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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 18 2015 19:16 GMT
#100581
On May 19 2015 03:54 Cixah wrote:
Req,

Some of these 40k armies are less expensive than standard decks be played with for a single ptq. This hobby seems to be cheaper in the long run, but much more expensive on start up.


Yeah, there's a big startup cost involved in 40k, which scares a lot of people off. Starting an army can be pretty expensive, depending on what you need. "Horde" armies like Orks, or certain builds of Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Tyranids, need to buy boxes and boxes of little guys to field. "Elite" armies, like Grey Knights, Deathwing DA, Imperial Knights, or Wraith Eldar, have a relatively small startup cost since, while each box or model is expensive, you need relatively few of them to hit your desired points limit. 

However, there are other costs for startup as well. Paints, for example, depending on how many you buy and where you buy them from, can add up, plus brushes/palette/etc. You can source those much cheaper from other hobby stores and sellers, the GW ones are overpriced. However, the Citadel paint lines, while expensive, are the best I've used and I haven't found anything as good as their technical paints for blood, rust, or fading. 

But yeah. I buy some new paints every once in a while, or some basing materials, but for the most part I haven't bought any since my initial purchase and I don't bulk buy them. I buy a new model once in a while, but other than the Forge World purchases at Adepticon, I haven't made a big one in quite some time. 

Unless you're the type to finish an army and immediately start building a new one, there's little continual cost associated with 40k. You're not buying a booster pack every week, or paying a monthly fee. If you just build your list and go to a club or something, it stops being a cost after a while. You might eventually build up to $1k+ if you want to build it out - for example, I have about 4000-5000 points of Necrons so I can choose what I want to bring and it's not always the same army, but some people have had the same models for years and get the same amount of enjoyment out of using them. How much money you put into it is up to you and your enjoyment level. 
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 18 2015 19:25 GMT
#100582
that feeling when you can't for the life of you remember your voicemail password...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 18 2015 19:36 GMT
#100583
On May 19 2015 04:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
that feeling when you can't for the life of you remember your voicemail password...

12345
It's your boy Guzma!
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 18 2015 19:37 GMT
#100584
http://www.twitch.tv/ismellpeanuts
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 18 2015 19:40 GMT
#100585
I'm not sure how the educational/professional world would function without testing. Could testing as we know it currently be improved? Certainly. There will always be a need for "testing" in the general sense though, so if you take away the exams and whatnot that have been criticized here today, something will have to take their place.

Also I think that the mass memorization tests serve an important function in the medical field, so I could be a bit biased.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 18 2015 19:46 GMT
#100586
On May 19 2015 04:16 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 03:54 Cixah wrote:
Req,

Some of these 40k armies are less expensive than standard decks be played with for a single ptq. This hobby seems to be cheaper in the long run, but much more expensive on start up.


Yeah, there's a big startup cost involved in 40k, which scares a lot of people off. Starting an army can be pretty expensive, depending on what you need. "Horde" armies like Orks, or certain builds of Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Tyranids, need to buy boxes and boxes of little guys to field. "Elite" armies, like Grey Knights, Deathwing DA, Imperial Knights, or Wraith Eldar, have a relatively small startup cost since, while each box or model is expensive, you need relatively few of them to hit your desired points limit. 

However, there are other costs for startup as well. Paints, for example, depending on how many you buy and where you buy them from, can add up, plus brushes/palette/etc. You can source those much cheaper from other hobby stores and sellers, the GW ones are overpriced. However, the Citadel paint lines, while expensive, are the best I've used and I haven't found anything as good as their technical paints for blood, rust, or fading. 

But yeah. I buy some new paints every once in a while, or some basing materials, but for the most part I haven't bought any since my initial purchase and I don't bulk buy them. I buy a new model once in a while, but other than the Forge World purchases at Adepticon, I haven't made a big one in quite some time. 

Unless you're the type to finish an army and immediately start building a new one, there's little continual cost associated with 40k. You're not buying a booster pack every week, or paying a monthly fee. If you just build your list and go to a club or something, it stops being a cost after a while. You might eventually build up to $1k+ if you want to build it out - for example, I have about 4000-5000 points of Necrons so I can choose what I want to bring and it's not always the same army, but some people have had the same models for years and get the same amount of enjoyment out of using them. How much money you put into it is up to you and your enjoyment level. 


