to other professionals which they unfortunately aren't I strongly disagree and don't understand where you're coming from or what logic you're using. Testing has to be standardized so you can compare apples to apples.
All standardized testing does in my book is measure how good you are at absorbing and regurgitating information before completely forgetting it within the year. I did pretty well on mine and I never felt that my scores actually reflected my intelligence. Just because I'm good at taking tests doesnt mean shit.
But yeah I guess it's great for just seeing who is better at test taking. That's totally practical skills once you graduate.
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On May 19 2015 04:48 Alaric wrote:Fucking killerdoge. If you get trashed again let me play against you or Scip so I can give some input about you styles.  (If you wanna be a dick Patchouli es numero uno for spamming though.) I like how when faced with complaints about spamming, Scip goes from Reisen to the character with the worst bullet coverage but the best corner pressure in the game. Well, she has a bullet-deflecting move by default, but killerdoge never uses projectiles so whatever. She's got a melee counter as an alternate though, much better vs Remilia.
I'd like to point out that alaric just got his chance to play vs scip.
His "input about my style" is going 1-14 in rounds to scip, where i was going about 4-10
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he's just trying to show you clearly how that style doesn't work
what a selfless hero
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On May 19 2015 05:43 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 04:57 Eppa! wrote:
I don't really understand why JRPGs punish you for a party member dying. Let me use my pawns to their fullest instead of forcing me to reload so I don't fall behind. I liked the mechanic in FFT at least. It effectively created alternative loss conditions in combat that made things more complicated, and there were some creative uses of the mechanic as well. But I don't play Hardcore Diablo for a reason.
i love permadeath characters
adds a massive adrenaline rush every time something almost dies
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On May 19 2015 06:18 Sonnington wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:08 Requizen wrote:On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing. Not all testing has to be standardized. But that would likely require educators to actually be respected by and compensated similarly to other professionals which they unfortunately aren't I strongly disagree and don't understand where you're coming from or what logic you're using. Testing has to be standardized so you can compare apples to apples.
It's more like, wtf is the point of testing people every single year.
You take exams after highschool to grade your ability, so universities know who to accept, and so you can compare students to see which is "better" at what. That I get.
What on earth is the point of testing students every single year so some weird standardised rubric? What does that possibly accomplish that teachers shouldn't be capable of on their own?
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it's just typical usa
decided that standardized testing was what they wanted to do and to one-up the dirty communist countries they had to have at least 10 times the test amount anybody else has for no fucking reason except MURRICA
real talk tho i blame scandinavia with their PISA bullshit
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On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing.
it's not so much "anti-testing", so much as "better" testing. whatever the fuck that means.
On May 19 2015 06:27 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:18 Sonnington wrote:On May 19 2015 06:08 Requizen wrote:On May 19 2015 06:01 Sonnington wrote:
So there's an antitesting movement going on. That's pretty scary to imagine people don't think it's important to test. Is it not important to see how much information one retains and how they're able to apply that information? This is actually rather distressing. Not all testing has to be standardized. But that would likely require educators to actually be respected by and compensated similarly to other professionals which they unfortunately aren't I strongly disagree and don't understand where you're coming from or what logic you're using. Testing has to be standardized so you can compare apples to apples. All standardized testing does in my book is measure how good you are at absorbing and regurgitating information before completely forgetting it within the year. I did pretty well on mine and I never felt that my scores actually reflected my intelligence. Just because I'm good at taking tests doesnt mean shit. But yeah I guess it's great for just seeing who is better at test taking. That's totally practical skills once you graduate.
the ability to memorize and apply information is a pretty good indicator.
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On May 19 2015 06:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
it's just typical usa
decided that standardized testing was what they wanted to do and to one-up the dirty communist countries they had to have at least 10 times the test amount anybody else has for no fucking reason except MURRICA
real talk tho i blame scandinavia with their PISA bullshit
The problem was getting the private sector involved.
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On May 19 2015 06:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
it's just typical usa
decided that standardized testing was what they wanted to do and to one-up the dirty communist countries they had to have at least 10 times the test amount anybody else has for no fucking reason except MURRICA
real talk tho i blame scandinavia with their PISA bullshit
Exams you take in denmark
Afgangsproeve, when you finish grade nine. This is basically unfailable, and has zero influence one which highschool you go to, let alone anything after that. It's just a piece of paper to prove you're done with mandatory schooling and can get a job etc.
Highschool exams. Your grade from each of these gets averaged out into a number, and university applications are judged almost solely on which person has the highest number.
That's it, why on earth would you ever need more exams then those two?
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Standardized testing, the quickest way to make sure your classes are now about standardized testing rather then learning the subjects in the classes you signed up for. Even more so when funding is tied to these testings which it often is.
I have vivid memories of a biology teacher going over math I was likely to see on a state wide standardized test rather then you know biology. Or my personal favorite was having lessons skipped entirely due to not having the time because we had to go over standardized testing and what we were likely to see in said tests. I know for a fact this still goes on and I'd note I was in the 8th largest school district in the nation.
Standardized testing is one of the many cancers killing actual education and it's not gotten better from my understanding. The entire education system has gotten worse over the years and while it'd be silly to lay all of the blame on standardized testing it sure as hell hasn't made US schools better.
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