EPTRealistically if I'd known we were going to play so passive I would have done GP10 yellows as well, because I did NOT have enough gold going into the midgame.
Unfortunately I don't have enough rune pages to specialize any more on supports.
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Ketara
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Realistically if I'd known we were going to play so passive I would have done GP10 yellows as well, because I did NOT have enough gold going into the midgame. Unfortunately I don't have enough rune pages to specialize any more on supports. | ||
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Umasi
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gp10 quince are pretty much non-negotiable imo, but you HAVE to take armor yellows. Throw on armor reds too because why the hell not | ||
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Ketara
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So even on a support where you want lots of regen like Sona, you should start with the faerie charm, buy Sightstone, and then finish Philo second. Also interesting is that Ruby Sightstone is actually less efficient in terms of GP10 per gold spent than a Sightstone is. Sightstone+Philo is more efficient than rushing Ruby Sightstone. | ||
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zer0das
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On August 19 2013 06:52 Ketara wrote:So even on a support where you want lots of regen like Sona, you should start with the faerie charm, buy Sightstone, and then finish Philo second. In general this is how a lot of people think, but I don't really buy this. If you go philo first you can buy nothing but pink wards and completely deny the enemy vision. They're not going to be able buy as many pink wards if they have sight stone, so all of the gp/10 it provides is effectively useless (or less worthwhile because their wards don't cover the spots they want them to). Although a lot of teams respond to this by getting a jungler to start buying pinks. Then I just get a super early oracles and its like thanks for buying an item that has now effectively become my gp/10 item when I kill all your wards. Or you just have no vision. Either way, a win for my team. I agree the combat stats aren't as good on philostone so its risky, but if you get away with it, you've established vision superiority without too much extra effort and generally the enemy support gets pretty poor trying to buy enough pinks to counteract your pinks (generally a losing battle for them). Also, the enemy jungler and support hate your guts, and I feel like that's worth something. | ||
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Ketara
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Correct me if I'm wrong but in LCS now if the enemy jungler is Eve the support doesn't buy Sightstone for a long time, they just get Philo and mass pinks. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Same cost, spirit gives 14/7 while philo gives 7/9. Trade the extra monster damage bonus (could help with 2x golems or dragon) for 5gp10. The extra hp5 seems potentially useful on supports like Leona, and getting a kindlegem and building it into a SotAG seems like a pretty nice alternative to building a Shurleyas. | ||
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Pooshlmer
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Goal is not to feed. | ||
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On August 19 2013 06:51 Umasi wrote: my runepage on leona is armor reds/yellows gp10 quince MR blues gp10 quince are pretty much non-negotiable imo, but you HAVE to take armor yellows. Throw on armor reds too because why the hell not Be careful about terms like "non-negotiable." Gp10 quints may have been the standard a while ago but nowadays more and more people are no longer using them in favor of stats that will help them win the lane more. Leona is actually a perfect example as most pros now run her with health and/or armor quints so they can go ham even harder and get gp10 via getting kills/assists in lane (thus the common usage of ignite). In general in the current meta I think gp10 runes should only be run when you know your lane will just be afk farm fest for days without many kill opportunities (common in caitlyn lanes), andin that circumstance you shouldn't be picking an aggressive support like leona, as a more defensive support will help provide more safety for your adc to farm (such as janna, lulu, sona, soraka, etc) | ||
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Roffles
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Things I want to stress if possible: This is not solo queue. You are not playing alone. Communicate with your team and don't fall into the TSM trap of bad guy Reginald calling the shots and you being Xpecial and not doing it because you think it's a dumb idea. If you don't think it's a good idea, speak up and say why. If your team still doesn't believe you, then do what they say. It's better to have everyone on the same page than have one person doing their own thing. They might not always be right, but it's better to have 5 people doing baron instead of 4 people doing baron and one doing dragon. Anyways, 9 PM EST in channel Neo Feeds if anyone's down for it again tonight. Going to do a M/W/S/Su schedule for all those interested. I might not always be there, but I'm hoping others can fill in if I'm not. | ||
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On August 20 2013 05:29 sylverfyre wrote: 9pm EST so late! West coast best coast. @_@ | ||
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Roffles
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Chose 9 PM EST so that people on the West Coast could participate at a more reasonable time. 9 sucks for east coast, but it still allows for people to get a couple in for the night. | ||
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