I see. The part that's bugging me the most right now is that I can max out a 1k army on points but my 1850 one only goes up to 1849 because numbers of some costs arent even. It bothers the ever living shit out of me.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-18 19:55:57
May 18 2015 19:48 GMT
#100587
Fucking killerdoge. If you get trashed again let me play against you or Scip so I can give some input about you styles.
(If you wanna be a dick Patchouli es numero uno for spamming though.)

I like how when faced with complaints about spamming, Scip goes from Reisen to the character with the worst bullet coverage but the best corner pressure in the game.
Well, she has a bullet-deflecting move by default, but killerdoge never uses projectiles so whatever. She's got a melee counter as an alternate though, much better vs Remilia.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 18 2015 19:49 GMT
#100588
On May 19 2015 04:46 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 04:16 Requizen wrote:
On May 19 2015 03:54 Cixah wrote:
Req,

Some of these 40k armies are less expensive than standard decks be played with for a single ptq. This hobby seems to be cheaper in the long run, but much more expensive on start up.


Yeah, there's a big startup cost involved in 40k, which scares a lot of people off. Starting an army can be pretty expensive, depending on what you need. "Horde" armies like Orks, or certain builds of Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Tyranids, need to buy boxes and boxes of little guys to field. "Elite" armies, like Grey Knights, Deathwing DA, Imperial Knights, or Wraith Eldar, have a relatively small startup cost since, while each box or model is expensive, you need relatively few of them to hit your desired points limit. 

However, there are other costs for startup as well. Paints, for example, depending on how many you buy and where you buy them from, can add up, plus brushes/palette/etc. You can source those much cheaper from other hobby stores and sellers, the GW ones are overpriced. However, the Citadel paint lines, while expensive, are the best I've used and I haven't found anything as good as their technical paints for blood, rust, or fading. 

But yeah. I buy some new paints every once in a while, or some basing materials, but for the most part I haven't bought any since my initial purchase and I don't bulk buy them. I buy a new model once in a while, but other than the Forge World purchases at Adepticon, I haven't made a big one in quite some time. 

Unless you're the type to finish an army and immediately start building a new one, there's little continual cost associated with 40k. You're not buying a booster pack every week, or paying a monthly fee. If you just build your list and go to a club or something, it stops being a cost after a while. You might eventually build up to $1k+ if you want to build it out - for example, I have about 4000-5000 points of Necrons so I can choose what I want to bring and it's not always the same army, but some people have had the same models for years and get the same amount of enjoyment out of using them. How much money you put into it is up to you and your enjoyment level. 


I see. The part that's bugging me the most right now is that I can max out a 1k army on points but my 1850 one only goes up to 1849 because numbers of some costs arent even. It bothers the ever living shit out of me.

Do you have any vehicles in that list? Spotlights are only 1pt =]
It's your boy Guzma!
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 18 2015 19:53 GMT
#100589
On May 19 2015 04:49 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 04:46 Cixah wrote:
On May 19 2015 04:16 Requizen wrote:
On May 19 2015 03:54 Cixah wrote:
Req,

Some of these 40k armies are less expensive than standard decks be played with for a single ptq. This hobby seems to be cheaper in the long run, but much more expensive on start up.


Yeah, there's a big startup cost involved in 40k, which scares a lot of people off. Starting an army can be pretty expensive, depending on what you need. "Horde" armies like Orks, or certain builds of Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Tyranids, need to buy boxes and boxes of little guys to field. "Elite" armies, like Grey Knights, Deathwing DA, Imperial Knights, or Wraith Eldar, have a relatively small startup cost since, while each box or model is expensive, you need relatively few of them to hit your desired points limit. 

However, there are other costs for startup as well. Paints, for example, depending on how many you buy and where you buy them from, can add up, plus brushes/palette/etc. You can source those much cheaper from other hobby stores and sellers, the GW ones are overpriced. However, the Citadel paint lines, while expensive, are the best I've used and I haven't found anything as good as their technical paints for blood, rust, or fading. 

But yeah. I buy some new paints every once in a while, or some basing materials, but for the most part I haven't bought any since my initial purchase and I don't bulk buy them. I buy a new model once in a while, but other than the Forge World purchases at Adepticon, I haven't made a big one in quite some time. 

