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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 06 2015 16:34 GMT
#98621
This just makes me wish Melee was just on Steam xD
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 16:35:43
May 06 2015 16:35 GMT
#98622
On May 07 2015 01:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Just look at the sponsors - Smash has people like Alliance, C9, TSM. EG is, afaik, the only tier 1 sponsor for other fighting games. I can't think of any other sponsors that are comparable to these in scale.

So you're assuming that bigger orgs give better contracts? Because I'm not inclined to believe so based on history of sponsorships in FGC.

Also, Complexity used to sponsor marvel and sf players, so did Dignitas, EG sponsors 5 sf players, MCZ sponsors lots of players, Liquid has one, Razer has few, Avermedia has one, Hori has one, and then there are several grassroots organisations (such as Brokentier, PIE and CTRL to name more successful ones).

What hour are you playing SG?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 06 2015 16:35 GMT
#98623
I mean, there's Dolphin netplay but people tell me that's shit enough to not really be worth it.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 06 2015 16:37 GMT
#98624
On May 07 2015 01:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 01:15 Seuss wrote:
This page is the sort of thing I find when I try to search for that information myself, and at face value it looks like Melee actually trails SF4 and MvC3.

That's a ridiculously lopsided comparison because Evo isn't even close to Smash's biggest event of the year and in general the payout for Smash is dispersed over many more smaller events that happen more frequently than SF4's or MvC3's.

http://i.imgur.com/xcmvv8Y.png

"not even close"

There are 2-3 SF4/MvC3 events every month, are Smash tournaments literally every week?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 06 2015 16:37 GMT
#98625
On May 07 2015 01:35 AlterKot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 01:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Just look at the sponsors - Smash has people like Alliance, C9, TSM. EG is, afaik, the only tier 1 sponsor for other fighting games. I can't think of any other sponsors that are comparable to these in scale.

So you're assuming that bigger orgs give better contracts? Because I'm not inclined to believe so based on history of sponsorships in FGC.

Also, Complexity used to sponsor marvel and sf players, so did Dignitas, EG sponsors 5 sf players, MCZ sponsors lots of players, Liquid has one, Razer has few, Avermedia has one, Hori has one, and then there are several grassroots organisations (such as Brokentier, PIE and CTRL to name more successful ones).

What hour are you playing SG?

Tonight I'll actually likely be home earlier than usual so we can start around 7 est maybe? Depends on soniv and who else is playing too.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 06 2015 16:46 GMT
#98626
On May 07 2015 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

This fascinates me a little because it sort of flies in the face of everything I've experienced. Why is this the case for you?


I'm not sure, I haven't actually thought about it before. Off the cuff Melee's action is less interesting, and I think it's probably a combination of a lot of subtle things. I am reminded of Every Frame a Painting's video on Jackie Chan, and in that context Melee is to fight scenes in American cinema as SF4 is to Hong Kong's.

On May 07 2015 01:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 01:15 Seuss wrote:
This page is the sort of thing I find when I try to search for that information myself, and at face value it looks like Melee actually trails SF4 and MvC3.

That's a ridiculously lopsided comparison because Evo isn't even close to Smash's biggest event of the year and in general the payout for Smash is dispersed over many more smaller events that happen more frequently than SF4's or MvC3's.

If you compare the total amount of tournament prize money each year from those 3 games, Smash is pretty close to SF4's and is way more when you consider that half of SF4's money comes from Capcom Cup, which is from the developer themselves (Nintendo is not as invested in Esports and so doesn't do the same for Smash--it'd be like saying DotA 2 was bigger than LoL in 2011 just because of The International). MvC3 doesn't even come anywhere close.


Which is exactly why I'm asking the people who know what they're talking about. I don't know squat and I don't expect to become an expert just because I can put "melee sf4 sponsorship money" into google.

But I'm a little skeptical of the assertions being made because they conflict with my own experience, and there are other potential explanations. For example, sponsors may prefer Melee not because it's more popular but because it's more stable (as evidenced by 15 years of relevance). Without more detailed information it's hard for me to accept these explanations offhand.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 06 2015 16:48 GMT
#98627
On May 07 2015 01:35 TheYango wrote:
I mean, there's Dolphin netplay but people tell me that's shit enough to not really be worth it.

I've heard it's okay. Still a higher barrier to entry than a game on steam ha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 06 2015 16:51 GMT
#98628
On May 07 2015 01:37 AlterKot wrote:
There are 2-3 SF4/MvC3 events every month, are Smash tournaments literally every week?

My understanding is that yes, this is the case.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 16:57:34
May 06 2015 16:54 GMT
#98629
On May 07 2015 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alaric you're playing tonight right?

