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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On May 19 2015 02:48 wei2coolman wrote: I still don't see the problem with standardized testing, it's just implemented pretty poorly. The problem is that when it comes to standardized testing and money, the focus shifts away from helping the students. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 19 2015 02:55 Gahlo wrote: The problem is that when it comes to standardized testing and money, the focus shifts away from helping the students. I mean, I guess the problem is that full standardized testing doesn't help at all because it's always population focused, that means you're always screwing over 50% of the population for not being "above average". But, as far as using testing to determine a student's ability, I don't see it being that bad of a thing. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
Jesus, Mary and Joseph Stalin that's horrible. The only standardized tests I had during my entire school career from 4 to 18 years old were 2. One at the end of primary school and then exams at the end of high school. Also it should be criminal for these tests to be confidential. I wouldn't sign the form. Not in a thousand years. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
GRE - garbage SAT - garbage SAT subject test - pretty good GRE subject test - pretty good AP - too varied, some are OK some are garbo. Suffers from confused pool of test takers/goals/motivations/designs. ACT - better than SAT MCAT - not bad IB - not bad, though to some extent suffers from same issue as AP. More consistent though. Big difference between HL and SL. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
SAT is too easy, GRE is weird because it gets harder the better you do so this is insanely high subjective. I prefer SAT to ACT, but they're pretty much equivalent imo. DAT is cool cuz it has a spacial visual section | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:02 Doctorbeat wrote: Jesus, Mary and Joseph Stalin that's horrible. The only standardized tests I had during my entire school career from 4 to 18 years old were 2. One at the end of primary school and then exams at the end of high school. Also it should be criminal for these tests to be confidential. I wouldn't sign the form. Not in a thousand years. Yeah, back when I was in highschool I only had a singular state run test every year. The horror stories I've heard from teachers about these tests... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
http://static.examenblad.nl/9336108/d/ex2008/800025-1-019o.pdf I remember really hating the proof stuff. Those last two especially were annoying. Prove AE = CD and ASE is a straight angle. Oh god I just looked at my Latin exam. Don't understand anything anymore hahahha. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 19 2015 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Not the same thing at all. You blind supering is not the same thing as trying to hit a 1-2 frame timing in order to continue a combo. The fact that you think it is blind supering speaks volumes. Every time I catch you on an aerial approach is 100% reactionary (it's also really not hard because your default approach is jump back, air dash forward sex kick, rinse repeat - very easy to punish). When I catch you on a low kick, it is most often a hard read. Again, you're very predictable - you will often go for a low kick while I'm in recovery from a HK/HP. You're starting to change it up though, which is why you'll see me whiff a Daisy Pusher after you block. I think the biggest thing you're struggling with right now is that I'm getting better at switching up my play to get past your defenses (which easily leads into a full combo) faster than you're able to adapt to my play. I'm also starting to learn a lot of the cool tricks she has. Which isn't to say Squiggles isn't bullshit - she's got so many options to adapt to the flow of play. But yeah, I've been saying for a while that there are better ways to do her combo - I need more basic hits before silver chord because it scales my damage to all hell. I'm just not sure of the correct sequence of moves and stance cancels. Once I learn that, you'll be crying even more. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: The fact that you think it is blind supering speaks volumes. Every time I catch you on an aerial approach is 100% reactionary (it's also really not hard because your default approach is jump back, air dash forward sex kick, rinse repeat - very easy to punish). When I catch you on a low kick, it is most often a hard read. Again, you're very predictable - you will often go for a low kick while I'm in recovery from a HK/HP. You're starting to change it up though, which is why you'll see me whiff a Daisy Pusher after you block. I think the biggest thing you're struggling with right now is that I'm getting better at switching up my play to get past your defenses (which easily leads into a full combo) faster than you're able to adapt to my play. I'm also starting to learn a lot of the cool tricks she has. Which isn't to say Squiggles isn't bullshit - she's got so many options to adapt to the flow of play. But yeah, I've been saying for a while that there are better ways to do her combo - I need more basic hits before silver chord because it scales my damage to all hell. I'm just not sure of the correct sequence of moves and stance cancels. Once I learn that, you'll be crying even more. #exposed | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Sheep's authoritative evaluations of standardized testing, based on first-hand experience: GRE - garbage SAT - garbage SAT subject test - pretty good GRE subject test - pretty good AP - too varied, some are OK some are garbo. Suffers from confused pool of test takers/goals/motivations/designs. ACT - better than SAT MCAT - not bad IB - not bad, though to some extent suffers from same issue as AP. More consistent though. Big difference between HL and SL. You took the MCAT? Why? | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
If I did that at my job I'd be fired in seconds. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 19 2015 02:55 wei2coolman wrote: imo SAT/ACT/MCAT/GRE/DAT/AP testing etc etc. all do a good job. The problem people have about standardized testing is because standardized testing is always based on curves, and because of the nature of how percentiles, and natural curves work. Majority of people feel screwed over by standardized tests. Well if you watched the video, you'd realize that standardized testing from college admission forward is actually not at all what John Oliver is discussing. On May 19 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote: I guess I lucked out in regards to teachers, I think I probably only had like 2 teachers who cared about the end of the year standardized testing. Not liked it matter, most of it was a joke, 90+percentile was a joke to achieve. You're Asian don't pretend that your family would find that good enough, lol. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: The fact that you think it is blind supering speaks volumes. Every time I catch you on an aerial approach is 100% reactionary (it's also really not hard because your default approach is jump back, air dash forward sex kick, rinse repeat - very easy to punish). When I catch you on a low kick, it is most often a hard read. Again, you're very predictable - you will often go for a low kick while I'm in recovery from a HK/HP. You're starting to change it up though, which is why you'll see me whiff a Daisy Pusher after you block. I think the biggest thing you're struggling with right now is that I'm getting better at switching up my play to get past your defenses (which easily leads into a full combo) faster than you're able to adapt to my play. I'm also starting to learn a lot of the cool tricks she has. Which isn't to say Squiggles isn't bullshit - she's got so many options to adapt to the flow of play. But yeah, I've been saying for a while that there are better ways to do her combo - I need more basic hits before silver chord because it scales my damage to all hell. I'm just not sure of the correct sequence of moves and stance cancels. Once I learn that, you'll be crying even more. I must be at a portapotty convention because all I see is Johns | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:22 TheYango wrote: Well if you watched the video, you'd realize that standardized testing from college admission forward is actually not at all what John Oliver is discussing. You're Asian don't pretend that your family would find that good enough, lol. My parents were surprisingly flippant about my grades. I think they banked their future on my older brother which aced through everything. Thus letting me be the spoiled younger child who constantly disappoints. :D Still bugs the shit out of me that there were very little options for overachieving youngsters in the public school system. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:23 Requizen wrote: I must be at a portapotty convention because all I see is Johns HAH In my (now somewhat well-rounded) experience, I found the ACT to be far easier and more accomadating than the SAT. However, I took the ACT in a nice, air conditioned room at the UW in 7th grade, and I took the SAT in a flaming heat-box of a classroom at South Seattle Community College about 3-4 weeks ago, so I don't know how much I can tell. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 19 2015 03:02 Doctorbeat wrote: Jesus, Mary and Joseph Stalin that's horrible. The only standardized tests I had during my entire school career from 4 to 18 years old were 2. One at the end of primary school and then exams at the end of high school. Also it should be criminal for these tests to be confidential. I wouldn't sign the form. Not in a thousand years. By far the best moment from that video is if you pause the video when the question sheet pops up when they talk about the passage with the talking pineapple and actually read the questions and answer choices. On May 19 2015 03:26 wei2coolman wrote: Still bugs the shit out of me that there were very little options for overachieving youngsters in the public school system. There are, it's just very inconsistent from state to state and school district to school district. BTW, that reminds me, can someone from Massachusetts explain to me what the deal is with charter schools in Mass? My cousin was complaining about the and I actually have no clue wtf she's talking about. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 19 2015 02:55 wei2coolman wrote: imo SAT/ACT/MCAT/GRE/DAT/AP testing etc etc. all do a good job. The problem people have about standardized testing is because standardized testing is always based on curves, and because of the nature of how percentiles, and natural curves work. Majority of people feel screwed over by standardized tests. I have a few problems with standardized testing and how I think they do a poor job. - They shift the focus of education: Education should be about learning and growth. What happens with the prevalence with standardized testing is that instead of that the focus of education is on passing/doing well in the test. It's all about that that test/exam and nothing about the actual individuals growth. -Aptitude in an exam does not equate to Aptitude in the field: I'm sure anyone that's done group project work has first hand experience in this phenomenon. Doing well in the test doesn't mean you can do well applying the knowledge outside the test. A test is setup so you know exactly what it's going to test, each question is neat and fits perfectly into a narrative. Doing work outside of that test isn't like that. You have to know figure out what knowledge you need to apply and how to apply it. I've dealt with countless people throughout my time at uni that are absolutely terrible at doing any kind of project work but excel in testing. This is the reverse of what we need from our education. - Real life has resources: This may be a bit iffy to people that don't deal with lots of engineering/science type degrees but keep with me. When working post schooling you aren't required to memorize countless formula and apply those formula. Firstly there are far too many too remember and secondly they are far too specific to rely on your memory alone. Every engineering firm I've been to has had at least one copy of Perry's Handbook in the office. Yet we test people based on their ability to remember and apply these equations. It doesn't make sense. That's not testing their fundamental understanding of the concepts or ability to solve a real problem, that's testing their ability to remember what equation to use. - People learn at different rates: This is more an issue at school I felt than Varsity. People don't always learn the same material at the same rate. Some people struggle on certain sections but then find other sections easy. One class may be able to complete far more material than another but currently that serves no purpose as they all get tested the same. Sure we attempt to solve that issue by creating specialized sub-classes with advanced material but that's more a bandaid. The same problem just occurs in there and then you make a new sub-class to try correct it etc. etc. The best form of testing I've had is in one of my Mass Transfers modules. What the prof did was we would have weekly tut sessions and then at the end have a short 30 minute test. There were 10 tuts in total and together the tests counted 5%. So it had almost no weight on your grade. Instead the tests were about personally seeing if you knew what was going on in that given week. You'd go into that test not thinking "I need to score high" but instead "lets see if I know what's going on". A bad score on the test would just mean I'd know exactly where I need to go over again. Having said all that I think that tests can still be useful depending on the type of material being studied. I think they have a place in our education. What I do hate is how it seems we apply this to every sphere of education when it just isn't applicable. I don't know the solution to the problems I have with the system and I think even if there were solutions they would require both radical change and huge sums of money. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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