Unless you're the type to finish an army and immediately start building a new one, there's little continual cost associated with 40k. You're not buying a booster pack every week, or paying a monthly fee. If you just build your list and go to a club or something, it stops being a cost after a while. You might eventually build up to $1k+ if you want to build it out - for example, I have about 4000-5000 points of Necrons so I can choose what I want to bring and it's not always the same army, but some people have had the same models for years and get the same amount of enjoyment out of using them. How much money you put into it is up to you and your enjoyment level. 


I see. The part that's bugging me the most right now is that I can max out a 1k army on points but my 1850 one only goes up to 1849 because numbers of some costs arent even. It bothers the ever living shit out of me.

Do you have any vehicles in that list? Spotlights are only 1pt =]


Just the nephilim jetfighter which doesn't seem to have that option?
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
May 18 2015 19:57 GMT
#100590
I don't really understand why JRPGs punish you for a party member dying. Let me use my pawns to their fullest instead of forcing me to reload so I don't fall behind.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 18 2015 19:58 GMT
#100591
On May 19 2015 04:57 Eppa! wrote:
I don't really understand why JRPGs punish you for a party member dying. Let me use my pawns to their fullest instead of forcing me to reload so I don't fall behind.


Plot armor my dear eppa. Plot armor.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
May 18 2015 20:23 GMT
#100592
Cixah what kind of 40K army did you go for?

Personally I'm hoping you went Imperial Guard or Chaos. I have a feeling you already said what you got but I think I completely ignored you.

My apologies.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 18 2015 20:26 GMT
#100593
Dark Angels. He wants green bikers to shoot oversized guns at his opponent before beating them with chainsaw-swords.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
May 18 2015 20:29 GMT
#100594
On May 19 2015 05:26 Alaric wrote:
Dark Angels. He wants green bikers to shoot oversized guns at his opponent before beating them with chainsaw-swords.

Alaric you make it sound like that would be a bad thing.

Do you even like 40K? Something tells me you like 40K like Soniv likes Mondays.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 18 2015 20:31 GMT
#100595
On May 19 2015 05:29 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 05:26 Alaric wrote:
Dark Angels. He wants green bikers to shoot oversized guns at his opponent before beating them with chainsaw-swords.

Alaric you make it sound like that would be a bad thing.

Do you even like 40K? Something tells me you like 40K like Soniv likes Mondays.


WAAAAAGH

I'm getting better about Mondays. In general, I'm just trying to get better about my outlook on things, but Mondays are included in that I guess
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 18 2015 20:32 GMT
#100596
On May 19 2015 05:23 Frudgey wrote:
Cixah what kind of 40K army did you go for?

Personally I'm hoping you went Imperial Guard or Chaos. I have a feeling you already said what you got but I think I completely ignored you.

My apologies.


Originally wanted to go space marines but the store didn't have a new codex for me to grab so I grabbed the one with the glowy sword on it. DAs are really cool to me, the bikes plus having terminator suits and being able to just be like, "hi I'm deploying in your side of the map now." Seems really strong.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-18 20:33:59
May 18 2015 20:33 GMT
#100597
On May 19 2015 05:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 05:29 Frudgey wrote:
On May 19 2015 05:26 Alaric wrote:
Dark Angels. He wants green bikers to shoot oversized guns at his opponent before beating them with chainsaw-swords.

Alaric you make it sound like that would be a bad thing.

Do you even like 40K? Something tells me you like 40K like Soniv likes Mondays.


WAAAAAGH

I'm getting better about Mondays. In general, I'm just trying to get better about my outlook on things, but Mondays are included in that I guess


It's true you didn't complain about Monday today. You're making pretty good progress.

Problem is that I know I can poke fun at you because you can take it. I'd tease other people but I'm not sure how'd it go.

Of course, I don't see myself not making fun of you for disliking Mondays any time soon.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 18 2015 20:33 GMT
#100598
My dad got my brothers and me some knock-off prepainted 40K game a long time ago. We were probably too young to really get into it but it was cool to play against each other. I'd do it if it wasn't plastic crack. Gimme 40K cockatrice plz
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 18 2015 20:38 GMT
#100599
On May 19 2015 05:33 mordek wrote:
Gimme 40K cockatrice plz

As Req mentioned a while back, there's VASSAL for that.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 18 2015 20:42 GMT
#100600
On May 19 2015 05:38 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 05:33 mordek wrote:
Gimme 40K cockatrice plz

As Req mentioned a while back, there's VASSAL for that.

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Warhammer_40,000
If you would like to see a module of this game made available please contact the Copyright Holder(s) to change their policy

So I need to get my salty dog on?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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