You mean when it'll be 4 AM my time with me becoming physically dysfunctional around 2 AM for the whole week?
Edit: that'll teach me not to check new page. 7 EST is something like 11 PM so I guess I'll be able to hang around for one or two hours if I don't have something else at that point.

And if my comp doesn't freeze again, it did that thrice to me while launching LoL yesterday.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 06 2015 16:57 GMT
#98630
Imo the biggest reason we see all these big "esports" sponsors in Melee and only half of them in SF is because there was a big boom on Melee thanks to Evo and doc, whereas fighting games are still growing steadily and organically first and foremost. Quite frankly, there just aren't many unsponsored SF/Marvel top players - that's why Crs/Liquid had to go for a rising star like NuckleDu, because it's not like in Melee where all the "gods" were unsponsored.

Note - it's not necessarily my own opinion, but one I agree with.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 06 2015 16:59 GMT
#98631
Speaking of internet games, would anyone be intersted in learning/playing 40k on the internet? There's a program called VASSAL that lets you play tabletop games online and it has a Warhammer 40k module. From what I hear it can be a bit finnicky but is overall not bad. I know the startup cost is scary but the game is fun and I'd love to teach it to anyone interested.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 06 2015 17:00 GMT
#98632
On May 07 2015 01:59 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of internet games, would anyone be intersted in learning/playing 40k on the internet? There's a program called VASSAL that lets you play tabletop games online and it has a Warhammer 40k module. From what I hear it can be a bit finnicky but is overall not bad. I know the startup cost is scary but the game is fun and I'd love to teach it to anyone interested.


Yes but I don't have time for all the things I want to be doing right now, and I'm not going to start spending money on 40k
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 06 2015 17:02 GMT
#98633
On May 07 2015 02:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 01:59 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of internet games, would anyone be intersted in learning/playing 40k on the internet? There's a program called VASSAL that lets you play tabletop games online and it has a Warhammer 40k module. From what I hear it can be a bit finnicky but is overall not bad. I know the startup cost is scary but the game is fun and I'd love to teach it to anyone interested.


Yes but I don't have time for all the things I want to be doing right now, and I'm not going to start spending money on 40k

Sorry if it wasn't clear, VASSAL is free and doesn't require models, it's just a simulation program.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 06 2015 17:03 GMT
#98634
You don't need money at all. You need time and patience though. I realised that as much as stuff like battle reports and theory and the likes are things I can enjoy, I'm just not ready to regularly spend 3 hours for a single game.
(I do have a bunch of necron models taking the dust at my parents'. Not sure if I'll finish painting them one day.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 06 2015 17:05 GMT
#98635
On May 07 2015 02:02 Requizen wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear, VASSAL is free and doesn't require models, it's just a simulation program.

VASSAL may be free, but codices are still annoyingly expensive for something I'm not convincingly interested in.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 06 2015 17:06 GMT
#98636
On May 07 2015 02:03 Alaric wrote:
You don't need money at all. You need time and patience though. I realised that as much as stuff like battle reports and theory and the likes are things I can enjoy, I'm just not ready to regularly spend 3 hours for a single game.
(I do have a bunch of necron models taking the dust at my parents'. Not sure if I'll finish painting them one day.)

Depends on the size. 500 point games are small and can finish in an hour or so (a bit longer for new people who are still learning). Me and the other people at my FLGS can run a 1500 game in about 2.5 hours depending on what armies and how long setup takes.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 06 2015 17:07 GMT
#98637
On May 07 2015 02:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 02:02 Requizen wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear, VASSAL is free and doesn't require models, it's just a simulation program.

VASSAL may be free, but codices are still annoyingly expensive for something I'm not convincingly interested in.

Anyone can PM me and I can show you where to yarrrr
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 06 2015 17:08 GMT
#98638
On May 07 2015 02:02 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 02:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 07 2015 01:59 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of internet games, would anyone be intersted in learning/playing 40k on the internet? There's a program called VASSAL that lets you play tabletop games online and it has a Warhammer 40k module. From what I hear it can be a bit finnicky but is overall not bad. I know the startup cost is scary but the game is fun and I'd love to teach it to anyone interested.


Yes but I don't have time for all the things I want to be doing right now, and I'm not going to start spending money on 40k

Sorry if it wasn't clear, VASSAL is free and doesn't require models, it's just a simulation program.


First point still stands, but I'll keep it in mind.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 06 2015 17:28 GMT
#98639
Lol. Edg almost getting robbed is hilarious.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 06 2015 17:58 GMT
#98640
On May 07 2015 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 02:05 TheYango wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:02 Requizen wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear, VASSAL is free and doesn't require models, it's just a simulation program.

VASSAL may be free, but codices are still annoyingly expensive for something I'm not convincingly interested in.

Anyone can PM me and I can show you where to yarrrr

Weren't you supposed to be trying SG as well?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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